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I am trying to collect any info on repairs anyone has had on their '96-up Control Trac t-cases. I am looking for descriptions of problems and what parts were replaced (part #'s if possible). I am collecting all the info I can on this subject as well as recearching the ratcheting noise the case developes under deceleration. Any info you can provide will be appreciated and possibly go toward helping find the answer as to why these cases fail.

P.S. I only need responces from thoes who's t-cases were repaired, if you had a problem and your t-case was replaced with a new one you do not need to respond.

Thanks!
 



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95's cannot answer?

The 95 uses the the BW4405 TC also.
 






I wasn't sure if the '95 used the 4405 or not. So, if you have a '95 and can help, your info is more than welcome.
 






bump!

I know there are some of you out there that are holding back on me. If you have any info please, I need any info you can provide.
 






Mike I know Gerald's failed on him, and Michigander's did too. Mine has a problem with engaging and disengaging harshly. There is a TSB on it. Also JOT017 has the same problem I have. Hope that helps.
 






Transfer case problems? Am I limited to just one?
'97 Explorer XL, BW4405 control trac. To sum it up in one word: JUNK!!!!!

July 2000; 72,000mi; purchased vehicle
Aug 2000; 73,000mi; transfer case went out - dealer replaced with used transfer case (BW4405 F77). $400
Dec 2000; 85,000mi; transmission lost low gear. $1250
Sep 2001; 115,000mi; transfer case went out - whirring on decelleration/going down hill. O/D light blinking; rebuilt transfer case - replaced bearings, seals, main shaft, gears, oil pump, shift fork, etc...; shift fork was broken along with the alignment tab on oil pump. Many metal shavings. $485
Sep 2001; 115,200mi; transfer case went out - whirring on decelleration/going down hill. Rebuilt transfer case - shift fork broken. $310
Sep 2001; Still in parking lot of 4x4 off road center. Replaced broken shift fork. $185
Oct 2001; 116,000mi; transfer case went out - whirring on decelleration/going down hill. Had to shift to 4Low to get away from stop light. Stuck in 4Low. I figured if the brain donors that rebuilt it before could do it, I could give it a try. Broken shift fork - $36 (still in progress - not enough time)

Total $ spent: approx $2700
Total down time: approx 9 months

Let me know what you come up with!!!!
 






quietone,
Thanks for the responce. That is the exact problem the t-case I replaced has. I will definatley informe everyone as soon as I determine what the problem is.
 






mrboyle... rather than copy and pasting my info into a huge mess, I will just send you the link to my problem.
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My 97 Eddie B is making the same ratcheting/whirring noise upon decleration. It looks like I need a new transfer case I guess.
 






My 97 Explorer is in the shop right now with the same problem. Loud whirring when decelerating at speeds greater than 50. Mechanic, who's been trustworthy so far, is replacing transfer case with a rebuilt and 90 day warranty. The shop providing the rebuilt claims there's little difference in the t-cases from 1997 through 2002 and that the rebuilt should last. We'll see....
 






Would this noise be like a fan going on? sounds like it coming from the transmission/engine area? and by giving it a bit of gas it goes away? This is the problem I have had for quite a while, at first it was very intermittent and used to go away with hitting the gas pedal - the garage/Ford Dealer could never find anything wrong. Then it happened too often and in heavy traffic on the motorway one day, the noise stayed on until I pulled off and it remained at very low speeds until I stopped. Putting the drive into park didn't stop the vehicle from moving and when I restarted the engine I couldn't get it into reverse. After being towed home - If moved it and it seemed to 'reset' itself. I have been limited to local driving and its in the garage now - they have heard the noise and are investigating - looking at starting with drive shafts with the worst scenario being a new gearbox - estimated at £3500 (approx $5300).
 






Incidently - its on a 98 Explorer, purchased Oct 99 with 13000 miles, its now 4 years old with 45000 miles (noise started around a year ago) - surely I shouldn't be getting these sort of problems yet!
 






I don't remember how many miles the X I worked on had on it, but is was somewhere around 50K. The problem (IMHO) is caused by a design flaw related to the auto 4wd. I have yet to determine exactly what the problem is, but I hope to some day.
 






