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QuadCam

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A couple of days ago, I decided I was gonna take my explorer to the track and see what it runs.

In my anxiousness to go to the track, I decided that if i'm gonna go to the track, I might as well make the trip worthwhile, so...........

I got an NOS Nitrous EFI dry kit put on my explorer. Since we didn't have alot of time to put the kit on, i didn't get the chance to put a pressure gauge on the bottle or a bottle heater. (more on that later)

Another decision that we made was to limit the nitrous injection to a 75 hp shot since we couldn't get an inline NOS fuel pump, and I also haven't put a shift kit in the tranny.

After the kit was installed, I got the bottle filled. Time to do a little testing

with only a 75 hp shot, my V8 AWD limited would jump like a frog off the line. I even got a tiny chirp from the tires. I did a few more 1st and 2nd gear nitrous passes on the street. It definately feels faster, but it still feels docile. I thought that when the nitrous would "hit", it would be violent. It is not that way at all. now, the explorer feels like it has the power that ford should have put in it in the first place.

So, I headed up to the track (90 miles each way.) When I finally got there, it was packed. Cars everywhere. Since I got to the track late, I was only able to make one run. When i finally pulled up to the staging area, I noticed that I was gonna race an LS1 Trans AM. I figured "Oh Well, He's gonna smoke me."

Being that I have AWD, I casually drove around the burn out box, armed the nitrous system, and slowly pulled up to the christmas tree. I looked over, and there is captain Chevy doing a Pro Stock style burn out. He finally staged, the lights came down, and I treed him by .251 seconds. The explorer felt pretty good off of the line. the front end seemed to rise way up at the launch, then it settled and the explorer started pulling. I looked over to see what our hero was doing. I was expecting him to be passing me at any moment. NOPE. he was to busy spinning his tires and fishtailing.

At the 60' timing lights, I already had a .587 second lead on the LS1. I still expected this guy to get his act together and start catching up to me. I know that these LS1s are capable of running low 13s at over 105 mph in stock form.

Now, I was paying attention to my own run. My explorer accelerated too quickly in 1st gear for the stock tranny to catch up (i need a shift kit!!!) BANG. the engine hit the rev limiter, fell on its face, then shifted into second. As I reach the half track (1/8 mile) timing lights, i looked over to the other lane expecting to see the LS1 catching up quickly. much to my surprise, he was about 15 car lengths behind me. I have no idea what the hell he must have been trying to do!!! I now had a 1.168 second lead!!!

from there until the end of the track, I knew that there was no way in hell that he was gonna catch up. I was feeling quite giddy at this point.

The explorer fianlly shifted into 3rd gear, and i cruised through the traps in 15.329 @ 88.18 mph.

The LS1 did end up making up some of the ground. He ended up running a 15.744 @ 97.08 mph. His time, combined with my .251 reaction time advantage, gave me an overal win of .666 seconds.

what a fun ride. I haven't had that much fun at the drag strip for a while.

getting back to the nitrous pressure mystery--- the mph seemed kinda low to me, and I thought I might have been able to break into the 14 second zone. That is why I am wondering if my nitrous bottle pressure was not at an optimnum level. Some guys say that you should try and keep the bottle pressure at 1100 psi. Since my bottle was only at about 75 degrees, I doubt that I could have had a bottle pressure any higher 900 psi. most guys use a bottle heater to get the very pressure up to 100 psi. that pressure difference is definatley worth some good HP.

The other factor was that I was screwing around on the street before getting to the track. I don't have any idea how many pounds of nitrous I wasted on the street.

Next time I get the chance to go to the track, I'll make sure that I have a nitrous pressure gauge and a bottle heater.

In conlcusion, I am very happy with the power infusion. For normal driving, i can turn it off. If i need harder acceleration, I'll just flip the switch. That's exactly what I did on the ride home from the track. A 2000 yellow Integra Type R pulled up next to me while we were going 60 mph. I flipped the switch, and we both gunned it. We were dead even up to 85 mph when he started to inch ahead of me. we both hit the brakes, and that was that.


Pretty cool night!!!

any other nitrous junkies out there??

