RayInStl
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- City, State
- St. Louis, MO
- Year, Model & Trim Level
- 2002 Ford Explorer 4.0
Hey guys, new to the forum. A buddy of mine was looking for a first car but is strapped financially, so I loaned him some money to pick something up. We came across an Explorer on Craigslist that was running as of a couple days ago, but died while driving. It was going cheap and I thought it would be something simple like a fuel pump or sensor, so I bought it sight unseen for $300. My budget was $1k, so I figured we could use the other $700 to get it running.
I work on my own cars, so I'm usually pretty good at diagnostics, but this one has me scratching my head. I asked over on therangerstation.com since I'm already a member there (I have an 83 4x4 Ranger with a 2.3L). I'll explain what I've done and what they've suggested so far. But I thought I'd ask here in case there was a known Explorer only issue or if you guys had any other ideas.
Vehicle history
The car ran fine 2 days ago. It was owned by the same family (the previous owners) since new. It was being driven by their teenage son when it died while at speed. He was able to get it off on the shoulder. The wife had been trying to get the husband to get rid of it for years, but he was sentimentally attached. This was the straw that broke the camel's back, so he listed it on Craigs List. I bought it and pulled it to a nearby parking lot to check things over.
Vehicle info
What it does
When I turn the key, the engine cranks but does not start. The only lights that stay on the dash are the CEL and the "Check Gauge" light (I assume because the fuel gauge is not working). When it cranks, it sounds different than most cars I've had experience with. It almost sounds like the starter isn't trying very hard. Like it's little to no compression.
What I've tried
I initially thought it wasn't getting fuel, so I bought a can of starting fluid and rented a fuel pressure gauge. Spraying starting fluid in the intake did nothing. Doesn't even cough. Pressure gauge shows 40 PSI. At this point, I towed it to my buddies house. While towing, I disconnected the battery to give it time to hopefully clear the codes. When we got to his place, I replaced the battery with the one from my Ranger since the original battery was getting low.
I checked the wiring to the coil packs and to the sensor on the crank for the EDIS system. I didn't see any obvious problems.
Other things that may be important
The key can be removed from the ignition switch at any time. The shifter (automatic, column) indicator is off. When it's in park, it says Reverse. I think the neutral safety switch is fine. It won't even crank if it's not in park or neutral (going by how many "clicks" down I am, not by what the indicator says). Many things on the truck don't work correctly. The back doors don't open at all. The back hatch can be opened only by reaching in between the plastic trim and the tailgate and pushing the mechanism by hand. The lock button doesn't work (unlock does). The key cannot unlock the doors. You MUST use the code pad on the door. That made me think that maybe the security system was tripped, but the security light goes off when the key is in "run".
Any thoughts? The single reply on the ranger station thought that perhaps there was a grounding problem since all of the cylinders misfired except one. Or a problem with the computer since it has conflicting codes. I'm going to be heading back over there tomorrow if I get off early enough, so I'll check the grounds then.
I've been worried that it might have broken one or more timing chains. I understand that the 4.0 SOHC has issues with that. That would also explain loss of compression and the sudden way the engine died at speed. Is there some way to check without tearing the engine apart?
Thanks for any help you guys can provide! They guy I'm helping is one of those people that you really want to help. He's just a really great person. So I'm really hoping we can get this thing running for him.
Ray
I work on my own cars, so I'm usually pretty good at diagnostics, but this one has me scratching my head. I asked over on therangerstation.com since I'm already a member there (I have an 83 4x4 Ranger with a 2.3L). I'll explain what I've done and what they've suggested so far. But I thought I'd ask here in case there was a known Explorer only issue or if you guys had any other ideas.
Vehicle history
The car ran fine 2 days ago. It was owned by the same family (the previous owners) since new. It was being driven by their teenage son when it died while at speed. He was able to get it off on the shoulder. The wife had been trying to get the husband to get rid of it for years, but he was sentimentally attached. This was the straw that broke the camel's back, so he listed it on Craigs List. I bought it and pulled it to a nearby parking lot to check things over.
Vehicle info
- 1998 Ford Explorer 4x4
- 4.0L SOHC
- 215,000 miles on odometer
- Cranks, but doesn't start. Does not even try. No sputter.
- "Check Gauge" light is on
- CEL is on. Has the following codes:
- P0301 cylinder 1 misfire
- P0303 cylinder 3 misfire
- P0304 cylinder 4 misfire
- P0305 cylinder 5 misfire
- P0306 cylinder 6 misfire
- P0171 system too lean bank 1
- P0172 system too rich bank 1
- P0174 system too lean bank 2
- P0175 system too rich bank 2
What it does
When I turn the key, the engine cranks but does not start. The only lights that stay on the dash are the CEL and the "Check Gauge" light (I assume because the fuel gauge is not working). When it cranks, it sounds different than most cars I've had experience with. It almost sounds like the starter isn't trying very hard. Like it's little to no compression.
What I've tried
I initially thought it wasn't getting fuel, so I bought a can of starting fluid and rented a fuel pressure gauge. Spraying starting fluid in the intake did nothing. Doesn't even cough. Pressure gauge shows 40 PSI. At this point, I towed it to my buddies house. While towing, I disconnected the battery to give it time to hopefully clear the codes. When we got to his place, I replaced the battery with the one from my Ranger since the original battery was getting low.
I checked the wiring to the coil packs and to the sensor on the crank for the EDIS system. I didn't see any obvious problems.
Other things that may be important
The key can be removed from the ignition switch at any time. The shifter (automatic, column) indicator is off. When it's in park, it says Reverse. I think the neutral safety switch is fine. It won't even crank if it's not in park or neutral (going by how many "clicks" down I am, not by what the indicator says). Many things on the truck don't work correctly. The back doors don't open at all. The back hatch can be opened only by reaching in between the plastic trim and the tailgate and pushing the mechanism by hand. The lock button doesn't work (unlock does). The key cannot unlock the doors. You MUST use the code pad on the door. That made me think that maybe the security system was tripped, but the security light goes off when the key is in "run".
Any thoughts? The single reply on the ranger station thought that perhaps there was a grounding problem since all of the cylinders misfired except one. Or a problem with the computer since it has conflicting codes. I'm going to be heading back over there tomorrow if I get off early enough, so I'll check the grounds then.
I've been worried that it might have broken one or more timing chains. I understand that the 4.0 SOHC has issues with that. That would also explain loss of compression and the sudden way the engine died at speed. Is there some way to check without tearing the engine apart?
Thanks for any help you guys can provide! They guy I'm helping is one of those people that you really want to help. He's just a really great person. So I'm really hoping we can get this thing running for him.
Ray