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The company Headquarters is here in Ottawa. I wonder if I could just drive down there with any issues in the new system? :D

Peter
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From the article:

"When General Motors introduced the first Chevrolet MyLink and Buick/GMC Intellilink systems in 2011, they were all powered by QNX running on Panasonic hardware".

Big fan of Panasonic, though the Pioneer in my Saab works great.

Not sure who Ford currently uses for hardware, but Panasonic or Pioneer would both be solid.

I'd just be concerned Blackberry will exist as a company in a few years, but perhaps they can make it focusing on products other than cell phones.
 






Thank god, maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

To be honest Im little concerned about the stability of Blackberry, but its still better.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140222/BIZ/302220033/

From this article,

"Twenty-two percent of problems in last year’s J.D. Power study dealt with audio, entertainment and navigation systems [for Ford]."

I'm pretty tech savvy, and maybe it is only b/c I have had the luxury of only experiencing MFT 3.6.2, but I don't see a problem with MFT and SYNC. Also being tech savvy, I am not overwhelmed by the technology. Works fine for me - though I can see some people would be overwhelmed by it.

As far as Nav goes, I never use any built in Nav in a car. I have yet to find one that is adequate regardless of auto maker. I bypass car Nav's and use Google maps off my smartphone streamed over Bluetooth for turn-by-turn with the phone mounted where I can see the map.

Nothing touches Google maps. When my phone is hooked up to Bluetooth I can do it by voice - "Navigate 123 Smith Road", and boom, I'm on my way with turn-by-turn through the car speakers and boy is Google maps exact on car location and up do date with roads - and when I arrive at my location it shows me a picture of it on my cell phone via Google Street View so I know I am at the right home/building without having to find a number on it.
 






Yes your right you were lucky to jump in at v3.6.2

Some of us suffered the pain since 2011, and v3.6.2 was the first version to provide some relief. I think your right most of the 22% is likely early adopters like a few of us.

While the early MFT software deserved a beatdown, when Consumer Reports hammered it I think a large % of that 22% just chimed in regardless of their personal experience. I don't find CR to be the bastion of unbiased reporting so I typically wont base my opinions on their reviews.

The big issue for me was stability, it was non existent, you literally couldn't use anything in your vehicle sometimes. i.e. Owners in hot climates having A/C shut off while driving with their family.

Secondly, there was functionality promised that simply didn't materialize. AppLink being the most talked about, but some other basic features too.

I hope since Audi and BMW use Blackberry QNX its going to provide Ford IVT some opportunities to enhance future features in our existing hardware.
 






Yes your right you were lucky to jump in at v3.6.2

Some of us suffered the pain since 2011, and v3.6.2 was the first version to provide some relief. I think your right most of the 22% is likely early adopters like a few of us.

While the early MFT software deserved a beatdown, when Consumer Reports hammered it I think a large % of that 22% just chimed in regardless of their personal experience. I don't find CR to be the bastion of unbiased reporting so I typically wont base my opinions on their reviews.

The big issue for me was stability, it was non existent, you literally couldn't use anything in your vehicle sometimes. i.e. Owners in hot climates having A/C shut off while driving with their family.

Secondly, there was functionality promised that simply didn't materialize. AppLink being the most talked about, but some other basic features too.

I hope since Audi and BMW use Blackberry QNX its going to provide Ford IVT some opportunities to enhance future features in our existing hardware.

I hope so too, but honestly, I have not seen the need to use apps on the car's system.

I always have my smartphone mounted right next to the car screen (Panavise makes great mounts and mine is now seamlessly mounted right next to the MFT and slides in and out of its holder in a synch) so any app I want I just use off my cell - like I mentioned above with Google Maps/Nav or Pandora for music.

The below shows how it works. Can't find a pic of the exact Ex dash.

I took the silver plastic molding off to the right of the MFT, unscrew two screws that holding the MFT housing over it, screw the Panavise mount in the top screw, reassemble, and screw the phone holder to the mount pictured.

