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Howdy, all. I found Glacier991's thread about his "bullet-proof" A4LD rebuild. It was a godsend! Though I do not intend to be stopping bullets with my tranny, I DO need to get down the road fast, as the A4LD in question is from my D.D.
I'm a broke S.O.B. with no $$. I have NEVER even worked on a transmission before, so some may question the wisdom of tackling this rebuild. However, I am not without some measure of tool skill and experience in other fields, so the basics do not escape me. I understand that some may cry that I don't have an Explorer, but so what? I have an Aerostar that was 2wd stock with the cargo and towing packages. It is the only minivan I know of from the late 80's which was built on a truck frame and even is classified as a truck by many aftermarket manufacturers. It's basically an Explorer with a van's body. I bought it for $1 back in Nov. of 2006 from a family who had let it sit for over two years because it "won't go over 30mph".
It has the strangest shifter I've ever seen, in that it has TWO drive gears. I have playfully called it a "manu-matic" due to the necessity of manually shifting it into 2nd and 3rd because it won't go on it's own.

A bit ago I went 4-wheeling in the rain down a muddy road. Made it a surprisingly far distance before getting laterally high-centered on a mud bank. It was then that I learned all about Hi-Lift jacks.(Excellent product, BTW.) From this experience I set out to slowly convert my puny, ugly, rusty Aerostar into the baddest-ass rock crawler on Earth. All so I can go back to that road one day (I don't care if it's ten years from now, or even twenty) and OWN it. For anyone interested, this "road" starts at 57th and Docking just S.W. of Topeka, Ks. You can find it on Google maps. Be sure to use the sat. view, though it doesn't do the road justice. It's very steep in places. I had to blast down it at around 40mph just to keep going. Spent less time actually pointed down the road than in other directions, though I kept it going straight ahead the whole time.
Anyway, so now I'm rebuilding the tranny because I can't afford to have it done, and I've never done one before, so it should be fun. I have spent just $149.99 in actual parts for the tranny, and I invested in a glasspack and new exhaust bracket because I had to cut the old one down. THAT was because the idiots who put in the muffler for the former owners (prob. [SIZE=-1]Meineke[/SIZE]) tack-welded the ENTIRE exhaust line rearward of the catyls. I can't afford to buy the tailpipe, so I took a piece of 2" fence post, flared it with an exhaust pipe flaring tool, and ran it straight off the back of the glasspack. I won't be including all of THAT in the parts/tools cost because I assume there's at least a better than 50% chance that YOUR car was not owned/serviced by idiots. Oh, and fencepost is a LOT cheaper than exhaust tubing.

So my goal here is to post the DIFFERENCES between my build and Glacier's. He dropped eight bills. I can't. He did mention something about a budget thread, so here it is. AND it's being done by a total knoob to boot, so it ought to be as much fun for those who know what they are doing as it will be for me while I learn.

Any sugg./comments are welcomed. Just expect to get your head backed over by a $25 tire if you suggest I get a $200+ part or kit. Remember, I AM BROKE. LoL. But when it comes to jerry-rigging (sensibly and SAFELY, of course) bring it on.

So. Glad to be here, and I hope you will look forward to my next post.
 



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Welcome to the forums!!

BTW, moving this to the tranny forum. Have fun with the rebuild...
 






Now. Some words about WHY I have to do this rebuild. I took a trip to K.C. with my roommate on Monday last, and on the way back Gulliver (my Aerostar--Yes, so I name my cars, big deal. Gulliver is a bad M.F. and probably the most reliable vehicle in the tri-state. Ran the cast iron block for two weeks with no water a while back--bone dry--due to burst hose and never overheated. Like I said, BAD ASS) started dropping out of gear intermittently and the cruise made the revs jump to 4500 in a heartbeat. Problem got worse and after about 40 miles there was NO power reaching the final drive at all. Like i was stuck in neutral. Singed the tranny fluid but didn't burn it. Nonetheless, it came bursting out of the case to fry on the exhaust "Y" that runs right under the front lip of the pan.
Later examination has revealed enough copper dust in the tranny fluid (which I changed about 5K ago) to make a crayon. So I fear the worst for my thrust washers.
When I took the T.C. off, I found that it couldn't have more than 5K on it, so the former owners must have had the tranny rebuilt shortly before they parked it for good. I looked for the notches on the inside of the bellhousing and found five broken-off ones from when Ford built it, and only THREE for when it was rebuilt. So they cut corners there, which makes me sure I know what happened: they simply crapped on the job and screwed up what is now my tranny. I've gotten down to the servos, valve body (man, was THAT a *****!), and modulator. I will try to get some pictures up to show my progress at this point, but because it's almost exactly what is avail. on Glacier991's thread, I will try to show what he doesn't, which isn't much. He covered it well.

