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Door panel and rear panel removal help, audio

CapnMorganXX

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Hey guys,

Looking to do a full audio install on my 2011 Limited explorer. Added a component sub and component 6x9s/6.5s. Any ideas on how to remove the door panels and rear right panel to access the speaker, subs, and amp?
 



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Hey there!

Here is a link for the panels around the subwoofer. Deewan is attempting a subwoofer upgrade and the info there should prove useful.

Keep us posted on how it all goes. A few of us are interested in getting the sound system to sound better than what rolls off the factory floor.

Happy driving :)
 






any ideas how to get the doors off and access the speakers? How about adding an external amp, possibly 5 channel instead of the existing sony amp. I was thinking of having the Sony amp drive the center channel, then swap out the existing speakers and tweeters.

I'd also like to retain the existing sub running off of the sony amp so when I remove the new sub for cargo room, I don't lose all my bass.

Summary what I'd like to do.

2011 Ex Limited

Sony amp runs:
Center Channel
Stock Subwoofer

New amp runs:
front speakers and tweeters (will all be replaced)
rear speakers and tweeters (will all be replaced)
external boxed subwoofer

What kind of hardware am I going to need to hook this up to the MFT system? Line out converters? EQs? I'm pretty experienced at hooking up aftermarket head units and systems, but never retained the stock system.
 






I have no idea, to any of your questions... I am not a stereo guy, but maybe deewan might see this thread and give you some opinions. :)
 






HEY! Guess who stumbled across this thread? It always seems I am in Vince's shadows, lurking slowly behind his every move. :)

FYI, I used to be into car audio in high school, but that was 15 years ago. My true expertise is in room acoustics for Home Theater design and stereo loudspeaker design. So my car audio though process follows an home audio path.

From the wiring diagram I've seen, all speakers seem to be powered from that Sony amp. It has 8 output channels (driver door, passenger door, driver second row door, passenger second row door, driver pillar, passenger pillar, center channel, dual voice coil sub). It is my opinion that the factory system is fine, for what it is. But there is plenty of room for improvement. Many improvements can be done while keeping the existing wiring and amps.

First, the bass. Don’t assume you need to add an external sub enclosure to get more bass. I am swapping out the driver (Vince linked my thread above) but keeping the stock box. This will provide more low end since the Sony driver in their now begins to fall apart at/below 40Hz. By 30Hz, it’s almost worthless. Not to mention it is very muddy sounding. The Rockford driver I am planning on using will work fine with the factory amp, but will only see about 30 watts per channel. That amount of power is fine if you always drive with the windows rolled up, but in the summer when you are cruising down the strip and the windows are open, not enough power. So, a beefier 2-channel amp is ideal. A new driver in the stock location with more power will make a HUGE difference and allow you to keep all your cargo area.

Once you increase and clean up the bass, the system will be quite a bit better overall. Next you could increase the system more with speaker upgrades. The component speakers in the front doors would be my target. The stock tweeters are bad and the woofers are a paper cone with poly dust cap. And don’t even get me started on the crossover network (or lack thereof) Blah! If you want to keep the stock amp, find something with a high speaker sensitivity and lower end power consumption and the stock amp should be just fine and still yield a good improvement.

If you want more upgrades after that, go after the amp (Leave speakers in 2nd row alone for now). Find a 5-channel amp to power all doors and the subwoofer. But know that once you start replacing the amps, any speakers left on the factory amp (Center channel and rear pillars) may not be able to keep up once the volume goes up. You won’t hurt anything, but their performance may be just above not being there at all.

I don’t’ suggest much with the 2nd row or rear pillar speakers because of their location. Driver and passenger will almost never hear their performance. Even second row passengers won’t hear much detail from them because they are near their feet and several feet in the back of the cargo area. Sound coming from them is bouncing off legs, cloths, floor mats, windows… A lot of audio quality is lost before sound from those speakers reaches the listeners ears. Those speakers give you the least amount of return on your investment.
If you will be replacing the factory amp, you will most likely need a level convertor. They don’t cost much, maybe $50-$120. Then the cost of the amps. Which is why I suggest replacing speakers first. You may be able to get the sound you won’t without having to re-wire or spend extra money on amps, wires, signal processors. That’s my opinion and what I am going after first. I’ve seen it a million times in home audio. Take a $100 stereo receiver and play music through $100 speakers. Average sound. Spend $500 on a stereo receiver and use $100 speakers and get average sound. But spend $200 on a stereo $500 on speakers, and you get great sound.

