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You talking about the built in universal door openers?

Yup. Homelink had capable units but FoMoCo was just too slow acquiring them. Probably didn't want to have to sell their old stock at such a loss. Maybe they figured they could stretch it a few years.
 



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Thing is not hids are equal. If what your using is just a quality hid kit in a halogen projector it's going to be bright but not quality lighting. My previous cars were a 07 Camry I started with the crappy hid kit in the halogen projector and then I upgraded to a full hid retro using Toyota Solara true hid projectors and denso ballast/bulbs. Difference was night and day but the Solara hids are considered crappy oem hids. My next car was a Highlander that I had Lexus RX350 projectors put in which are arguably among the top two hid projectors available with hella ballast and bulbs this was a huge upgrade. My last car was a Acura TL and this car had the best hids I've ever experienced the cutoff lines were crisp the output was crazy wide but they were aimed perfect as to not blind anyone. So you can say I'm a lighting snob as I've wasted thousands on retrofits over the years. I've never liked hids in the fogs because years and years back as a kid I melted some fogs pretty bad as there not made to handle that kind of heat, but mostly they just blind everyone as there typically halogen enclosures not even halogen projectors. I normally leave them off with hids because i love seeing the crisp cutoff line with the different colors but There non existent with led bulbs.

As someone that had an HID wholesale partner for years,installed hundreds of kits, owned dozens, and also worked at a shop that did installs for HIDs both "cheap" and "quality" kits, I can tell you that aftermarket HIDs are largely the same. They put different stickers on the ballasts, change the wiring, add diodes and resistors somewhere in the wiring, etc.

Quality kits often have the load leveling stuff added as mentioned above, but definitely not always. They put the same cheap kits in a fancy box (which consumer behavior studies show has an enormous impact on perceived quality). The often also reverse the polarity of the plug because Japanese cars are reversed (but they do it to order) and there is quality control in place (meaning they test before they ship). The digital ballasts (95% anyway) are all the same. The analog ballasts were all 100% the same inside, I might add that they are far more reliable as well).

With "quality" HIDs they also send you the proper color temp more often.

In short, the cheap kits differ in the following ways:

1) packaging
2) ballast stickers
3) wiring changes (primarily anti flicker and error cancelors SOMETIMES included)
4) they're tested before they arrive
5) you don't get the color temp you order 1/4 times. They ship +/- one upward or downward kelvin rating and most people are none the wiser.
6) price
7) warranty (but for most companies, good luck claiming).

I've had kits taken apart by dozens of "manufacturers".

I've placed high and low quality hid kits in the same car before and have found that the color temperature is a huge factor in how they perform. An arc of light is an arc of light. The reflectors or projectors decide how the light is projected. If there's variance other than color temperature it's because the bulb is not seated perfectly straight in the housing.

Also, a projector is (for the most part) able to project light the same regardless of bulb type. That's what they're designed for. There are good and bad projectors, however. But a projector "designed for halogens" will be perfectly fine for HIDs. In fact, most car manufacturers use the same projectors for halogen and HID applications across models and even within the same model.

LEDs vary greatly, which is starkly different.
 






As someone that had an HID wholesale partner for years,installed hundreds of kits, owned dozens, and also worked at a shop that did installs for HIDs both "cheap" and "quality" kits, I can tell you that aftermarket HIDs are largely the same. They put different stickers on the ballasts, change the wiring, add diodes and resistors somewhere in the wiring, etc.

Quality kits often have the load leveling stuff added as mentioned above, but definitely not always. They put the same cheap kits in a fancy box (which consumer behavior studies show has an enormous impact on perceived quality). The often also reverse the polarity of the plug because Japanese cars are reversed (but they do it to order) and there is quality control in place (meaning they test before they ship). The digital ballasts (95% anyway) are all the same. The analog ballasts were all 100% the same inside, I might add that they are far more reliable as well).

With "quality" HIDs they also send you the proper color temp more often.

In short, the cheap kits differ in the following ways:

1) packaging
2) ballast stickers
3) wiring changes (primarily anti flicker and error cancelors SOMETIMES included)
4) they're tested before they arrive
5) you don't get the color temp you order 1/4 times. They ship +/- one upward or downward kelvin rating and most people are none the wiser.
6) price
7) warranty (but for most companies, good luck claiming).

I've had kits taken apart by dozens of "manufacturers".

