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Breaking in subwoofers

seriously you don't need to break your subs in

they are broken in when you listen to the music

the reason some subs break right away is because they are flawed. It only makes sense that if somethign is worng with it then it will show up right away... think about some other electronic item. No one would break in a toaster, but if it works when you first get it chances are it will work in 2 years. If its going to break it will probably break right away. subs work the same way.


so now we've compared subs to toasters and rubber bands
 



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do you realize how long 50-80 hours is? Assuming a music CD has 35 minutes of music on it (average)... that is listening to it 51 times. Granted I only drive on weekends during college.. but even during HS 50-80 hours would probably be ATLEAST a month. Maybe you have a long commute... but if that were upto me, the subs would probably rot before I ever got them fully bumping if I was going by the 50-80 hour mark.

But whatever floats your boat...
 






faster 80 than you LOL

Considering I drive 1-2 hours per day it's not all that long. I realize 80 total hours is a lot trust me, but after ruining a sub I refuse to do it any other way, but by the book. Doesn't matter, if you look at my first post- up to the owner. My 80 will definetely come faster than yours, LOL. First week in May I am driving from Montana to New Jersey. Straight through with two drivers is 36 hours. When I smoked the first box it took a week to send back and a week to get it back. Needless to say I was miserable for 2 weeks. It's more of a safety precaution, but mark my words if after those 80 hours and it happens again I will be *bleeping* ticked off. I wrote it off as defective because after I got it I found that there was a recall and considering I sent it back to Polk and not www.sounddomain.com I expect that I got the replacement and not a recalled product. They make awesome sounding subs, the quality of lasting a while when I turn the amp juice up is yet to see. I will salvage the sealed box and drop a higher RMS sub in if my problem repeats. You can guarantee I will call Polk and cuss a higher up person out and trash them the rest of my life in a Polk forum, but for now I will enjoy it. Not like I do not bump it now, just at a lower gain level. The wait is hopefully worth it.
 












lowering the gain DOES NOT lower the output from the amp
 






??
Of course it does. That's easily verified with a DMM connected to the speaker out.
 






if you lower the gain at a certian level from the hu yes. However, provided you don't have a hu with real low preout levels when you turn the hu up to "bump" its still turning the amp up all the way. the gain only represents how quickly it gets loud as you turn it up. i realize this isn't true for a lot of people with low level signal running through their systems, but ideally you want to find a better way to keep the level down.
 






It's kind of hard to figure out what it is you're trying to say, but less gain = less output from amp, period. Whether your HU puts out 8V or .8V, if you turn down the gain then you'll see less voltage at the output.
 






Breaking in subs... total joke to me.

I had mine pounding day 2 and have worked like beautys ever since. Quite honestly, it's crappy products that blow at the coincidence you didn't "break them in". I'll give it that the first few hours should be mellow, but lets be honest, 50 hours is just rediculous. If the manufacturers wanted people to break their subs in, wouldn't they perhaps mention it in their packaging? It makes all the sense in the world, I mean, it in return saves them hassles to be replacing blown subs and informs the customer up front, right? Joke.
 






drew is right turning down the gain wont do what u think it does..its like the LOUD feture on most HUs if the HUs max volume is 40 then by 35 LOUD on or off doesnt matter its all the same

and seriously bro if u think they wil snap like a rubber band what do u think the extreem hot and cold the car has to go through when ur not driving it will do to the subs?? nothing =) i get in my car volumes already on 25 (outa 40) its like that all the time..abuse and brutality is the name of the game lol weather its me or my subs putting it out...btw did u know im putting 4 15s in my tracker =) hahaha
 






weather? don't you have a roof on that thing?
 






I think he means like... you leave a car in the sun w/ windows up - it'll basically cook whatever is inside of the car, and during the winter when it gets really cold....
 






mhn3773 said:
drew is right turning down the gain wont do what u think it does..its like the LOUD feture on most HUs if the HUs max volume is 40 then by 35 LOUD on or off doesnt matter its all the same

That explanation makes even less sense than the previous one. Loud usually boosts certain frequencies at low volume, which isn't what gain does.
 






acctually no drew no doors and no roof right now =) lol

alright ericm mr know it all please enlighten me with ur wisdom..im waiting with baited breath =)...ur one of those guys that tells me there 1 audiobahn flame Q can out hit my 15s because the flame Q can "handel" as much power as both of my subs arent u
 






Here's proof from the manufacturer that a break in IS necessary

Though many 12-volt fans might fantasize about it, you wouldn't like living in your car: It's a rough environment. Cars are full of vibration, countless road-surface impacts and temperature swings roughly equivalent to Mars. Unfortunately, even though autosound speakers are designed with this harsh climate in mind, many suffer shorter life spans than those disappearing Martian landers. Rarely, however, are the elements to blame for "blown" speakers.

