C-5 in a '94??

[Brian_B]

Well i want the full auto, but i want to have OD still.

Then get ready to send AA a ton of money and add chevy parts. (see post #18)

 

[Hammer1]

Car Freak..where is that link to your c-4 swap??

 

[Brian_B]

Post #9. Although, the last time I visited the thread the trans was not working right.

 

[Terran]

Then get ready to send AA a ton of money and add chevy parts. (see post #18)

That's not really answering the question, i don't want a manual ford tranny or chevy tranny, i just wanted to know if you could add OD to a C-5.

 

[Brian_B]

That answers the question perfectly. The C5 is not OD and those are your options. Nothing else to be said.

 

[Terran]

Actually no, i don't know what you're thinking of, but for 2.5k you can get an overdrive unit that fit's the C-4 or the BW1253 ect.


not that it's the best value, but it might be worth it in the long run. Especially if you drive the piss out of your truck.

 

[Brian_B]

They will work on the C4 etc. However, the t-cases they fit are the full size ones. I don't know of anyone running these in a first gen X with a V6. If you have a V8 AWD then you already have a full size trans and they are OD units.

None of these came in a V6 explorer, yet these are all the ford t-cases they fit.

NP 203
NP-205
NP 208
NP 271/273
BW 1345
BW 1356
BW 1356
BW 1356
BW 4406
BW 4407

There are not any options that I know of for the stock t-case and OD from another vehicle. If you have enough money you can make anything fit. I say go for it, if you have money to burn. Just remember how long its going to take to recoup your expenses using OD with this kind of swap. BTW: What kind of mileage do you get now? 21 or even 25 maybe on the highway? I averaged 17 without OD and driving hard/loaded usually.

For a normal person on a normal buget its either manual, chevy, or C5/C4. hammer is considering not even rebuilding a 21 year old transmission. You can always have the A4LD rebuilt ($1500-2000) and hope it holds for a year or two.

EDIT: For your 91...remember your t-case is either a BW 1350 (late one) or the BW 1354. You listed another number in the post. I have never heard of that one. Hoping its a typo.

 

[Terran]

They will work on the C4 etc. However, the t-cases they fit are the full size ones. I don't know of anyone running these in a first gen X with a V6. If you have a V8 AWD then you already have a full size trans and they are OD units.

None of these came in a V6 explorer, yet these are all the ford t-cases they fit.

NP 203
NP-205
NP 208
NP 271/273
BW 1345
BW 1356
BW 1356
BW 1356
BW 4406
BW 4407

There are not any options that I know of for the stock t-case and OD from another vehicle. If you have enough money you can make anything fit. I say go for it, if you have money to burn. Just remember how long its going to take to recoup your expenses using OD with this kind of swap. BTW: What kind of mileage do you get now? 21 or even 25 maybe on the highway? I averaged 17 without OD and driving hard/loaded usually.

For a normal person on a normal buget its either manual, chevy, or C5/C4. hammer is considering not even rebuilding a 21 year old transmission. You can always have the A4LD rebuilt ($1500-2000) and hope it holds for a year or two.

EDIT: For your 91...remember your t-case is either a BW 1350 (late one) or the BW 1354. You listed another number in the post. I have never heard of that one. Hoping its a typo.

Yeah it was a typo, it was like `1am after a long day lol. Before i took it off the road for a complete top end overhaul it got like 15mpg. I have no idea how much it'll get after. But i do plan on driving the piss out of it so i'd really like to have some better gas mileage. that and i'mactually going to get a manual shift t-case from a junkyard so i could just get one that worked with that.

 

[Terran]

oh and why does that thread say

A C5 will explode behind a 4.0L, unless it is rebuilt with C4 parts.

is that true? Should i get a c-4 and swap the parts?

 

[CarFreak146]

Post #9. Although, the last time I visited the thread the trans was not working right.

the tranny IS working, it just needs a new valve body, b/c its not shifting right, but that have NOTHING to do with the swap itself, the link that Rick put to my swap tells what you need to swap it and how to do it.