I have bought the following tools and parts:

Snapring pliers - $11.88 (Advance Auto Parts)

Chalk (for marking the driveshaft) $1.00 (Dollar General)

Box of plastic fold-lock sandwich bags $1.00 (D.G.)

Package of 8-Lb paper bags $1.00 (D.G.)

Three cans brake cleaner $6.00 (D.G.)

Two bundles red rags $2.00 (D.G.)

Three small plastic bins for holding part sets prior to cleaning/inspection/bagging $1.00 (D.G.)

Paper tape for making labels $1.00 (D.G.)

Three-pack of sharpies $1.00 (D.G.)

Duct Tape (because you never know) $1.00 (D.G.)

Two rolls black vinyl tape (also because you never know) $1.00 (D.G.)

Steel wire brush (GENTLY! And not INSIDE anywhere) $3.49 (A.A.P.)

Blue shop towels $1.50 (A.A.P.)

2 gallons of dexIII $18 (A.A.P.)

A4LD SUPER KIT w/STEELS,MODULATOR,FILTER,2 BANDS 85-89 $149.99 (Ebay)

TONS of patience: Priceless

So that's MY list. So far. Again, it doesn't include tools/parts I had to buy special because there are a lot of people who are just post-thick when it comes to cars....and most of them got a shot at this one.
Now it's my turn to screw it up. When I got around to dropping the tranny after three days of inventive cursing of the names of all Ford engineers, I almost bent the damn flywheel because I forgot to take out the T.C. bolts before I tried to drop it. I didn't force it, thankfully, because I was getting very close to just saying damn-all and cashing Gulliver in at the junkyard. But it came down and I heaved it up onto a dresser in the garage of my roommate's folks so I could clean it. Took all three cans of brake cleaner. I scraped up the outside of the ext. housing a little with the brush but hey, I never said I was smart.....
Threw the tranny in a cardboard-lined shopping cart I borrowed from Dollar General (yes, I returned it when I was done) to get it the block-and-a-half to my house. I set it up in my living room on an old dual subwofer box with the nice cheap absorbent carpeting on it. It smells like burnt tranny fluid in there now, but at least I haven't spilled so much as one drop of fluid anywhere yet. I have six windows in my living room, so there's plenty of ventilation. I worked on the servos, modulator, and valvebody parts across 6.5 hours of solid, slow, patient work. I was unable to get a couple of the valve sets out, so rather than risk scoring them with my steel tools, I dipped my walnut coring tool (yeah, you read right: I used a KITCHEN UTENSIL as a tool) in some clear silicone and it's curing now. Hopefully it will do the job. If not, screw it. All of the parts and bits I pulled out of the valvebody look pristine, so I feel I can safely assume that the two or three remaining valve assemblies are no different for my ghetto rebuild. Remember, folks: I'm just trying to get my daily driver, one-dollar car up and running again.
Now, at 7:41 in the morning, I am just waiting for the rest of the tranny fluid to drain out of the housing where the valvebody used to be, and the walnut tool to cure. I have the tranny set up on a lid from one of those cheap-o plastic storage containers I cut a hole in at one end so the fluid can drain into another container.
I'll take a nap and start again when I wake up.
 






Welcome to this forum! I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to do with a walnut core tool, or walnut cracker, and caulk. How long did it take to remove the transmission? I've done this many times, and couldn't do it faster than 3 1/2 hours.
 