Unlike a set of home speakers, in which the engineering is packaged in its own box, a car system contains many variables, including the enclosure, cross-overs, and power source. These elements are your responsibility, so avoiding major missteps in design and use can wildly extend the life of your car speakers.

The three most common killers of speakers are excessive power, way-ward frequencies and an overstressed power supply.

Much like your car itself, car speakers tend to perform best when properly driven. The likeliest culprit in speaker-cide is too much power. Overdriving a speaker means sending it more signal than it can physically produce. If force-fed via a ham-fisted volume control, any speaker will give its life trying to produce sound levels beyond its capabilities.

Simply because of the size of its components-which are less able to dissipate heat and offer less "suspension" to handle sudden power peaks-tweeters are usually the first to go. Also, unlike other drivers (which might produce a rapping or slapping sound if overdriven), tweeters may not give an audible sign of distress before checking out. "Edgy" and "harsh" are usually their last reported descriptions, and then they blip off the radar.

Overdriven is not to be confused with "loud." A properly installed audio system can render you near deaf without harming the drivers at all. "Properly installed" means amplifier levels are calibrated so speakers are not overdriven at normal volume settings, and each driver in a component setup (via the crossovers) only receives its appropriate frequencies.

Though it applies to all speakers, tweeters are also normally the first casualty in a system where frequencies are misrouted (1-inch dome tweeters were never intended to handle 50Hz drum kicks). Sub-woofers can easily suffer the same fate at the other end of the audio spectrum. Pumping up the bass (especially with an equalizer), in search of frequencies outside the realm of your sub's driver/ enclosure/amp will have the woofer's cone flopping back and forth worse than a cornered politician.

The search for subsonic bliss can also shorten your speakers' life span. Looking for bass beyond your woofer's setup design can put exponential loads on an amplifier, causing it to choke, or "clip," sending potentially harmful signals to your speakers. Amplifiers also tend to clip during periods of high demand due to an inadequate power supply (which includes everything from the car's alternator to your amp's internal power source).

If your car is not properly wired, when asked for some serious grunt, entire system voltage can drop, greatly lowering an amplifier's output capability. An amp starved for voltage can give up the ghost early, clip and take speakers down with it.

To avoid all these pitfalls, proper setup is key. If you are popping speakers like aspirin, common solutions are a lower amplifier level (so that normal volume settings are not lethal), a re-tuned crossover frequency (giving the speaker a narrower range of sound to reproduce), or a steeper crossover slope (which rolls off more difficult frequencies more rapidly). Properly tuning your subs' crossovers and enclosures to provide sufficient bass for your musical tastes can also mean far less stress on your amps, extending the life of all your drivers. Find the balance between levels, crossovers and a stable power supply, and your speakers will live as long and loud as you like.

Paul Seredynski is a freelance writer and autosound sage based in San Diego.

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Quoted from an email I recieved from tech support:

Polks are great subs, but have a really STIFF suspension, which is why it is necessary for the extremely long break in period.
40 hours I would say is minimum. (and recommened by Kim Jasper...polks car audio guy)

Break It In
Your Polk/MOMO Custom Enclosed Subwoofer will achieve even greater performance once
it is thoroughly broken-in. To break in your new custom enclosed sub, play 20 to 30 hours
of music at moderate levels. Get more information online at Polk University:
http://www.polkaudio.com/car/faqad/index.php

OR for the stubborn ones that think I am full of it, here is the link for the booklet, look under "Break It In" page 3, left side http://www.polkaudio.com/downloads/manuals/car/PolkMOMO_SubEnclosureManual.pdf

72-80 hours was my thread in Polk quoted by an installer. Like it matters anymore, y'all want to get technical on breaking in, so there's the links.
 






proof uh? alright ill go snag the snip it from RE that says u dont have to break it in

and call me stuborn again u ass u do **** ur way i do **** my way so piss off elton john
 






you got issues LOL

I am saying that some products need to be broken in and some don't. I don't care what your RE says. My manual says otherwise, so why would I jeopardize what my speaker specific instructions say? It doesn't matter. And btw, calling you stubborn was not a direct statement. If it was I would have quoted your name moron. Yes I called you a moron LOL.
 












40 hours of breaking in? Please, I'd rather buy a new sub if that was the case. I'm sorry, stiff speaker or not, they should work beautifully out of the box and adapt to such natures once installed. I'll give it an hour or so of nice and easy, but please, 40 and someone even mentioned 70-80 is just flat out rediculous. It's laughable.
 



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I'm taking this straight from the June issue of performance auto and sound

"I broke the e12a in overnight using a 12v, 20Hz sine wave. This softens up the suspension and lets the woofer preform as though it had months of in-car play time."

The writer of the article (who does all the car audio testing for pasmag) breaks in all of the subs he test so I think I'll break in mine too.
 






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