I've placed high and low quality hid kits in the same car before and have found that the color temperature is a huge factor in how they perform. An arc of light is an arc of light. The reflectors or projectors decide how the light is projected. If there's variance other than color temperature it's because the bulb is not seated perfectly straight in the housing.

Also, a projector is (for the most part) able to project light the same regardless of bulb type. That's what they're designed for. There are good and bad projectors, however. But a projector "designed for halogens" will be perfectly fine for HIDs. In fact, most car manufacturers use the same projectors for halogen and HID applications across models and even within the same model.

LEDs vary greatly, which is starkly different.


Which kit do you recommend for 12-14 explorers? And is the temperature too hot for HID fogs?
 






.....I've never liked hids in the fogs because years and years back as a kid I melted some fogs pretty bad as there not made to handle that kind of heat, but mostly they just blind everyone as there typically halogen enclosures not even halogen projectors. I normally leave them off with hids because i love seeing the crisp cutoff line with the different colors but There non existent with led bulbs.
A bit off topic but I agree with your take on fog lights. KIA is now introducing models without 'fog' lights due the decreasing need for them and the fact, according to KIA/Hyundai, that many owners are miss-using them. Also +1 :thumbsup: on your take on putting HID kits into Halogen designed housings.

Peter
 






Which kit do you recommend for 12-14 explorers? And is the temperature too hot for HID fogs?


The correct bulb will not burn fog light housings. It's when you got a 9005 into a 9145 slot (if my memory serves) that you have issues because the bulb sits closer to the housing. There are many bulbs that will plug and turn in but are not proper.

I honestly would buy whatever, and install the proper capacitors diodes or whatever needed for this body style in the hid thread yourself. Tape up and seal ALL connections, as this is 90% of the cause of failure. Do not mount the ballast by screwing them in with the tools included. This is because the ballasts will eventually overheat and fail prematurely. Wire tie if you need to keep them from moving too much. Find a safe place to set them lazily but where one side is not completely covered. My cheap analog hid kits have lasted 5-10 years in the past following these rules.
 






I admit I was a little skeptical about doing an HID conversion to my Ex due to the alleged difference between halogen and HID projectors. I've had the HID's in for more than a month now and I have seen no performance difference between these and the OEM HID's I had in both my '11 and '13 Mustangs. I've not had anybody flash me at all as well.

While I can see that there may be a difference in design between the two projectors due to perhaps, bulb length and some other factors, I have yet to see these two projectors dissected side by side to show the difference. If their is a difference, it may only be slight and insignificant.

At any rate, my skepticism seems to have been eliminated from the equation due to the performance of these kits. :salute:
 






As someone that had an HID wholesale partner for years,installed hundreds of kits, owned dozens, and also worked at a shop that did installs for HIDs both "cheap" and "quality" kits, I can tell you that aftermarket HIDs are largely the same. They put different stickers on the ballasts, change the wiring, add diodes and resistors somewhere in the wiring, etc.

Quality kits often have the load leveling stuff added as mentioned above, but definitely not always. They put the same cheap kits in a fancy box (which consumer behavior studies show has an enormous impact on perceived quality). The often also reverse the polarity of the plug because Japanese cars are reversed (but they do it to order) and there is quality control in place (meaning they test before they ship). The digital ballasts (95% anyway) are all the same. The analog ballasts were all 100% the same inside, I might add that they are far more reliable as well).

With "quality" HIDs they also send you the proper color temp more often.

In short, the cheap kits differ in the following ways:

1) packaging
2) ballast stickers
3) wiring changes (primarily anti flicker and error cancelors SOMETIMES included)
4) they're tested before they arrive
5) you don't get the color temp you order 1/4 times. They ship +/- one upward or downward kelvin rating and most people are none the wiser.
6) price
7) warranty (but for most companies, good luck claiming).

I've had kits taken apart by dozens of "manufacturers".

I've placed high and low quality hid kits in the same car before and have found that the color temperature is a huge factor in how they perform. An arc of light is an arc of light. The reflectors or projectors decide how the light is projected. If there's variance other than color temperature it's because the bulb is not seated perfectly straight in the housing.

Also, a projector is (for the most part) able to project light the same regardless of bulb type. That's what they're designed for. There are good and bad projectors, however. But a projector "designed for halogens" will be perfectly fine for HIDs. In fact, most car manufacturers use the same projectors for halogen and HID applications across models and even within the same model.