Welcome to this forum! I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to do with a walnut core tool, or walnut cracker, and caulk. How long did it take to remove the transmission? I've done this many times, and couldn't do it faster than 3 1/2 hours.

Hey! Greets and thanx for the welcome. Well, the walnut tool was used during many stages of the trannie's deconstruction. It works remarkably well for teasing the valves out of the V.B. No stress was involved for 12 of the 16 removals, two stuck a little but came out, and two flat won't come out yet. I'm not sure what they are called, as I do not have a rebuild manual of any kind. More on that in a moment. Anyway, I've decided that coating the pick in a thin layer of clear silicone may protect the soft Au from nasty scores. If all else fails, I will simply say hell with it and leave them be. I absolutely cannot afford a new valve body, but if I have to I can spend another three days to pull it back out and start over.
Yep, you read right....it took me three days to pull it, but I have a good excuse:
1. My nice tool set that I'd spent two years accumulating was gaffled from my van when it was stuck in the mud I've mentioned earlier--along with my Hi-Lift jack and even my 2.5 gallon gas can! LoL. Guess they needed it more than I did.... so all I had the day I started this project was a pair of pliers, some old rusty sockets, and a standard screwdriver. There were also some ratchet drivers and adapters, and several wrenches. This toolset is the one my roommate's parents have accumulated, and these people NEVER use tools, so it's pretty skimpy.
2. It's still cold here in Lawrence and I don't have a closed-in garage--the one I am in is not possible to close off. So I had to wait till it got warm enough for my hands not to start going numb--in my experience a dangerous situation best avoided.
3. I have a Hayne's book for Gulliver that I got so I could re-do the brakes (I'd never done brakes before, either--I want to:shoot:the a$$h0l3 who designed the drum brakes in the rear of my van!) a couple of weeks ago; and while it tells you how to get the tranny out, it says nothing about what to do with it afterwards--save for a timid recommendation that it be retired to the nearest pro rebuilder shop. :( Well THAT"S no good, but at least I can get it out without pulling the engine. If it weren't for that, it'd be over before it started because I can't afford a $150 cherry picker. So I got to work and everything was going fine until I got to the crossmember bolts. They required a tool I did not have, and though I'd already made five trips on foot to the Advance Auto Parts and back I would have gone back had they been opened.
4. Day two, I get a nice-looking 29-piece pass-through socket set for around forty dollars. I get the crossmember bolts snapped loose with the help of an improvised cheater (a walk to the Anderson tool rental with the salvaged Au handle of a pool skimmer yielded two 18-inch tubes cut at no charge) which worked too well--it ruined the ratchet. Lifetime guarantee, so I exchanged it. Another trip to A.A.P. Then I discovered a problem with the exhaust system. While the bolts at the forks of the "Y" came off relatively easily given the corrosion, the entire rest of the exhaust pipe had been tack-welded, and even the bracket between the cat's and the muffler had been welded to the bolts in their holes. So back to the store for a MAPP torch. Broke loose the weld between the front of the muffler and the bracket and pulled it apart. Too cold to continue, so I go back home.
5. And finally, day three. I go out and drop the drive shaft, which is the easiest part so far. Then to tackle the bellhousing bolts. got them out with the cheater bar. Busted the ratchet again. This one was the last one that A.A.P. had, so it's still here and still busted. Will go back tomorrow to exchange it again.:D P.O.S. Anyway, I had to use an included adapter from the socket set to have it work with a standard-design ratchet. Got the transmission down after nearly screwing up big time by forgetting about the T.C. bolts.
And that's why it took three days. If I'd been indoors, warm, with the correct tools and a floor jack that gets the car up about three feet, I could probably have gotten it out in a couple hours. One thing I become more certain of as my knowledge increases is that while the right tools are not an absolute requirement, they can easily mean the difference between a fun project and a nightmare of frustration and anger.
One other thing I've learned is that even if your experience allows you to do a job blindfolded better than you did it your first time, your experience can't do you any good if you are concentrating on anything but doing the job as well as you possibly can. I'm not flaming here or anything, I'm just sharing what I think I know. And that is that I've not really given any thought before now to how long it takes to do a task like this. Though it is time sensitive, it does no good to get it done wrong two hours before you could have got it done right...;)
Now about the lack of any books for the tranny: I bought a tranny book from A.A.P. that is (I thought) supposed to cover Ford transmissions from like '85 to '95. Now to me, that should mean all Ford trannies in that time period. But no. For some reason they saw fit to omit what seems to me to be one of the most widespread transmissions available on the road today. [after some time has gone by, I think they may have left it out because of the great number of variations one can find from one A4LD to the next -but so what. Making a tranny rebuild manual is the definition of difficult (just ask Glacier) so making it easier should not be a consideration when what you are doing is hard to begin with. Omitting an entire popular model of tranny from your rebuild manual is silly, I think] I could be exaggerating there, but I sure have seen a lot of the vehicles that use this tranny on the road. So I take the book back during one of those first five trips. Then I find out I would have to buy a book for 15 bucks online to get the skinny on my tranny and then wait for it to get here. Then I found Glacier991's thread and there was light again in my world. Pictures in COLOR! Step-by-step, personal attention to detail by just a dedicated individual trying to make life easier for the rest of us....It gave me my courage back! LoL. So thanks, everyone. I will give my best contribution, even if it's the "never do it like this" example of a build!
 












