Easy Stealth Sub Mount Idea

[nuttyopossum]

No they don't...

I got an idea, lets just all be ****s!

 

[jimbo74]

No they don't...

I got an idea, lets just all be ****s!

hi welcome to the site. this is a family oriented site so please do not use words like this. I am sure a moderator would be more than happy to chastise you for it, as a blantant disregard for forum ploicy that you agreed to when you signed up.....


also very tight tolernaces meaning airtight... as i stated before, not even close, its plastic cliped into metal.... unless you EPOXY THE 2 material together there is no way that area will ever be anywhere close to airtight... lets say a pinhole was in a boat, over time that 1/32" pinhole would make that boat sink.....

 

[nuttyopossum]

I didn't say it was completly airtight. I said it was sufficiently tight. How could I argue its completly airtight if it can have a gap. My argument is that its tight enough for this type of setup. You all seem to have misunderstood me. This is fine for filling in bass. But I would never argue its better than some huge setup. And like I also said, its an idea that can be toyed with by people who want a deeper sub in that area. Toy with means make more airtight if they want more performance than what I need perhaps.... Excuse me for what I said, I tried to be nice, but I don't find how everyone else was treating me to be very nice either. This wasnt posted so I could have my opinions made fun of, or me for that matter. It was a post to give people an idea to play with if they wanted. Maybe I just wont contribute anymore. Excuse me.

 

[IAmTodd]

I know jack about car audio, and even I would think this sounds like crap. There is nothing supporting it. And the amount of rattles its going to make is going to be insane. I say build a normal box and stuff back there.

 

[nuttyopossum]

No rattles, fills in fine, and that panel easily supports it without flexing at all. How does the 4" deep sub sound? Probably about the same as mine, but I only spent less than $20 on supplies where you probably bought that box for 1 - 3 hundred. My argument is just that it sounds better than stock, so if you want to argue that, then you have to argue that im deaf.

 

[Blee1099]

Alright everybody settle down. I've pondered the idea of making a fake floor enclosure for a set of subs. You figure with a 3" lift I have plenty of space even more if I remove the metal bracketry for the spare tire.

 

[tmh6202]

Nuttyopposum,

I do not think the intent of people was to be mean to you. The name calling is uncalled for. As for your idea, as I said earlier, I have no doubt that you like the sound of your system, and that is all that matters. I think that we all read what you wrote, took what we read and commented on it. No harm done there, you probably won't lose any sleep over it, I know I won't.

If you like it leave it. I don't have too and neither does anyone else here, but AGAIN, if you like thats cool.

And as a final thought, just re-read your post and I think you'll see why people thought you were making some claims that could not be true, just by the nature of physics...and they called you on it. I would expect that, this is the nature of forums like this, people put forth an opinion and the rest of us jump on it, good or bad, it is the way it works.

 

[Brandons]

Do you think if you had good speakers hanging from the roof of the explorer with a good amp, it would probably sound better then stock wouldnt it? lol


The idea here is like me putting another stock amplifier in mine, just something to play around with. It is probably no hassel for him at all, and hell any sub-woofer is better then none. If it rattled anything he could turn it down.. I wont take sides here, but i do alot of useless crap.. just for fun.

 

[tmh6202]

Do you think if you had good speakers hanging from the roof of the explorer with a good amp, it would probably sound better then stock wouldnt it? lol


The idea here is like me putting another stock amplifier in mine, just something to play around with. It is probably no hassel for him at all, and hell any sub-woofer is better then none. If it rattled anything he could turn it down.. I wont take sides here, but i do alot of useless crap.. just for fun.

Nothing wrong with that, I think we all, or have all done it at one time or another. That is what gets us to think about new design, systems and other crap.

 

[terdrocket]

Too bad explorers don't have a rear shelf behind the seats like a car.

It makes for a great place to wedge some 6x9s.

 

[tmh6202]

Too bad explorers don't have a rear shelf behind the seats like a car.

It makes for a great place to wedge some 6x9s.

In cardboard boxes that take up most of the viewable window space!

 

[shaggsta]

So about a year ago, I met up with my sister, after she had spent a year working at an NGO in Afghanistan. She was kind enough to bring me a few souveneirs... one of which is a horse whip used by local horse racers (which is a pretty big sport down there). Having read this post, I have decided to retrieve the whip from my closet because I think it would be a useful tool in the beating of this dead horse...

 

[have2goski]

in regards to him using an open air sub nutty said...

Yes, the 10" kappa perfect can be used either way due to a removable insert.

my understanding is if the equipment he is using for this setup is capable of running as an open air sub there is absolutely nothing wrong with his setup. It functions as it should, it fills in the base and it is cost effective.

of course he left out the cost of acquiring a sub that can perform as an open air woofer.

the "enclosure" is not air tight, not even close, but as an open air sub, it doesn't need to be. now if you put a sub in there that was suppose to be in a sealed enclosure than perhaps he would be getting results closer to what everyone is expecting it to sound like.

these forums really aren't about attacking eachother, so please do not be discourgaed by this thread. Some people just get burned up by what they think are 'false' claims even though they don't necessarily have your setup in hand to test themselves.