WOW! Longest post ever. Congrats if you made it this far.
 






Hehe, deewan you crack me up. You may be lurking in my shadow (lol), but you are the one with the knowledge! :)
 






Deewan,

So what exactly are you saying? :D

Another question, since I replaced my stock radio with an 8 track player, if I spend $500 on new speakers to add to it that I'll have great sound?
 






No, you won't have great sound, you will have GROOVY sound! :D

Now...where are my platform shoes and my ABBA 8 track cassette?
 






Deewan,

So what exactly are you saying? :D

Another question, since I replaced my stock radio with an 8 track player, if I spend $500 on new speakers to add to it that I'll have great sound?

We'll, you could have great sound with your 8-track, or at least better sound than what you had prior to your upgrade. :) All kidding aside, if you are listening to the highly compressed songs played on Sirius, or mp3's that are not lossless, and even FM radio that isn't HD, your media could be causing your poor sound.

Your newly installed 8-track player could provide a better source than Sirius radio and some mp3's. :thumbsup:
 












Awesome post! Thanks alot.

I was assuming the 8 inch woofer wouldn't cut it compared to a 12. I was thinking about running an external mono amp for a 12 inch, and maintaining the 8 inch woofer..who knows maybe I will replace the 8 inch with something better AND add a 12. Best of both worlds then.

If I replace the stock tweeters and speakers in the front, any idea what size the tweeters are? Would I have to surface mount new ones or could I use the existing hole.

I'll post pics once I get this thing done.
 






Adding a 12 inch sub and an external amp is an option. but like I said, if you upgrade the 8-inch driver to a beter quality (almost anything aftermarket) that will help with bass. Also, add some poly-fill inside the exisiting sub enclosure.

I forget the factory tweeter size. I BELIEVE they were 1-inch tweeters. Depending on the speakers you buy, you should be able to use the exisitng locations and keep everything stock. Sometimes you need to use a Dremel and make minor changes behind the door panels.
 






Upgrading all speakers - leave the radio as is

Adding a 12 inch sub and an external amp is an option. but like I said, if you upgrade the 8-inch driver to a beter quality (almost anything aftermarket) that will help with bass. Also, add some poly-fill inside the exisiting sub enclosure.

I forget the factory tweeter size. I BELIEVE they were 1-inch tweeters. Depending on the speakers you buy, you should be able to use the exisitng locations and keep everything stock. Sometimes you need to use a Dremel and make minor changes behind the door panels.

Deewan,
You seem to be "the man" when it comes to upgrading the existing speakers in the Explorer. I just joined the forum and the Ford family this week with a 2013 Explorer XLT (with 202A package - includes the "Premium Soundsystem").

I am not real happy with the sound quality and was thinking about replacing all of the speakers and adding a sub (8 or 10 inch). I want to leave the head unit (radio) as is. It would be too big of a project to mess with the dash.

Any suggestions you or anyone on the Forum could make would be greatly appreciated. I am ok with adding a sub like the JL Audio Stelthbox http://www.jlaudio.com/car-audio-stealthbox-ford-explorer-ford-explorer-4dr-11-up but am unsure about the other speaker options.

I would like to be able to replace the speakers without having to add an amp for them. The sub of course will need an amp. I just unsure if the radio can push power to speakers with more wattage than the stock ones.

Specs on my speakers are (I do not know the radio specs)
Premium Plus 9 Speak 100W
-2x Door Handle Tweeter 25W 80hms (Size: 1")
-2x Front Door Fe Midwoofer 25W 40hms (Size: 6x9")
-2x Rear Door Fe Full Range 25W 40hms (Size: 6.5")
-2x 3rd Row Fe Midrange 25W 160hms (Size: 80mm)
-1x IP Center Channel Fe 25W 80hms (Size: 80mm)




Thanks,
John
 






John, I don't want to hijack this thread and my response is fairly long. So I will reply in my audio thread.

My thread
 






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