302 Conversion, Part II 94 XLT

[Sandy]

Electric Fans

First off they s___ !
Next there is not enough room in the Ranger and I believe in the Explorer/Navajo either, for a mechanical fan.

I used two 12" electric fans. They work well enough to keep the thing from overheating but not as cool as I would like.

I did not cut the brace in the front of the raditor, I bent it up a little to accommodate the fan brackets but that was it.

My Ranger runs at approx. 205/210 on the hy-way but around 200 around town. Seems the slower I go the cooler it runs, go figure.

I have been told that my heat problem is due to the fact that I removed the front apron. Seems that the air is trying to get in the engine compartment from two different direction, from the front and the bottom.
I have not reinstalled the apron but it is in the future, no need to rush in to it.

 

[NIGHTRANGER5.0]

I'm running a 93 5.0 HO. The radiator is a custom brass 4 core that sits inside the rad support. I'm using the stock fan and shroud from my 94 4.0. There's about 2.5" of fan/rad clearance. I'm going to bust out with the armorall and clean up the engine for some new pics soon.

 

[Sandy]

4.0 Fan

Interesting that the 4.0 stuff works, I have never looked at it; something to think about.

Sandy B

 

[Oknut]

I'm with you there.. I do think that you would be able to relocate it tho. There is plenty of room over the fenders.

But I still don't understand why he will have to move his radiator, they put 5.0 in explorers. and I had no problems fitting mine.. he could actually place the engine back a little bit on the cross member. Just hit the fire wall in a bit with a hammer.

-Oknut

 

[Sandy]

I know the after-market raditors that you buy for this swap are designed to fit in the opening up front. I believe this gives a little more room for the fan, but you can not use a mechanical fan.
The Mountaineer comes with a V8 and I think the Timing Chain Cover, and all the other bracket up front are designed to give room for a mechanical fan. I have looked at the Mountaineer engine bay and the front of its 5.0L looks different.

I will need to look again.

Keep it on all Four.

 

[Oknut]

Well i'm running v-belts and a regular fan plus an electric fan. I don't see why he can't also.

 

[Sandy]

Sepentine Belts

I think the 5.0L belt setup sticks out more.

 

[Oknut]

Sandy,

I have a 5 liter in my explorer, all I did was convert it to a v-belt setup. Gave me more room and I was able to run performance pulleys. He should be able to do the same thing.

-Oknut

 

[Sandy]

V-Belt setup

Oknut,
When you converted to V-Belts did you have to change the water pump ? Different rotation I think...

How many V-Belts are you running ?
Did you retain all of the accessories ?

Tnx,

 

[Oknut]

Sandy,

My engine is an older style 5.0 but the block and the all the bolt holes should be the same. The engine was setup for serpentine belts. I had a guy custom make me a bracket for the power steering, it's off a 1982 bronco II, and i'm running a chevy alternator and a 16 inch flex fan. I bought my performance pulleys from James Duff. It all works awsome and gave me more power.

The Water pump that i'm running is for a 1979 5.0 L. You might have to go with a different water pump. but everything else should work.

Hope this helps,

-Oknut

 

[Sandy]

New Belt Set-up

Oknut,

Tnx for the info, I will have to look into that.

 

[Oknut]

You welcome,

 

[Sandy]

Info

Oknut,
Was just looking at your vehicle specs.
Nice rig.

16 inches of lift, how does it ride ?

Mine will be approx 5 inches, D44, 9"er, locked in both.
he engine will be a warmed over 5.0L, nv4500, Atlas II-4.3.

Still putting it together, a little slow though.

Keep it on all four

 

[Gofast]

OK, A few Pics

I will not mention progress. I will show some pictures though.

From the top. Tight in the back and the sides. Notice throttle body wanting to occupy the same space as theA/C heater box. Time to get a 90 degree elbow from SVT. The upper intake is still 2" forward of where it will bolt up.

Check out the clearance on the remote oil filter. The Steering box is removed for install. I have 1/2" between the oil adapter and the gearbox.

Someday, I'll have pics of it running......

 

[fordkrazy]

hey gofast....looks nice i like the blue. did you have to trim any of the a/c box? and also cant you just flip the upper manifold so the tb is on the other side? or is there an egr passage in the manifold? man i hope i can start mine soon... your pictures have given me greater confidance in being able to do this swap...well good luck on the rest of it!! lookin good

 

[Oknut]

Sandy-

My truck rides pretty good on the road, considering what I have done, But I lincoln locked my rear end a few weeks ago and it makes it a little harder to go around corners and the rear brakes tend to lock up, but I have only driving my rig around town about 5 times. It's mainly for offroad and I really don't care how it drives on the road. After I first completed it, I took it for a test run and I actually went as fast as 75 mph. I did take it up in the hills two weekends ago for a local event.. And man does it do good offroad. It even did awsome on the trails. I did a few hill climbs that some locked up jeeps couldn't do, but up here we got some pretty deep ruts, so if you don't have the big tires you aren't going anywhere.

Fordcrazy-

Did you mean heaterbox? Because I don't think you can trim your a/c box.

Take care,

-Oknut

 

[Sandy]

SVO 45 degree unit.

GoFast,
It all takes time, I have been working on mine for about 18 months, still have a lot to do. Do it right and do it once.

I bought the Trick FLow 45 degree unit, still tight.

The L&L stuff looks good. (Oil Adapter)


Lots of luck, keep us, on the forum, informed of your progress.

 

[Gofast]

Intake info

Robert, You can flip the intake and have it all exit on the drivers side. Still have clearance issues on passenger side due to the runners and also have clearance issues on the drivers side with Steering and brakes. It's do-able though, but then my 5.0 logo on the intake would be upside down.

Sandy, Did the trick flow elbo bolt up to the intake directly or to the EGR plate? I would prefer to have the elbow between the Intake and the EGR plate if possible.

I've been at this since September...I orginally thought it would be a 90 day project. Due to all kinds of problems it has turned out to be a slow process. Getting there though.

BTW, The intake and Vavle covers are Powder coated and I really like the way they turned out. I just couldn't resist the "Pretty Stuff" under the hood. The oil adapter is L&L, really like there stuff. The Motor Mounts are Kaufman.

I have no idea why I'm having such a tough time with space on my truck. I'm sure the shortie accesorie kit would have helped get me room in the front of the motor. But it is really tight all the way around this motor.

Thanks Rob

 

[Sandy]

Tight Fit

A tight fit can be good but is not alway the best thing, : but in Explorer/Bronco II/Ranger cases it is the only way.
The Air Conditioner/Heater Box tight fit is a big problem. Maybe replace the box with one w/o air, but do you want air ? The box is the only problem I had, everything else fits like my Ranger conversion did and there is enough clearance.

The TrickFlow elbow is designed to replace the EGR Valve, or at least the one I have has all of the connections on it. I have blocked all of them off and I blocked off the ports at the head for the exhaust recirculation. This will keep the gas a little cooler and maybe help with a little HP. In the cooler months it may take a little longer to heat up but I think there is no problem with heat in these setups, there is always too much.

I have to haul everything apart again to modify the cross member under the engine. I want to replace it with a removable unit that fits up tighter to the engine. The D44 is cramped under there with all that cross member above it. I think it will give me more room for the D44 to move around, maybe up to 6".

Keep it on all four,


Oh ya, one more thing, Are your Valve covers on backward or is there no Oil Filler ?

 

[Gofast]

The details....

Good catch, They are on backwords. I was going to flip the upper intake but didn't gain anything clearance wise when I did it. The valve covers will be swapped back this weekend. This will show off the SVO breather cap on the oil tube better anyway.