Andrew

[Edited by QuadCam on 10-14-2000 at 08:51 AM]
 



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Quadcam,

That's pretty cool. It's always nice beating sports cars, even when it's just that they don't have their **** together. I just have a couple of questions: 1) how much was the kit? 2) how bad do you think it is for your engine? If I get nitrous, I'm going to get a monitor so that I don't spray into the rev limiter or the speed governor. From what I've seen, I'm looking at about $750 with the controller and some other accessories. 3) How long does a bottle last and how much is it to refill (and where?).

Thanks Andrew and congrats again,
Alec
 






The kit was $475 dollars. I think it is part # 0-5115. I think it is a universal EFI nitrous kit from NOS. The shop I went to for filling charges $2.50 per pound. but remember, you can't run the bottle all the way empty. even with a bottle heater, if there is not much nitrous in the bottle, you won't be able to get the pressure high enough for a good hit.

I am not sure how long the bottle will last me. I have been told that the 75 hp shot is good for anywhere from 5-7 1/4 mile passes. I don't know how accurate that statement is.

As far as being worried about the engine, I am not. Of all the power adders that I have put on cars, this 75 HP shot is a real no brainer. I used to run the explorer on 87 octane. that's all it needed. now, I'll just fill up on 93 octane. The 93 is probably a little much for non-nitrous use, but it is perfect for using the nitrous. I didn't hear a single ping coming from the engine tonight. The "hard hit" of the nitrous is not at all as brutal as people make it seem. Maybe if you are spraying a 200 shot, the hit might be pretty hard, but not for 75 hp.

Go for it. It is so straight forward. there are no tunign complications, like with a turbo or blower. You don't have to worry about elevated intake temperatures. the nitrous is very cold, it will cool your intake air temperatures.

finally, I looked into the bottle heater already. It can purchased for $115. The pressure gauge can be purchased for $35. Another really cool option is a remote bottle valve opener ($150)

Like I said earlier, I paid $475 for the kit and another $125 for the installation. I probably could have done it myself, but my days are usually too busy. plus, I wanted an experienced nitrous user to install it.

have fun,

Andrew
 






i forgot to add that my explorer weighs 4800# with me at the wheel.
 






Andrew:

Sounds like fun!

Let us know what shift kit you end up with, and how well it works. The stock tranny is the slushiest, most unresponsive I've ever experienced, even worse than the Borg-Warner in my '62 Rambler from years ago.

At what rpm does the rev limiter kick in? Is there any way to defeat it?

Pete
 






pete,

i haven't looked into the rev limiter issue too much. My explorer seems to hit the rev limiter at what looks like 5200 ( on the stock tach).

Troll was telling me that he has searched the world over trying to find a chip tuner that can raise the factory rev limiter; he has had no luck finding anyone.

As far as shift kits go, I am trying to decide between Baumann Engineering and Performance automatic. I had a TransGo shift for an AODE in my old 94 mustang GT. The TransGo shift kit was crap. It ruined the tranny. Whenever the tranny fluid got up to operating temperature, the tranny would go into a "neutral condition" when I flored it. Plus, it shifted harder at part throttle than it did at WOT.

I have heard great things about the Baumann kit, and Permance Automatic is a well respected company among Mustng Drag racing circles.

i'll let you know,

Andrew
 






Baumann engineering

here is their web addy:

http://www.baumannengineering.com

they seem to really like the AODE.

Their baumannator tranny computer looks really cool. You can use your cruise control buttons (on the steering wheel) to shift the tranny.


later,

Andrew
 






Originally posted by QuadCam
pete,

i haven't looked into the rev limiter issue too much. My explorer seems to hit the rev limiter at what looks like 5200 ( on the stock tach).

