Easy Stealth Sub Mount Idea

[expo5.0]

1. i'm not much of one for spl biasing in car audio in my own vehicles, but spl is certainly a lot more than who spent the most money.

2. you ever think the reason people spend money on their car stereos is because they are in their car a lot? no one is making any claims that their car stereo is cheaper or sounds better than anyone's home stereo. if youu want to argue about who's home stereo sounds better or who's car stereo sounds better- don't (i've got you covered).

3. this is a crappy idea done pretty darn well- lets just all move on and hope that those who might try this idea don't in the future.

 

[nuttyopossum]

hate to tell you but sound competitions are for the most part who has the biggest components. I understand that the way its designed takes part in it, but for spl, someone with 200 watts wont compete with someone that has 2000.

Why hope someone else doesnt try it? If its suffiecient for this application, why shouldnt someone else whos looking for the same thing do it as well?

One more time, deflate your head a bit buddy.

 

[pj8847]

hate to tell you but sound competitions are for the most part who has the biggest components. I understand that the way its designed takes part in it, but for spl, someone with 200 watts wont compete with someone that has 2000.

Why hope someone else doesnt try it? If its suffiecient for this application, why shouldnt someone else whos looking for the same thing do it as well?

One more time, deflate your head a bit buddy.

Unfortunately there are people in this world who will do what they can to try and make themselves feel far more superior than the others around them, I have two words for that, "birth control", and the parents of these people should have used it.

Your idea is a good one, seeing you weren't going for "show" quality sound and it appears that YOU have acomplished getting the added boost to your system you were looking for. If it indeed helps someone else to have a better idea of what to do given the situation of space versus sound, then all is good. That's why you posted it in the first place.

Anyone not interested in your idea has no reason to personally attack you for it, and to basically ridicule you for where you may work is completely out of line. So they won trophies, no need for that banter as well, just obviously overcompensating for THEIR shortcomings by advertising it, making themselves feel better because "they got you covered"

Good work on the setup, and good job holding your own against the narrowminded.

 

[nuttyopossum]

uh, i love you? lol jk. Thanks man, its good to know I'm not crazy sometimes.

 

[ntrpriz]

I liked your idea and may even modify it for use in my 2005!

Im sure it wont give me "perfect bass", but its gonna be loads better than stock.

 

[expo5.0]

personal attacks?

reread it. who made the personal attacks?

 

[nuttyopossum]

Good to hear ntrpriz. So far I'm still very happy with how it ended up, hope it does the same for you.

Expo, i consider someone telling me to get a clue to be a personal attack and aparently I'm not the only one.

 

[terdrocket]

Bottom line - Sh!tty idea, but you did a good job cutting and routing the face plate. It looked good, but NO sub is supposed to be installed like that. Now if you fiberglass the interior of that panel, sound deaden the body panels, and seal the two surfaces together, then you got something.

Some here have used the "free air sub" defense. This wasn't even a free air set up.

Not trying to rag on you. I just hate to see good effort go to waste and yield only a fraction of the results possible with just a little more effort/couple more steps.

Its like lifting a truck 3" and putting on 28" street tires. Or building a crate motor and just putting plug wires on 4 cylinders.

 

[nuttyopossum]

Yeah, like I said many times before though. This wasnt for booming, I don't need it to be supreme. The speakers arent amped and I just wanted to fill in bass. Not have bass overkill. Music just doenst sound right with too much bass. (I supose it depends on the type of music but even still) I had a huge setup before, I don't want to go any more deaf.

 

[Longjohn119]

You've gopt me cornered on home stereo huh Expo ....

I have a recording studio in my home which includes speakers you can't even buy anywhere because they are custom made and designed ... in fact nearly everything in my studio is custom designed and built, from the mixing boards to the power amps, to the crossovers, to the guitar amps,(I also customize and build guitars amps for several guitar players from bands like Tesla and lesser known Blues artists like Indigenous) my studio is a slightly modified LEDE design (ceiling is short by 1 foot of official specs) and you won't find a better sounding listening room outside of an official LEDE studio or Lucas Sound ....

The ONLY thing you've got Son is your willie in your hand ...

Now STROKE ...

 

[nuttyopossum]

 

[expo5.0]

sounds good.

i like what i have, you like whatever you've got. anyone can say they have anything over the internet.

 

[nuttyopossum]

So you are arguing that him sayhing he has better stuff than you is pointless...

Interesting, you were the first one to say you had him covered in home audio.

Hypocrite anyone?

 

[expo5.0]

that isn't what i said. we all know what i have in my car (at least i think we do since that is in the public domain). as for in home stuff- all i'm saying is unless he wants to start posting pictures of his house i'm not gonna either (although it would be embarassing because its a crap hole apartment other than the audio stuff), and until then what is the point? hell, what is really the point then? i'm sure i can find a picture of a house that has a nicer system on the internet than anything he can post... its a lot easier to sift through the bs when it comes to whats in hte truck (because people have seen it in progress and seen it in person) than bs about in home stuff.

 

[Longjohn119]

Dave, I'm done arguing with the Trust Fund Kiddie and all around Frat Brat ...

Some people are just better off left ignored ...

See the difference between him and I is when I need something, I design and build it, he gets Mommy and Daddy to cut him a check ....