LEDs vary greatly, which is starkly different.


Respectfully I couldn't disagree with you more on all projectors being the same. I was a big on hidplanet forum for a while there's a world of information on the topic over there but it's just a simple eye ball test. I agree that if you bend down the squirrel blotter I think it's called down in a halogen projector it works better but you will never ever have the crisp cut off and the color of a good oem quality hid like a RX350 or a TL using a halogen projector. As far as the quality of the hid kits all being the same again I have to disagree. They improved a while ago when they basically took a hella ballast apart and knocked it off but the good ones warmed up right away to full strength while the cheap ones took a bit longer to warm up. I had a oem Hella Audi kit that lasted me over ten years. I installed allot of kits back in the day of all prices auto electronics was a hobby and I used to install them amps, radios, tvs, you name it for free back in the day.
 












Respectfully I couldn't disagree with you more on all projectors being the same. I was a big on hidplanet forum for a while there's a world of information on the topic over there but it's just a simple eye ball test. I agree that if you bend down the squirrel blotter I think it's called down in a halogen projector it works better but you will never ever have the crisp cut off and the color of a good oem quality hid like a RX350 or a TL using a halogen projector. As far as the quality of the hid kits all being the same again I have to disagree. They improved a while ago when they basically took a hella ballast apart and knocked it off but the good ones warmed up right away to full strength while the cheap ones took a bit longer to warm up. I had a oem Hella Audi kit that lasted me over ten years. I installed allot of kits back in the day of all prices auto electronics was a hobby and I used to install them amps, radios, tvs, you name it for free back in the day.

Are you confusing projector with reflector? Yes there are better and lesser projectors but if you understand how the work and how they're built, a halogen projector can work the exact same for HIDs. I site both sets of projectors on my current 13 fusion which had both halogen lights prior. Now I have two hid kits and the light spread is identical. Same with my father's crossfire, and a plethora of other customers cars.

But yes some projectors are lesser. The eBay halo, led, and projector housings for example are garbage.
 






Are you confusing projector with reflector? Yes there are better and lesser projectors but if you understand how the work and how they're built, a halogen projector can work the exact same for HIDs. I site both sets of projectors on my current 13 fusion which had both halogen lights prior. Now I have two hid kits and the light spread is identical. Same with my father's crossfire, and a plethora of other customers cars.

But yes some projectors are lesser. The eBay halo, led, and projector housings for example are garbage.
I haven't opened up the different housings but one member has and stated the projectors for Halogen and HID that Ford uses are not the same. If they were, then why is Ford using different projectors based on the type of OEM bulb? Wouldn't it make sense to use the same one for cost effectiveness?

Peter
 






I haven't opened up the different housings but one member has and stated the projectors for Halogen and HID that Ford uses are not the same. If they were, then why is Ford using different projectors based on the type of OEM bulb? Wouldn't it make sense to use the same one for cost effectiveness?

Peter

IME they use the same housings and may ask only with the goal of potentially up charging. Many items with different item numbers are the same, but I don't even believe many applications have different part numbers? The f150 projectors for HIDs or halogen are the same housing. I know this for a fact as I've worked on several '14 and '15, one of which we bought new headlights so we could install halos
 






IME they use the same housings and may ask only with the goal of potentially up charging. Many items with different item numbers are the same, but I don't even believe many applications have different part numbers? The f150 projectors for HIDs or halogen are the same housing. I know this for a fact as I've worked on several '14 and '15, one of which we bought new headlights so we could install halos
Member TonyStewart has opened the housing during a retro fit and confirmed that the projectors are NOT the same. Not sure what else I can say.

Peter
 






Member TonyStewart has opened the housing during a retro fit and confirmed that the projectors are NOT the same. Not sure what else I can say.

Peter


Without a different part number, I guess that's a neat story but if you understand how the lighting works, it's not materially different. There may be some aspects of it that differ in that perhaps early year models have slightly different housings than late model for a given year - but I've installed HIDs in many halogen projector housings and I've never ever experienced a problem. They cut off the exact same.

At this point it's all heresay, short of different part numbers or something from Ford. And, if different, what is the net result? I promise you if you lined up two in a row with the same color temperature (kelvin) rating in a "halogen" projector housing vs factory hid projector housing (if s difference did exist) you would not be able to distinguish between the two.
 