Troll was telling me that he has searched the world over trying to find a chip tuner that can raise the factory rev limiter; he has had no luck finding anyone.
. . .
Andrew

Both SuperChips that I have owned raised my rev-limiters. My first one was a 4.0L Ranger that originally had its rev-limiter set to 5200 by Ford. After putting my SuperChip in, I never did hit the limiter again. I don't know how high they set it, since my engine didn't make any power above 5200 RPM so it did me no good to run it up. I have a SuperChip on my '97 SOHC Explorer now. Its original rev-limiter kicked in at 6000 RPM. With the SuperChip it has been moved up to 6500 RPM. I would guess that if you contacted SuperChips and told them about your NOS, you could get one for your V8 that would increase your shift points and firm them up.
 






i am a distributer for superchips and diablo chips. i have tried 5 diffrent custom chip and none of them could remove the 5200 rev limitor. even if it was removed the trans cant keep up with how fast the motor revs. the only resone why the car shifts now is because it hits the limitor while the tranny is trying to shift which causes a momentary loss of power which is just enuf to slip into the next gear. we will be trying a new trans soon. as the one in the car now is not to our likeing. the stock eec-v just cant keep up with the power going trought the driveline. i highly recommend the Baumman shift kit it is one of the best on the market right now.
 






Cool. I just drag-raced for the first time, and my Mountaineer ran 16.496s at 81.37 MPH. I didn't even have a good run, either. I supposedly "redlighted" on my best run, which I estimate, according to my 60' and 1/8 mile times, could be 16.3 something. I think that I must have lined up too far, but it sure did surprise the CRX on nitrous that I jumped ahead of it and then didn't sit far behind it.
 






Andrew:

The Baumann web site is really impressive! I wasn't aware of any shift kits besides the TransGo. Thanks for the heads up.

Pete
 






Originally posted by jjue
Cool. I just drag-raced for the first time, and my Mountaineer ran 16.496s at 81.37 MPH. I didn't even have a good run, either. I supposedly "redlighted" on my best run, which I estimate, according to my 60' and 1/8 mile times, could be 16.3 something. I think that I must have lined up too far, but it sure did surprise the CRX on nitrous that I jumped ahead of it and then didn't sit far behind it.


On your best run, how did you get a 60' time and 1/8 mile time without getting your ET? It's been a while since I have red-lighted so I don't remember if they (Firebird Raceway & Milan Dragway) give your ETs if you red-light. I think they do though since I still have every timeslip I have ever run, and every one of them has an ET on them. I know I have red-lighted at least a few of them. What were your 60' and 1/8 mile times on your best run?
 






I just ordered the Baumann shift kit for the AODE yesterday. I also ordered the "sonnex" valve.

The main reason I ordered it was because of the baumann torque management system in their shift kit. Supposedly, that torque mangement system will make it so that the shift kit won't affect part throttle shifts.

Nice firm, crisp shifts are great and enjoyable at WOT, but they really make you hate you car if your tranny is banging gears during light acceleration.

Hopefully, this baumann system works well. I'll let you all know.

Andrew
 






Originally posted by Robert


On your best run, how did you get a 60' time and 1/8 mile time without getting your ET? It's been a while since I have red-lighted so I don't remember if they (Firebird Raceway & Milan Dragway) give your ETs if you red-light. I think they do though since I still have every timeslip I have ever run, and every one of them has an ET on them. I know I have red-lighted at least a few of them. What were your 60' and 1/8 mile times on your best run?

At the track in Tuscola, MS, we do get 60' and 1/8 mile times when we redlight, but not 1/4 mile. The best time was 60'--2.306s, 1/8 mile--10.483s @ 65.77 mph with a RT of 1.398s--very slow reaction here. The best recorded time (and I did forget to give a little gas while on the brake pedal) was 2.317s on 60', 10.498s at 65.92 mph on the 1/8 mile, and 16.496s at 81.37 mph ont he 1/4 on a solo run (.237 RT).
 






Originally posted by jjue
At the track in Tuscola, MS, we do get 60' and 1/8 mile times when we redlight, but not 1/4 mile. The best time was 60'--2.306s, 1/8 mile--10.483s @ 65.77 mph with a RT of 1.398s--very slow reaction here. The best recorded time (and I did forget to give a little gas while on the brake pedal) was 2.317s on 60', 10.498s at 65.92 mph on the 1/8 mile, and 16.496s at 81.37 mph ont he 1/4 on a solo run (.237 RT).