I came on this forum to ask about the stock subwoofer and amp and none of these 'experts' could give me an answer so I measured the speaker and amp myself ... I only stuck around to help those who don't have megabucks get the most from what they have, to give them 30 years of experience building speakers, amps and to cut through the marketing BS (When they stop rating amps and speakers in 'peak watts' I'll start taking them a little more seriously) that is so prevelent in this sector of electronics

 

[expo5.0]

your obviously a newbie.

check out my build-up pics for my truck.

its all been done out of a one car garage and with tools pieced together on $800 a month paychecks from my job as a teachers aide and the money i've made installing for other people. this includes everything from a new cam, air bag suspension (well not in my own garge, but my work), all the fibeglass on my truck etc. etc...

there are a lot of ways i can be attacked (i know my limitations) but accusing me of having mommy and daddy cutting me a check for everything is ridiculous given the 40 hrs a weak i've spent physically working on my truck for the last 18 months.

 

[terdrocket]

Lets get beyond all the bs, ignorance and personal attacks.

Longjohn, what speaker brands do you prefer?
I'm talking raw drivers, not store bought pre-made.
What type of tweeter do you like best?
Do you have a design you like best? (cabinet shape, # of drivers, etc.)
Where do you buy from?

I ask for information, not to criticize or compare.
I currently bought some drivers, bought prebuilt crossovers (not ready to try and build some yet) and plan to build the enclosures. This is for a modest 1st attempt at a custom home theater system, with upgrades as ability and $$ allows.

With the number of brands out there its overwhelming.


This isnt not topic, but this thread derailed a while ago.

 

[Longjohn119]

You can't go wrong with Audax woofers or tweeters ... I prefer JBL and EV drivers for pro sound ... this doesn't mean you can't make excellent sounding speakers with other brands, even cheap ones can exceed a store bought system which are usually full of 'beancounter' compromises like cab size and materials, crossovers, etc ... a tip for making your crossovers work as designed in to use a Zoebel network (a bi-polar cap and a resistor) but you'll be to make or obtain an impedance vs frequency curve for your woofer, this will keep you impedance constant out past your crossover frequency so it crosses over at the desired frequency (The JBL/Ford door speaker have one in their crossovers, which is the place most manufacturer beancounters cheat 1st)

My studio monitor's woofers are an old set of Altec Lansing drivers rebuilt (spider and surround) by a JBL factory authorized reconer ... most people immediatley poo-poo them because they don't have a huge ceramic magnet you see today but have a 'horseshoe' style magnet that use Alnico .... Alnico is a premium rare earth magnet and is very powerful so it doesn't need to be large, ceramic on the other hand is cheap manmade but you need a relatively large size to get the same magnetic power .. alnico is still used but in small magnet assemblies in guitar pickups and some tweeters ... it's too expensive for use in woofers, although there may be some at the extreme high end

The midrange drivers are audax 4 1/2" mid woofers really made for the woofers in a satellite/subwoofer system and have there own 'cabinet in a cabinet' and are highly damped

The tweeters are late 80's/early 90's Infinity 1" domes which aren't the best but do sound good and since I got them and some smaller Infinity tweeters when they discontinued them, they can't be beat at a cost vs performance aspect

The crossovers are custom designed and tweaked over a period of several months, the goal of the speakers are to be as flat as possible and are tuned to the room.

The cabinets are huge and were once used as slant stage monitors for the band Blackfoot and were given to me in the early 80's by Ricky Medlocke when a band I was in opened for them in Minneapolis in return for some work I did on his toasted the night before Marshall amp (Plus I'm part Dakota Indian and he is Blackfoot so we formed a bond on that also) They are hung from the ceiling and are so big I doubt I could even fit them both in the back of my 91 4 door Explorer ... it makes them very efficient and they have more output with 50 watts than most do with 100 or more watts ... a 93 db speaker sensitivity will be twice as loud as an 87 db sensitivity for the same watts used to drive them which is also why you need so many watts to drive the inefficient (but small cabinet) autosound subwoofers

I also have some smaller JBL nearfield monitors and two sets of Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 on my computer which are an amazing sounding amplified speaker for the price and I am using them in experimenting with surround sound mixing ... I have some drivers for making a surround system using the D'Appolito 3/2 design with the Linkwitz-Riley 2nd order allpass active crossover for the satellites, never did decide what I was going to use for the subwoofer design ... who knows when (if) I'll get around to building them, my latest passion (besides recording,palying guitar and fishing) is designing shortwave receivers

 

[izackary]

Nuttyo: Don't mind Expo, eventually he might offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism *ahem*..... I'd recommend if you're keeping your infinite baffle, stuff the heck out of your former cargo pocket with some polyfill. I know you prefer your infinity pricing, but Pioneer has had an infinite baffle sub around for some time.

just a couple thoughts...

 

[snowburns]

One last time, this is merely an ideato be toyed with for anyone looking to do what I am without spending hundreds or the hassle of removing the panel and spending weeks planning and building a box that fits a sub half the size.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't take hundreds of dollars and weeks planning and building a box that goes in that hole. But then again, what would I know, it only took me two evenings to do mine...and I used scrap wood lying around. Even if I didn't have that, it wouldn't have been more than $40...It's not the cleanest install, but it's not a show truck.

You can also put a small riser on it to be able to mount that deeper sub....