Took me about 30 minutes. Now that I know how to do it, can do it in 15.

http://www.amazon.com/Panavise-inDash-Mount-2011-2013-751072811/dp/B00CMAPO6G

Phone holder:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PanaVise-Po...AMPS-plate-T-slot-adapter-black-/281107855553

But hey, I'm all for Ford upgrading to something better, and especially if it is an upgrade for existing Microsoft MFT users who can do a download via USB.
 






Thank god, maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Unlikely this will help existing owners. It's unlikely that any major change in car OS is going to be retrofitted into older models. it will probably only apply just for new models, going forward from whenever a change is made. I can't say I'm a MS fan (in general... the old computer joke for MS has always been to reboot and try it again.. but I never thought that would apply to a car!), but I'm not sure Blackberry is going to be the best alternative either. But since my wife's new Beemer is coming in, in a week or two, I'll let you know what I think of it's onboard system when I get a chance to work with it first hand.
 






Unlikely this will help existing owners. It's unlikely that any major change in car OS is going to be retrofitted into older models. it will probably only apply just for new models, going forward from whenever a change is made. I can't say I'm a MS fan (in general... the old computer joke for MS has always been to reboot and try it again.. but I never thought that would apply to a car!), but I'm not sure Blackberry is going to be the best alternative either. But since my wife's new Beemer is coming in, in a week or two, I'll let you know what I think of it's onboard system when I get a chance to work with it first hand.

I agree that it's highly unlikely that Ford would put the effort or money into existing vehicles. I don't think there's a single company that would be inclined to do so. Still, I hope QNX has a better way of conducting software change processes - the existing one leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. Good luck with the BMW - I hope you don't end up with the litany of problems I had with mine. Beautiful car but a durability beast. Best of luck!
 






This refers to Sync. Wonder if they will also include MFT?

Would be nice if whatever they get, if it is an improvement, is backwards compatible with the current APIM
 






Unlikely this will help existing owners. It's unlikely that any major change in car OS is going to be retrofitted into older models. it will probably only apply just for new models, going forward from whenever a change is made. I can't say I'm a MS fan (in general... the old computer joke for MS has always been to reboot and try it again.. but I never thought that would apply to a car!), but I'm not sure Blackberry is going to be the best alternative either. But since my wife's new Beemer is coming in, in a week or two, I'll let you know what I think of it's onboard system when I get a chance to work with it first hand.

That would be great. Would love to hear a comparison. And to be fair, while the SYNC software has been upgraded, the MFT hardware would date to 2010. If you can find out easily enough, let us know the year the hardware came out for the BMW.
 






This is exactly why I would never buy a car with all this electronic garbage integrated into the other systems. The idea that a computer crash would kill your a/c is just preposterous.
Now, all of you that bought into this stuff up till now? Prepare to have your still "buggy" and not really fixed "infotainment" crap be completely abandoned by Ford. The second your warranty is up, you'll be an orphaned red-headed step-child to them. As I've said in previous posts, you'll start seeing cars/vehicles wind up in the junkyard, long before they are mechanically worn out, simply because their tightly integrated "infotainment" and other electronic systems are no longer supported by anybody, and will have become unrepairable.

Imagine, 10 years from now, your a/c stops working. The compressor is fine ( even if it wasn't, replacements are available). None of the lines are leaking,etc... All mechanical aspects of the system are fine. But, that vehicle may never have functioning a/c again, because the problem is in a dead or malfunctioning MFT/SYNC system, for which there is no support, and no replacements available.

I can deal with occasionally having to reboot my pc, after it crashes while I'm surfing the web. The idea of having to re-boot fairly important vehicle systems unexpectedly? Well, that is preposterous. All this crap doesn't belong in a car; at least not so tightly integrated. Keep the radio/navigation/entertainment stuff completely isolated, functionally and electronically, form the rest of the vehicle, and make sure it is "modular" and easily replaceable, or even removable, without crippling other functions (like door locks, a/c, etc..)
 






This is exactly why I would never buy a car with all this electronic garbage integrated into the other systems. The idea that a computer crash would kill your a/c is just preposterous.
Now, all of you that bought into this stuff up till now? Prepare to have your still "buggy" and not really fixed "infotainment" crap be completely abandoned by Ford. The second your warranty is up, you'll be an orphaned red-headed step-child to them. As I've said in previous posts, you'll start seeing cars/vehicles wind up in the junkyard, long before they are mechanically worn out, simply because their tightly integrated "infotainment" and other electronic systems are no longer supported by anybody, and will have become unrepairable.