With the help of this web site and a more helpful Ford dealer, I finally got my X fixed - a new/recon transfer case that in total has cost me almost £3000 ($4500).

As this started while it was under warranty and finally got fixed out of warranty, due to the original dealer not finding the fault or following my instructions to take it on faster roads to hear the noise; I want to see if I can reclaim the costs from Ford, backdated to the warranty or pursue them on a possible design/inherent fault. It was 32000 miles when the noise started to appear and 45000 miles when the TC was replaced - surely this part should have lasted longer.

Jason 25 mentioned a TSB on it and I have emailed him to find out where I can get to see these TSB's (as my Ford dealer didn't find any when speaking with Ford Tech'ees).

Is there any info anywhere on how many of these have failed? I think I will probably have a bit of a battle with Ford to try and recoup my money, so any info would be gratefully received.

Thanks
Mick Montgomery
 






I don't think there is any information anywhere that can give you even an estimate of how many of these t-cases have failed, but I can tell you that it isn't uncommon. Almost every Ford mechanic I have spoken with has said he has seen more than one X with this problem. Glad to hear you were able to get your X fixed, and good luck with your quest to stick it to Ford.
 






I didn't experience the noise most of you did, but I'll vent a bit about my blessed ControlTrac case. Right now my 99 is at the dealer having the case replaced. Only 61k miles on it. At about 30k miles the front output seal died. I took it to a dealer to get it fixed under warranty. When they took the case apart they found that a tooth on one of the chain sprockets was laying in the bottom of the case. Nice. They fixed that and I was ok for a while. After that I noticed a couple times when the truck would go into 4 high while in auto mode and stay there, without any indicator lights- I only noticed when going around corners and the extra hum you get from time to time at regular speeds. Back to the dealer, but they reported NTF. Fast forward to 61k miles- on a recent trip I noticed I was again stuck in 4 high. I couldn't get out of it. I went to a new dealer (because I had moved) and they said my shift motor was bad. They replaced it, but said I was still stuck in 4 high. They took the case apart and showed me what was inside... Lots of bits and pieces ground up everywhere. There was plenty of fluid, but somehow the clutch actuator got skewed at about 5 degrees on the shaft and held the clutch engaged. Part of the case around the rear output had sheared off and been ground up, the filter was sliced all the way up the side and was completely covered with fine metal particles. There was also a collection of ground up bits in the bottom of the case, as well as some sticking out of the clutch pack. Really nice. The whole thing is shot. Almost $2k for a new one installed. I'm not terribly thrilled. This is a common thing?
 






Oh Sh**t I have the same problem, that whizzing noise that sounds ike a jet engine overhead !
But at least I have found some others with the same symptoms, so now to find a transfer case from somewhere !

ChrisK
97 SOHC 4Litre with 94000miles
 






2k to get a new t-case installed!? ouch. i dont know how much a new t-case runs but 2k sounds like a lot. i had the t-case go on both my 96 and my 97. the chain (i beleive) started slipping on my 96 sport after i may or maynot have submerged the truck in a jersey shore water hole. and the tod clutch started slipping on my 97.
also lizardtrac is having a problem with his t-case. under heavy loads the tod clutch starts slipping and the front wheels wont turn. I got a BW 1354 manual shift t-case from a ranger and put that in my truck. i have to say its one of the best mods ive ever done on my truck. I like having a semi-real t-case as opposed to a t-case with synchros and clutch packs.
 






Mine just cost me 851 UK pounds..................I am too depressed to work it out in US$ But I also had a 94K mile service and that was 837 UK pounds and I supplied some of the parts myself
Best Regards
Chris
 



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BW 4405 ratcheting

Hi Mike, I’m posting from Argentina, South America. This is my first post and I hope it could be of some help about the topic of 4405 transfer case ratcheting. I found an article on the Web, written by Mike Weinberg (President, Rockland Standard Gear Inc.) which reads as follows:

“This unit is prone to certain mechanical problems that are beyond the scope of most shops to repair. The most common mechanical failure is a complaint of a loss of drive accompanied by a ratcheting noise coming from the transfer case during coast or deceleration or when in reverse. Careful questioning of the driver will reveal that this condition was preceded by an occasional thump form the transfer case at a constant road speed of 40-60 mph. When you disassemble the transfer case you will find that the range hub and range fork will be damaged, but replacing these items will not solve the problem. The range hub is helical cut gearing and will stay in mesh under load, but will move out on coast due to the thrust loads generated by the helical design. Adding power will cause the gear to return to the correct position. The bottom of the teeth get chewed up and the constant pressure on the fork causes it to burn up. The real cause of this problem is an offset in the centerline distance, putting the shift rail at an angle, which allows the range fork to move out of position. The cases are magnesium and we do considerable machine work to correct this problem, which is beyond the equipment found in the average shop. If you see units with this damage, you will usually see oblong holes in the cases where the shift rail rides. It is cheaper and more efficient to buy a unit that has this problem corrected than to tackle it yourself”.

My Explorer is a 1996 XLT, 4.0 V6, 5 sp. Mazda manual. Bought it on 1998 with 37,500 miles, now it has 100,000. Transfer case is a BW 4405 Control Trac. This failure has happened to me twice, and it is just like described above: loud thump when on the road at 50 mph, then ratcheting sound during deceleration and sometimes on reverse. The first time it happened I had to replace the range hub, fork, electric clutch coil and casing, oil pump, chain, bearings and seals. In your first post you asked for part numbers involved, here they are as per local Ford Parts Dealer invoice:

F77Z - 7100 AA - Hub Reduction
F57Z - 7289 A - Fork Assembly
1L2Z - 7G362 AA - Clutch casing
F57Z - 7G361 A - Clutch coil
XL2Z - 7A029 AA - Chain
F57Z - 7A149 A - Pump
F57Z - 7A098 A - Pump filter
E3TZ - 7025 A - Bearing
F57Z - 7025 A - Bearing
F57Z - 7127 A - Bearing
E3TZ - 7120 A - Bushing
F3TZ - 7B215 A - Seal

Now here it goes again: A loud thump, then the ratcheting. Knowing the drill, I changed the ATF as a preventive measure and took from the draining hole a little bit of aluminum (oil pump alignment tab?), another little bit of steel sheet (chain?) and some steel shavings. No copper residue so I hope the electric clutch is good, but range hub and fork are going in for sure. Well, now I’m facing the second repair and don’t want to waste money, time and expectancies anymore. I’ll consider alternatives carefully.

As far as I know, there are no rebuilts available down here, so my options should be:

1) Swapping to a brand new electric BW 1354: VERY expensive but perhaps definitive solution. However, I don’t know if it is possible to cheat the GEM since a 1354 has no front and rear Hall effect sensors and no Torque-On-Demand clutch. Seems like a high risk of diagnostic trouble codes popping up. Also, I’m not sure if the speedometer would work.

2) Repairing the 4405: If Mr. Weinberg is right (and I believe he is) it is useless to replace any parts if the hole offset in the casing is not corrected first. I have learned it the hard way. But he discourages about doing the correction yourself, because “we do considerable machine work... beyond the equipment found in the average shop”. I find it difficult to send my t-case to Mr. Weinberg for rebuilding, so I must imagine how to work this out. Two options come to my mind:

a) Redrilling the hole to a slightly larger measure (if casing thickness allows it) then inserting a thin bushing into it. This should be cheap and absolutely not beyond the equipment found in the average shop.

b) Filling the hole with electric arc welding, then redrilling it to proper measure. This could be a much better fix, but it is definitely reserved to a very qualified welder, since a wrong practice could create cracks that would render the casing unusable and this may be the reason why Weinberg warns “The cases are magnesium”.

Whatever the choice, one is still to figure out where the center point to redrill the hole is. Tough job without a blueprint of the casing. If it is not drilled in the right position, the shift rail would be at an angle again and everything back at the start situation.

Well, I’m still stuck on the ideas phase. I would really appreciate your comments on this failure and potential corrective methods. Thank you very much in advance and sorry for the long post.

Luis
 






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