You could download a Ford CD, or a DVD from WWW.FordCDs.Com.

Wow! Hey, thanx alot! Now I can put it on my old laptop and set it by the work area to use it, rather than having to do a step, get up and go into my roommate's room and scroll the page, read the next instruction, and so on like I've been doing....
 






Wow it sounds like you have less money than I do. The only difference is that my parents dont have money problems. Since my dad likes to work on things I basically have a full service shop. A lot of tool stores dont have this many tools. I dont think there is anything that could be done on a car that I cant do with these tools. The only thing I can think of that we dont have is a hydraulic floor jack.
 






Then I found Glacier991's thread and there was light again in my world. Pictures in COLOR! Step-by-step, personal attention to detail by just a dedicated individual trying to make life easier for the rest of us....It gave me my courage back!


You just made my day. THAT is EXACTLY why I did that diary. FREE info to assist others in saving old Explorers (and $$). If you run into any problems post them here and I will try and help.
 






Wow it sounds like you have less money than I do. The only difference is that my parents dont have money problems. Since my dad likes to work on things I basically have a full service shop. A lot of tool stores dont have this many tools. I dont think there is anything that could be done on a car that I cant do with these tools. The only thing I can think of that we dont have is a hydraulic floor jack.

If you have more than three cents to your name....Yep, ya got more dough than I. I used to have every tool known to man, woman or beast, but years and thieves came and went...I used to have tools to fix tools....As for the jack, talk your dad into going to harbor freight to get one. I think they're like 3 bills.

You just made my day. THAT is EXACTLY why I did that diary. FREE info to assist others in saving old Explorers (and $$). If you run into any problems post them here and I will try and help.


Much obliged, sir. Thank you
 






The dreaded wait.....

Okay, so it's update time. I now have a manual at my disposal thanx to B.B. So I can now identify the valves which STILL refuse to come out:

They are the Converter Clutch Shuttle Valve in bore 201, and the
2-3 Backout valve in bore 211. Also, now that I look at it under bright light, I see that yet one more piece has lagged behind: the 3-4 Backout valve in bore 216!

So now we see if this walnut tool will work....looks like plated pot metal.....looks CHEAP as I brandish it at my nice valve body.....
And it's a no-go. At least I didn't score anything....but the parts are still in there.

Went to Dollar General (D.G.-remember?) to get more brake cleaner and whaddya know? Someone cleaned them out of it. :p: But I remember reading the ingredients list on one can of it a while ago and there's acetone in it! So I bought 11 9oz. bottles of nail polish remover (acetone) for a buck apiece and one can of store-brand brake cleaner at the Advance Auto Parts (A.A.P.) for $2.50...and this stuff doesn't even have acetone in it! So I'm thinking I can just dump 99 ounces of nail polish remover into a tub to let parts soak in, and use the can of brake cleaner to spray off where needed. Definitely one of those times when I hope like hell I know what I'm doing.....