 

[Brian_B]

Terran: I can't answer that one completely. To my knowledge thay are almost identical inside and out. The difference I know about: Bell housing (bolts to V6-swappable), the valve body (swappable from mid 70s case fill C4), the tail shaft and tail housing (swappable to make C4 bolt to our t-cases). They are almost identical other than that. I do not have both rebuild books in front of me too see any others. maybe 410 can clear up that point.

The C5 behind my 2.9 was awesome. I could hit 65 in second gear without fear of hurting it. My A4LD wouldn't take that (even new). As far as I know, the 2.9 and the 4.0 OHV have very similar HP and torque ratings. Not like comparing the 2.9 to a 460 Big block. My humble opinion is for a daily driver it would hold up great. Mine does. I drove it hard for a long time and now my brother does (every day). If you have a built engine and really race it (my friend does) you should swap in a C4 valve body w/shift kit, a stall t-converter, and a rachet shifter. He did and is very pleased.


Carfreak: Cool. I thought there was some major problem at the last time I read it. Good deal. Swapping in a good valve body is easy to do.

 

[Hammer1]

It is a done deal. Bought the '84 Bronco II today (rollover) and will bring it home next week. The C-5 drop into my '94 explorer begins soon....

 

[Brian_B]

Awesome! Keep us posted as you go.

 

[BigDakota]

The 2.9 I had in my BII would not stand a chance against the 4.0 I have in my X-Sport if I would have pitted them against each other!!!

I agree on beefing up the C-5 with the guts of a C-4......If you cannot afford it...well...Next time...It all depends on how you drive and how severe you 4-wheel in it!! You can make it last as a pavement queen..You will at least have the conversion in place for the next tranny swap when the C-5 gets tired!!!

 

[Hammer1]

This Bronco II has the 2.8....how much HP does this have?? The OHV 4.0 has about 160 or so, correct? The c-5 shouldn't fare too badly (even without a rebuild. I thought it had 92k on it, it is really 82k) Hope it is all smooth sailing.

 

[BigDakota]

Here is a ballpark of horsepower for some of Fords V6 motors....

2.8 = 115 horsepower
2.9 = 140 horsepower
3.0 = 145 horsepower
4.0 = 160 horsepower

The 3.0 and 4.0 had a little more horsepower depending on the automatic/manual transmission, model of vehicle etc.!!!!

 

[Brian_B]

20 horse is not a lot of difference to that trans. Its behind a lot of 2.9s now. Its a lot stronger than the very weak A4LD ford put behind them. I am still wondering if the C5 will bolt up to the 4.0 SOHC. I have a spare. I suppose when I blow the 5R55E, I will post and ask someone if its the same block or bolt pattern. I doubt (in stock form) it would hold very well behind the 4.0 SOHC since its supposed to be in the neighborhood of 207 horse.

 

[Terran]

Well if i need the tail shaft and tail housing i suppose i should get the C-4 and the C-5 at the same time.

 

[410Fortune]

okay okay hold on guys.
The C5 is ALOT stronger then the A4LD. The C5 needs to be rebuilt with updated parts when put behind the 4.0L because:
age

Now you can bolt it up and run it for sure, personally I think the C5/4 is cheap enough to go through and replace the soft parts, etc before installing it, new torque converter as well. You could always use a bolt in working C5 just to get you going then rebuild another spare and swap them out.

The hot setup is a reverse manual valve body C4 with all the available upgrades, you can purchase a fully built c4 like this for under $1000 with core. This means you would do the shifting from 1-2-D, so a floor shifter is your best bet.

The c5 in stock form will handle the 265 ft lbs of torque the stock OHV 4.0L makes yes, but no way am I going to go through the trouble of bolting one up unless it has been rebuilt first, I mean its from an 84 BII that has sat for who knows how long after it was rolled with umpteen miles on it. You can rebuild a C4 yourself in the garage with only a few special tools, simple, strong, good trans.


T case and OD options, well I never got that far! hahaha

 

[Terran]

wait, the pushrod 4.0 makes 220ft-lbs of torque doesn't it?