Without a different part number, I guess that's a neat story but if you understand how the lighting works, it's not materially different. There may be some aspects of it that differ in that perhaps early year models have slightly different housings than late model for a given year - but I've installed HIDs in many halogen projector housings and I've never ever experienced a problem. They cut off the exact same.

At this point it's all heresay, short of different part numbers or something from Ford. And, if different, what is the net result? I promise you if you lined up two in a row with the same color temperature (kelvin) rating in a "halogen" projector housing vs factory hid projector housing (if s difference did exist) you would not be able to distinguish between the two.
This isn't the first time a part that is different had the same part number. Years ago a member with an Explorer without the tow package had to have the lower front valance (air dam) replaced. The dealer looked up the part number and ordered and installed the part. Unfortunately the part was for the Explorer with a tow package since it had the opening in it for the air duct. The dealer had to reorder the same part number and specify that it was for a non tow Explorer. The second order was the right one.
With the projectors the "net result" is that with the proper projector you can get a precise 100% focus which the other can't give you.
Also why are the upgrade "kits" not DOT approved as stated by one of the vendors?


Peter
 






For the record, I did read the hid planet stuff regarding this where some people show different projectors. I also saw that the years of the car they removed the projectors from differed. I understand the theory of how they would theoretically vary, but in practice (even if they are in fact different) the difference is so minute no one notices or cares. The projectors and HIDs in my fusion are perfect. The light cutoff is 100% perfect. If there is a difference, it's in the heads of people because they know.

What I'm proposing is that any difference if one truly exists is materially irrelevant and one should not buy new housings to accommodate HIDs if they have stock projector housings.

Over the years selling HIDs and automotive lighting I've also seen that those that propose differences and replacing entire light assemblies or retrofits are those with a vested interest in people doing this (they sell them or benefit financially from their sale). This makes sense, because people with this much knowledge in this realm probably have that knowledge either because they work on them or they are so passionate about it anyway that they do work in this realm.

Some of you may remember, I was a Flashtech representative (paying vendor) on this forum under the tag "expoon24s" a few years ago. We sold retrofits, HIDs, the whole nine yards. Halos were sold to many on here and obviously in installing halos so frequently you've seen many different housings apart and gain a lot of experience in this realm.
 






This isn't the first time a part that is different had the same part number. Years ago a member with an Explorer without the tow package had to have the lower front valance (air dam) replaced. The dealer looked up the part number and ordered and installed the part. Unfortunately the part was for the Explorer with a tow package since it had the opening in it for the air duct. The dealer had to reorder the same part number and specify that it was for a non tow Explorer. The second order was the right one.

Peter

While that's probably true, I think for 99/100 applications it makes no materially relevant difference. Just my .02. Probably not worth anything my friend!
 






While that's probably true, I think for 99/100 applications it makes no materially relevant difference. Just my .02. Probably not worth anything my friend!
I edited my previous post while you were responding. I just wonder why these plug and play HID kits are not DOT approved?
Anyway, once all lights become LED perhaps this won't be an issue. I also believe Laser is on its way as some vehicles have them now.
Take care.

Peter
 






I edited my previous post while you were responding. I just wonder why these plug and play HID kits are not DOT approved?
Anyway, once all lights become LED perhaps this won't be an issue. I also believe Laser is on its way as some vehicles have them now.
Take care.

Peter

The costs associated with approval is cost prohibitive, they're not approved in housings that do not have projectors because of glare, certain color temperatures are technically "illegal", etc.

Now if you sent the DOT a pre installed 4300-6000k hid kit in a projector housing they would approve it in a heartbeat. That would be approved for a single application. It's too broad to approve hid kits with so many independent variables affecting their performance and application.
 






Later I will post a photo of my HIDs in a "halogen" projector, compared to the cutoff in my explorer with stock projectors for the different type of light if I remember.
 



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I edited my previous post while you were responding. I just wonder why these plug and play HID kits are not DOT approved?
Anyway, once all lights become LED perhaps this won't be an issue. I also believe Laser is on its way as some vehicles have them now.
Take care.

Peter

They are not dot approved because they are not meant for the housing. Hid kits that are sold with different colors all they do is blind you if you've ever driven against a car with hids as the light pattern is not properly aligned.
 






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