Maybe after a soak those parts will just pop right out of the V.B. I can always hope!
 






Actually, cleaning the VB will remove any lubrication and can actually make things harder to disassemble.... Once you have it cleaned (assuming it's too late now to stop) spray it real good with something slippery or get some ATF into those bores... before you try and remove anything...

Also sometimes little pieces of gasket can become lodged in a spool, and when that happens you need to try and move it back and forth while trying to either get the bit of gasket to fall into a bore land or out of the VB... it can be frustrating.
 






Hmmm.....

Well, I got the V.B. soaking in the acetone...which does appear to leave a fine residue....think it's glycerin....The acetone doesn't do ANYTHING to rid the parts of dirt, grease, or ATF...but a good thing about it is that once you spray off a part with brake cleaner over it, it sits on top of the spray-off, which does two things: it conserves the cleaner for further use, and it prevents the contaminants from re-depositing on the part. So I set the forward clutch, internal gear and forward planetary gear assbl'y into the acetone and sprayed brake cleaner on it. The gunk ran away from it and conveniently settled to the bottom of the tub. Adios to all the crap that caused this whole mess from the get-go.:D
Now as for the V.B., I first thank Glacier for the input (yep, too L8!), then curse the Ford engineers again, then finally just say hell with it. I really have to wonder if it's necessary right now to remove those parts. I am running the risk of damaging the V.B. in a bad way if I continue. So one way, the worst that happens is I MIGHT have to take it out and try again; while the other way, if I should happen to score one of the V.B.'s machined surfaces, I am DEFINITELY screwed. A no-brainer for me right now. Unless Glacier would be willing to post me a replacement V.B. out of the kindness of his heart, should I screw this one up? :D As for something slippery on my naked tranny valve body (sorry, had to--doesn't it sound delightfully dirty? LoL), would Pam cooking spray do the job? Probably just cook right off when tranny gets up to highway speeds.....LoL
Just waiting for the fumes to clear out of the living room. Still no mail yet....hope my rebuild kit gets here today.....:bounce:
 






Well, poop............

Damn!:fire: The kit didn't come 2day. Oh, well.....time to kill time with the brakes....need to re-do the flaring on the wheelcylinder end of the right-rear line because when I replaced the W.C. a little while ago I rounded the nut with cheap vise-grips and had to replace it. I still had to cut the brake line first because, lacking a box-end or special "brake line" wrench, it was the only way to use my socket wrench to get the damn thing off.:wtf: Long story longer, that necessitated re-flaring the end of the brake line...a cut...with the wrong tool, of course: the cheap roto-tool ($10.00) from Harbor Freight with one of the included sanding disks.:banghead: After massacring that poor disk, the line was cut and smooth. Had a bauxite mines' worth of Au inside as well. A bottle-and-a-half of brake fluid later, it was clean when I slid the nut on the line. ...you know, taken out of context that last line is pretty suspect....:D
Anyway, so here I am with the screwdriver...um, :rolleyes:yeah...so the screwdriver flares the tube, but scrapes the hell out of it and leaves behind more shavings.....two q-tips later I am trying to re-seat the jagged ground edge of the tube into the W.C. when I realize I have to detach all but one of the clips that hold it to the axlehousing because otherwise it won't reach now. Because of that, it's very easy to tell -after the nut has been tightened all the way- that the brake line moves in the bore. And then there's the steady flow of brake fluid seeping out between the inside bore of the nut and the tube. I re-cut and flanged the tube in a more careful version of before and the leak was cured. ....until now.
I have a tubing cutter, double-flange tool, and more brake fluid. This time, I do it right.:dead:
DAMN! Freudian slips are not underwear after all....


So here I am three hours later PISSED:splat:OFF because the flaring tool is a CHEAP P.O.S! The size I need to use it for is the smallest one (0.1875 or 3/16 in.) which happens to be in the middle of the frame between the two over-size, slippery-smooth wing nuts used to tighten the assembly around the tube. The tube keeps slipping in the tool, so I put vise-grips over the middle of the frame to help it clamp harder. That helped, but it still ain't with it. So I'm going to try wiping it down real well and wrapping a layer of electrical tape (remember -just in case? ;) ) around it to help the tool grip. Hope it worx....
 