Imagine, 10 years from now, your a/c stops working. The compressor is fine ( even if it wasn't, replacements are available). None of the lines are leaking,etc... All mechanical aspects of the system are fine. But, that vehicle may never have functioning a/c again, because the problem is in a dead or malfunctioning MFT/SYNC system, for which there is no support, and no replacements available.

I can deal with occasionally having to reboot my pc, after it crashes while I'm surfing the web. The idea of having to re-boot fairly important vehicle systems unexpectedly? Well, that is preposterous. All this crap doesn't belong in a car; at least not so tightly integrated. Keep the radio/navigation/entertainment stuff completely isolated, functionally and electronically, form the rest of the vehicle, and make sure it is "modular" and easily replaceable, or even removable, without crippling other functions (like door locks, a/c, etc..)
I think that you are being a little over dramatic here. Many manufacturers are moving in the same direction as Ford. Also I doubt that Ford would abandon or be allowed to simply abandon their system. Many programs are replaced every year. Windows XP is about to be abandoned by Microsoft but they have supplied avenues to upgrade to a supported platform. Ford is also introducing more functions controlled by actual knobs and I believe Climate Control is one of them.

Peter
 






Ford Planning to Drop Microsoft for BlackBerry

Done deal.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-22/ford-said-to-swap-blackberry-s-qnx-for-microsoft-in-sync-system.html

Ford Planning to Drop Microsoft for BlackBerry in Its Car Technology System
By Craig Trudell and Jeff Green 2014-02-24T14:57:38Z
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Ford Dropping Microsoft in Sync Is `Overdue': Noble

Ford Motor Co. (F), struggling with in-car technology flaws, will base the next-generation Sync system on BlackBerry Ltd. (BBRY)’s QNX and no longer use Microsoft (MSFT) Corp.’s Windows, according to people briefed on the matter.

Using QNX will be less expensive than licensing Microsoft technology and will improve the flexibility and speed of the next Sync system, the people, who asked not to be identified because the decision hasn’t been made public, said Feb. 22. Ford has more than 7 million vehicles on the road with Sync using Microsoft voice-activated software to make mobile-phone calls and play music.

Related: BlackBerry Shares Rise as Ford Said to Pick QNX Over Microsoft

The switch may help Ford, the second-largest U.S. automaker, address customer complaints about malfunctioning technology systems and touch screens that have hurt it in surveys by J.D. Power & Associates and Consumer Reports. For BlackBerry, it’s a vote of support for a company that lost 95 percent of its value from mid-2008 to November and saw the collapse of a proposed $4.7 billion buyout.

“This would be a huge infusion of trust and confidence to have BlackBerry and QNX expanding into a Ford,” Thilo Koslowski, auto analyst for researcher Gartner Inc. in Santa Clara, California, said yesterday. “This is really the crown jewel in BlackBerry’s crown and could make the rest of the company shine as well.”
Photographer: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg

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Shares Climb

BlackBerry rose 6.6 percent to $9.74 at 9:55 a.m. in New York. Microsoft fell less than 1 percent to $37.85. Ford gained less than 1 percent to $15.20.

Since becoming BlackBerry’s CEO on Nov. 4, John Chen cited software such as QNX and the BlackBerry Messenger service as assets he will look to capitalize on. Predecessor Thorsten Heins spoke often during his tenure for the potential of QNX to play a role in machine-to-machine settings such as cars interacting with parking meters.

Dearborn, Michigan-based Ford has said the quality of its vehicles has been “mixed” each of the past three years and fell short of its plan to improve those results in 2013. CEO Alan Mulally was said to be a candidate to become Microsoft’s chief until early this year,

Improving Sync is crucial for Ford to draw car shoppers who are increasingly looking to be connected at all times. In-vehicle technology is the top selling point for 39 percent of auto buyers, more than twice the 14 percent who say their first consideration is traditional performance measures such as power and speed, according to a study by the consulting firm Accenture released in December.
Customer Surveys

“We do not discuss details of our work with others or speculate on future products for competitive reasons,” Susannah Wesley, a Ford spokeswoman, wrote in an e-mail.

