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will this hurt the rear axle

redrocket1468

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93 limited 4in.sus3in.bod
i was thinking about welding the rear spyder gears will this put to much strain on the drivetrain and axles and is it hard to maneuver while offroad
 



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Its fine for off road but will eat tires while in town. It will probably also make the vehicle very dangerous when it rains/snows.
 






Its fine for off road but will eat tires while in town. It will probably also make the vehicle very dangerous when it rains/snows.

i live in south carolina so the snow wont be an issue what does it do in the rain
 






Well it will induce fishtail when turning.
 






that will definately not be a good thing

but off road the axles will hold up ok
 






I drove mine for 18 months on the street welded. Just need to use your brain when driving. I had LTB's on so no more wear on the rear then the front. Keep your foot out of it while turning sharp. If you hit the throttle while turning you will chirp the tires.

If welded properly, it will be stronger then stock. The cross pin will only hold the shaft in the right position. While with a drop in locker or a mini spool the cross pin takes all the force.
 






I drove mine for 18 months on the street welded. Just need to use your brain when driving. I had LTB's on so no more wear on the rear then the front. Keep your foot out of it while turning sharp. If you hit the throttle while turning you will chirp the tires.

If welded properly, it will be stronger then stock. The cross pin will only hold the shaft in the right position. While with a drop in locker or a mini spool the cross pin takes all the force.
i was thinking of going to 35s will it still be ok with the 4.56s and welded
 






456 and 35's will be on the low side of power. But as for welding YEP no problems.
 






When you weld them - remember to leave a space so you can remove the c clips. I had a friend thast had the bright idea of welding 1/4" plates in between the spider gears on a dana 28- - super strong-- but then he needed to remove the axles one day.... we still laugh about that. The gear need to be pretty hot and you need a good welder (110v need not apply). Some people heat them up with a torch first.
 






Welding is fine -- in essence it just creates a cheap, do-it-yourself spool that locks both sides of the differential together permanently.

Don't try the "fozzie locker" setup advocated by some (leaving some travel in the spider gears before they hit the weld spots). That is just plain stupid. If the spider gears can't spin all the way, they will just start spinning, gain momentum, then snap something. Better to be solidly anchored from the start.

The drivability issues have already been noted. What happens here is the inside tire in a corner needs to spin at a different rate than the outside tire due to the fact that the circumference of the arc of travel for each tire is a different length. Normally, something in the differential unlocks and allows each tire to rotate at a different speed to make up for this different amount of travel, allowing one tire to spin faster if need be. When both sides are totally locked together, one tire MUST drag going around EVERY corner, no matter how fast or slow you take it. If you hit the throttle at the same time one tire is dragging, you will probably break traction on both, and with both spinning, you WILL slip sideways. This is magnified on wet or slippery roads. So, while you have double the traction going forward, you also have half (or less) the traction in corners once the other tire breaks loose. Once welded, there is no remedy for this except to change out the entire carrier.

Otherwise, welding works well off-road. It is cheap, doable at home, and effective.

As far as the actual procedure... Start by CLEANING all the metal parts as good as you can. I usually use brake clean spray. MAKE SURE that you give the brake clean adequate time to dry before laying on the weld, or you will have a nasty little fireball pointed right at your face.

Second step is to pre-heat the parts with a torch. They should be warmed up to just under dull-red. Then, using a good grade of rod (I like to use US FORGE "Steel" or "Problem Solver" rods with stick welders) start to weld each side gear to its mate, and if you want, the side gears to the carrier also (strongest, but ruins the carrier). Make sure that you can still pull the center pin so that you can get the axle shafts out, and also, as mentioned above, that you don't weld the C-clips in. It doesn't take THAT much weld to make a successful job. Just locking the side gears together will suffice to make it into a "Lincoln locker."
 






thank you everyone for your input i appreciate it very much and will take all points into consideration
 






It won't hurt the axle if done properly, but after running a NoSlip in my Explorer and a welded rear in my Toyota I would never recomend a welded diff in a daily driver. Sure you can drive with a welded diff but IMHO the drawbacks far outweigh the price of a locker. Unless you have no other choice, save the money and buy a lunch box locker, you'll be far happier in the end.
 






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