Exhausted.....

:banghead: It seems the flaring tool is threaded internally. The tape failed miserably, so I started looking at the way it was going on.....funny thing is, the directions say NOTHING about cutting a thread into the line so the tool will grip. It doesn't mention threading anywhere on the "package" (a cardboard slip). Anyway, so it doesn't slide anymore if you thread it first....but now that it holds in there it's DAMN hard to turn. I'm a skinny woman but I'm strong...been working with tools all my life. Even so, this thing comes with a quasi-pitman puller but instead of a nice tool-steel turning lever, it has this thing like what's on most mid-size and smaller C-clamps. So I bent that. With my hands.:rolleyes:
Tired as hell and going to bed. Maybe have to figure out what to do if I no longer have enough hose to reach my W.C. Wonder if I could re-mount the distribution block....no, the line to the other wheel isn't long enough....Damn. May have to buy some brake line later...crap. At least I'll know how to use the damn tool next time.:biggthump
 






You could use either a flare tool to make a new end on the existing line, compression couplings, or maybe just replace the entire line so that you don't have trouble spots for leaks. You would need a tubing bender though.
 






I'm a skinny woman

Wow with the kind of work you are doing I just assumed you were male. This goes to show that women can do everything men can do.
 






The title of the thread was also misleading since it says man at the end. Either way it also shows people where there is a will there is a way. The trick is not to get discouraged, and think that taking something new on is beyond your capabilities. Some people are afraid to get a little dirty. That would also prevent someone from climbing underneath their truck.
 






You could use either a flare tool to make a new end on the existing line, compression couplings, or maybe just replace the entire line so that you don't have trouble spots for leaks. You would need a tubing bender though.

Um, perhaps I misunderstand, but a flare tool IS what I've been using.....that's what I've been griping about, that the tool is of sub-standard quality and hence the root of my current frustration....:)

Wow with the kind of work you are doing I just assumed you were male. This goes to show that women can do everything men can do.

Well, to be perfectly honest, I thought my name would have made that clear....K80 is my web-spelling of Katie......

The title of the thread was also misleading since it says man at the end. Either way it also shows people where there is a will there is a way. The trick is not to get discouraged, and think that taking something new on is beyond your capabilities. Some people are afraid to get a little dirty. That would also prevent someone from climbing underneath their truck.

I never felt the need to make it clearer that I'm a woman.....don't really want this to be about a woman working on her car....just want it to be about an Aerostar named Gulliver and the A4LD inside....lol. I called it A4LD for the Po' Man because it makes more sense than A4LD for the Po' gal.....In this context, I use "man" as a contraction for Human.....I guess all the womens' libber idiots want to shoot me now, but hey: I really DO think men and women are equal (ergo NOT in need of liberation), so I don't need to concern myself with the naming of names....whatever works for you works for me.;)
 



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Sunday Blues

Sittn' back, chilln' and smokn'.......listening to Sublime:

Summertime......and the livin's easy
and Bradley's on the microphone w/ ras m.g.
all the people in the dance will agree
that we are well qualified to represent the LBC
me and Louie run to the party
dance to the rhythm it gets harder
me and my girl we got this relationship
I love her so bad but she treats me like a dick
on lock down like a penitentiary
she spreads her lovin' all over
and when she gets home there's none left for me
[chorus]
oh take this veil from off my eyes
My burning sun will someday rise
so what am i gonna be doin' for a wife
said I'm gonna play with myself
show them how we come off the shelf
[chorus]
evil I've come to tell you that she's evil most definitely
evil ornery scandalous and evil the
tension is getting hotter I'd like to hold her head underwater....

God, I hate relaxing! But my roommate says if I don't take a chill pill and sit back, he won't clean up the walls when I explode.....'course I WON'T explode...I just appreciate a certain amount of tension or tensegrity in my life...it's my source of motivation.

Why the hell am I typing this? This is not Dr. Phil -lips-Screwdriver-in-my-rectum.com Sorry folks...guess I'm STILL not relaxed....Later
 






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