You have to remember there was a time when those who thought the world was round were the village idiots

 

[Longjohn119]

Hey if it sounds good to you well that is all that matters

Let the fools waste thousands of dollars on a car audio system that can never sound as good as a well designed home system in a reasonably large room at a tenth the cost ...

Most car audio is hype and marketing and nothing but a lame status symbol for the owners to have to make up for what they don't have in their pants or their heads ...

Or you can just throw more money at the 'problem' and make the others happy .... that's what they really want, justification for the money they spent and you didn't ...

Fact is some of the best sounding speaker systems don't even use an enclosure ... don't believe then ask a REAL expert on sound ,,,, http://www.linkwitzlab.com/

 

[therise21]

nice work. and it looks clean too.

 

[Saleen_SR71]

Let the fools waste thousands of dollars on a car audio system that can never sound as good as a well designed home system in a reasonably large room at a tenth the cost ...

i like my system how it is (like you said thousands invested, but not over kill like most), and when i hear a serin in a song i get scared because it sounds so real (stock doors mind you) so i look around to see if theres a cop but theres nothing.

^^ thats when you know you have your setup tuned right, where everything sounds live.

something a lot of audio enthusiests cant acheive.

but it all goes down to preference. i wouldnt doubt that with some more work that it could be sealed, more money than is wanted to be spent, but it could be done... but will it put up with a bass heads needs? probably not.

that 10 probably sounds a lot better than the 6.5 that was in there (for some).

all i have to say is kudos to the idea

 

[cherrybomb]

i like my system how it is (like you said thousands invested, but not over kill like most), and when i hear a serin in a song i get scared because it sounds so real (stock doors mind you) so i look around to see if theres a cop but theres nothing.

^^ thats when you know you have your setup tuned right, where everything sounds live.

something a lot of audio enthusiests cant acheive.

but it all goes down to preference. i wouldnt doubt that with some more work that it could be sealed, more money than is wanted to be spent, but it could be done... but will it put up with a bass heads needs? probably not.

that 10 probably sounds a lot better than the 6.5 that was in there (for some).

all i have to say is kudos to the idea

Not to knock your system, as I'm sure it sounds fabulous, but. Even with the stock premium sound, and some not so great systems I've setup in the past, sirens always sound real in the car.

That's actually one of my pet peeves. I hate recording artists that put that stuff in there.

If you ever listen to Black Eyed Pea's "Elephunk" you'll notice all sorts of sounds that just don't belong on a CD that you play in a car.

One sound is like a squeaking accessory pulley, another sounds like a door ajar sound, and then there are subtle sirens etc.

Every time I listen to that disc, I think something is going horribly wrong somewhere in my truck. Bleh.

Now.. If you're talking about listening to Roger Waters "Amused to Death" and thinking that the howling/barking dog is just outside your truck, I'd have to agree with you.

 

[Longjohn119]

My point is there are several limitations in a car that just can't be overcome ... stereo imaging comes to mind, unless of course you move your steering wheel to the center of the car and mount your main speakers in both corners of your windshield (cops are going to love that) ...

Another is space, a 40 Hz soundwave is about 27 feet long, for **accurate** reproduction you need about half that distance between the walls or you are going to get standing waves and **modes** that will distort the sound, that's why a good studio control room is large ... instead of explaining the limitations, the so-called experts instead tell you thump and bass distortion is a good thing and award you a prize at the local "Who spent the most money" contest ..

Then there is cabin/road noise, to get a 90 db dynamic range you have to add 90 db to your road noise ... true this can be overcome at an average of 130 db or more but you'll toast your ears so bad you wouldn't know accurate sound if you heard it by age 30 ...

You shouldn't have to spend more money to listen to music than the cost of the instruments used to make the music .... give me a thousand dollars and I'll buy another guitar everytime instead of putting it in a vehicle I spend a few hours in per week ...

Personally I think Dave got more "bang for his buck" than anyone that chastized him for not playing by their rules ... Dave seems to think so too I bet

 

[TheRookie]

I dont see anything wrong with dropping a ton of money on a car audio set up. If thats what ypou want to do then do it.
LongJohn if you dont think its a good idea then shut up. Its no different putting in audio in a car than a home. If thats what you like Go for it. I am incredibly picky about sound after installing new movie theatre equipment for several years. Yet if someone likes KLH speakers I dont knock them cause its their choice and preference. For those knocking the original idea of the sub dont. Any part of anyones car audio can be chewed up by someone else for some reason or another. It may not sound great to you or I but he likes it and was trying to help others with the idea.

 

[nuttyopossum]

Finally, rational people. Thanks guys for being open minded to a new idea. To be honest when I was talking to a friend and he brought up the idea I was skeptikal too. I figured if I tried it it would have only taken up minimal effort. To my surprise it sounded a lot better than expected and is doing more than what I wanted to. Like have2goskie said, new ideas arent always accepted I guess, but you can't knock it for certain applications.

Yeah, I feel I got a hell of a bang for my buck. Granted I got the sub for free since my dad had it in his miata but ended up taking it out to save space and I sold my last system for a few hundred, but even at that the sub through my accomations wouldve only been under $100.

It is funny how guys do seem to think everyone putting in upgraded audio wants it to sound like they are 16 when they are driving down the road, and their "trophies" all of a sudden make them overlord of anyone doing any thing with audio...