Peter Wootton, a spokesman for Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft who works for Waggener Edstrom, declined to comment. Paul Leroux, a spokesman for QNX, declined to comment.

Ford and Lincoln ranked Nos. 26 and 27 out of 28 brands in Consumer Reports’ annual auto-reliability survey released in October. While the Lincoln luxury line matched the industry average in J.D. Power’s Initial Quality study in June, the namesake finished 27th out of 33 brands.

Technology companies are competing to win business from automakers as in-car technology becomes an increasingly important selling point. Google Inc. announced an alliance with General Motors Co., Honda Motor Co., Hyundai Motor Co. and chipmaker Nvidia Corp. in January to bring the Android operating system to cars. Apple Inc. is working with Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, Daimler AG’s Mercedes-Benz, Nissan Motor Co. and others to introduce its iOS operating system to cars with devices such as the iPhone.
QNX Users

BlackBerry’s QNX Software Systems can be found in cars made made by Volkswagen AG’s Audi unit and BMW, according to its website. QNX and Microsoft are the main suppliers of automotive operating system software, according to researcher IHS iSuppli.

BlackBerry, at the time named Research in Motion Ltd. (BB), bought QNX Software Systems for $200 million in 2010. In addition to its presence in cars, QNX technology is used to manage nuclear-power plants and by the U.S. military for unmanned aerial drones. Its customers include Cisco Systems Inc., General Electric Co. and Caterpillar Inc.

The switch would be a significant blow to Microsoft’s automotive software business because Ford is by far its biggest customer, said Gartner’s Koslowski. Microsoft also has software in Kia Motors Corp., Fiat SpA models, Nissan and BMW models, according to its website. Getting into the Ford system will expand QNX’s industry leading position for automotive entertainment operating systems, which Koslowski said he estimates is as high as 70 percent.
Integrating Systems

The operating system in the car entertainment system has become more of a commodity and now added functions are more important, he said. QNX has done a better job of integrating compatibility with other operating systems such as those from Apple, Google and included emerging Internet standards, he said.

“You have to look at it more from a perspective of how much functionality do I get for what price and really move your investment budgets to other areas that become much more strategic for creating differentiation,” Koslowski said. “The industry is realizing it has to do a better job to create a unique experience for its customers.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Craig Trudell in Tokyo at ctrudell1@bloomberg.net; Jeff Green in Southfield, Michigan at jgreen16@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Young-Sam Cho at ycho2@bloomberg.net; Jamie Butters at jbutters@bloomberg.net
 






This is exactly why I would never buy a car with all this electronic garbage integrated into the other systems. The idea that a computer crash would kill your a/c is just preposterous.
Now, all of you that bought into this stuff up till now? Prepare to have your still "buggy" and not really fixed "infotainment" crap be completely abandoned by Ford. The second your warranty is up, you'll be an orphaned red-headed step-child to them. As I've said in previous posts, you'll start seeing cars/vehicles wind up in the junkyard, long before they are mechanically worn out, simply because their tightly integrated "infotainment" and other electronic systems are no longer supported by anybody, and will have become unrepairable.

Yeah. Good luck with that. The manufacturers are integrating all this stuff. Even on low end cars. You won't have a choice soon.
 












Man all of the articles and comments give such a bad rap to Microsoft. MFT problems are not MS related, it's unfortunate it has come to this. I was using MS's AutoPC a decade and a half ago when Clarion used to sell units. The underlying OS is stable, tried, and very productive. It's crappy that Ford didn't take the chance to ditch Flash and rewrite the UI in native C# or C++ when they had the chance.

I wonder if there's any chance they'd open source MFT after switching to QNX :) I'd love to write my own UI for MS Auto.
 






I'm actually upset with this, because as has been said, there will now be no incentive to improve the system we have. :thumbdwn:
 



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re MY FORD TOUCH

Financial papers are telling a story of a change perhaps to a new system
BY BLACKBERRY I am no computer expert so I would like some input from you people who have the knowledge .I only hope it will work on my explorer
 






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