I wanted to see the numbers for comarison to the various vehicles I have driven in the 1/4 mile. Your best 60' time beats my 2.342 time, but your 1/8 mile time of 10.483 @ 65.77 MPH matches my 10.487 @ 66.66 MPH. On that run I went 16.374 @ 83.04 MPH. What this says to me is that yours launches quicker to 60', but by the 1/8 mile mine would catch up since mine was going faster at the 1/8 mile. I would guess that your 1/4 mile time would have been in the 16.39 to 16.40 range. It also seems to follow my experience when racing a co-worker with a '98 V8 Explorer. His was a 4x4 though. At the start we were basically dead even, but by the 1/8 mile I had pulled away. I finished the 1/4 mile in 16.374 to his 16.983. His time difference from yours would be due to the added weight of his 4x4 hardware. You are probably correct that if you hadn't red-lighted you might have ran in the 16.3s. It also backs up what I have felt all along with my SOHC. It doesn't launch as well as I would like, but by 3000 RPM it pulls great.

As a side note, I had a 2WD '94 4.0L Ranger with a 5-speed manual. I got my best 60' times in it, but it was my slowest in the 1/4 mile. It did the 60' in 2.227 seconds, but my E/T on that run was 16.928 @ 82.11 MPH. It was great off the line, but was weezing at the end. My '95 V8 T-bird fell in between my Ranger and Explorer. Its 60' time was the slowest, its 1/8 mile speed was the fastest, its 1/8 mile time was the slowest, its ET speed was the quickest, and its 1/4 mile time was in between.
 






Originally posted by Robert


are probably correct that if you hadn't red-lighted you might have ran in the 16.3s. It also backs up what I have felt all along with my SOHC. It doesn't launch as well as I would like, but by 3000 RPM it pulls great.

For some reason, I noticed that when I had warranty work done concerning a TSB, that dealt with the delayed 1-2 upshift on my 4R70W transmission, that my shifts are sluggish for full throttle. However, gearing (& the number of gears) and the engine specs do make a difference. I think that your transmission shifts a little firmer than mine. However, after I get a shift kit to firm the shifts just a tad (I tend to favor moderation than going gungho) and I learn how to actually drive the vehicle for the 1/4 mile, I'm sure that 16.3s and 16.2s with the right weather will be pretty easy to obtain with this beast. Also, I'm sure that it would be a lot easier to gain traction when I launch if I used tires other than all-terrain tires. Maybe I should have taken off the bug deflector for another run. Who knows? Oh well, good discussion.
 






How do you guys hit the rev limiter?! mine will shift at about 4,750 RPM no matter how hard I press the pedal...oh well!
 






rev limiter

Mine only hits the rev limiter on the 1-2 shift when I am on the nitrous. I guess that becaue the engine revs up much faster on the nitrous, the tranny computer is not keeping up with the faster revving engine.

Once I put the shift kit in the tranny, it will shift much faster and firmer between gears. Hopefully, this will keep me from hitting the rev limiter.
 






Originally posted by 95XLT
How do you guys hit the rev limiter?! mine will shift at about 4,750 RPM no matter how hard I press the pedal...oh well!

My '94 Ranger had a 5-speed manual transmission, so it would hit Fords limiter of 5200 RPM if I didn't shift before I got there. If I hit the limiter before I shifted to the next gear, it felt like my foot slipped off the gas. My '97 SOHC Explorer's tach. ends at 6000 RPM which is where it shifted at full throttle. Now with the SuperChip, my needle goes to about where I would estimated 6500 RPM to be before it shifts. My Explorer has an automatic transmission. I'm not sure how Ford programmed the transmission to shift in '95 but it sounds like they set it to shift at 4750 RPM. If that is the case, then an aftermarket chip will probably raise the limit. If you rev up the engine in Park will it go over 4750 RPM? If not then you probably have something hanging up on the throttle or cable. I had a Ford dealer replace my throttle body under warranty. When they did they put my cruise control cable screw in the wrong place which put my cruise control cable in the wrong location. It prevented my throttle cable from opening the throttle all the way.
 



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