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Late Model (96+) V8 conversion

Guy Groves

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92 XLT 4x4
Has anyone actually swapped a 96 or later explorer 5.0 into their early model explorer?

If so....

1) What mounts and headers did you use?

2) Do the headers really work with the GT40P head (can you get to the spark plugs)?

3) What modifications did you make to the engine?

4) Wiring - did you "back wire" the 96 engine to the 93 wire harness, or did you upgrade everything to the EEC V / OBD II?

5) Were their extra sensors to add or delete?

6) What distributor and ignition components did you use?
 



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I suppose search it... I believe Kris G is doin a late model x 5.0 in to his 1st gen navajo
Pete
 






Guy,

I am Going to Start this in a Few week on a 1992 Explorer XLT. I am Going to Wire it as a 93 System with a Mustang distributor I plan to Use James Duff Headers, Oil pan, radiator and Motor Mounts. After I pull the Motor I will be Sending the 92 X Harness, 96 X Harness, and a Ford Motor Sport harness to Brett to have him wire it Up.
 






late model explore V8 conversion

I spent some time looking over the late model explorer engines. I would like your thought / comments. Here is what I found:

I inspected three engines. Two from 96 year, one a late 97 year (9/97).

1) All the engines had the standard GT40 heads. They did NOT have the P heads. I verified this by checking the stamping on the casting. The GT40 heads have "GT"stamped on the heads and 3 vertical bars in the end of the head casting. The GT40P have "GTP" stamped on the heads and 4 vertical bars in the end of the head casting. I was surprised that the late 97 model still had the GT40 heads.

I have called the conversion companies and got the following responses:

Total Performance: Does not know if their conversion headers will work with the GT40P heads.

Kaufmann: Their headers do NOT work with the GT40P heads.

James Duff: They are not sure and have not tested it themselves. They claim customers have bought the headers to use on the GT40P heads, but have never received any feedback.

L&L Products: They believe their headers will work with the GT40P head, but have not tested this configuration themselves.


2) The EGR on the GT40 heads were internal, and that is how the engines I looked at were set up. Ford manuals and other things I have read say the Explorer EGR is an external system, but this must only be for the later model P heads.

This is confusing because all the pictures (I stress they were pictures) of the Explorer intake manifolds I've seen were missing the EGR hole from the upper plenum. Leading me to expect an external EGR system.

Are the early manifolds different from the late 97- 99 manifolds?


What does it mean????
a) The early explorer V8 with GT40 heads will fit better with conversion headers (spark plug clearnce).
b) The EGR system is internal, so no additonal plumbing needs to be added to the exhaust manifold (header)
c) Performance of the GT40 is NOT as good as the GT40P, some mildporting could help that out.


3) There is NO air pump on the Explorer, good news. BUT, the 93 EEC IV computer expects one. It will be necessaary to "fake it out" by wiring in the Thermactor Air Bypass (TAB) and Diverter (TAD) into the wire harness, but not into the engine itself. This should keep the check engine light from coming on. There might also be a way to jump the connector pins and avoid using the solenoids altogether.

4) Throttle position sensor on the explorer uses a different connector than the 93 wire harness, but both are three wire systems. It should just be a matter of replacing the harness connector from the explorer into the 93 engine wire harness. (The explorer uses a 4 pin round connector with three wires attached).

5) The explorer needs a 93 distributor ignition system. This should be straight forward. You won'tuse the EDIS module and coil packs. Instead use the 93 mustang distributor and coil. I would recomend checking or replacing the distributor gear with the proper "hardened steel" gear that is compatable with the hardened steel roller cam.

When installing the distributor set the engine to TDC and line up the rotar with the #1 spark plug wire position of the cap.

6) Air Charge Temp (ACT) sensor will need to be moved. On the explorer V8 the ACT is located in the air tube between the MAF and the TB. The Explorer EEC V performance curve is set up for this temperature reading. The 93 EEC IV computer expects a "warmer" reading as the sensor is located in the lower intake manifold.

To prevent performance issues the sensor needs to be located in the lower intake manifold on runer #5 (front runner on the driver side). There is a "land" there in the casting. It needs to be drilled and tapped (I don't know what size yet) If you have the right drill and tap this is easy. This should be dead easy for a machine shop to do. Clean it very good, then clean it again before installing.


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Overall it shouldn't be too bad todo the conversion.

I do start to wonder about meeting emmisions standards however. The explorer engine didn't require the air pump, but the EEC IV computer did. Which applies? My gut feeling is that it should pass the sniffer test, but might fail a detailed visual inspection (But who does a real detailed visual inspection).


Any thoughts or comments???
 






If your doing the conversion on the late model Explorer why not use the hedders that are designed for it rather than 'kit' hedders designed for the early body. Go to your Motorsport dealer and order up a set. I just got my set for my early Ex conversion and have used them on another early conversion and there great. The best part is if your running the factory 5.0L exhaust then it all bolts together.(Ford did have a set for P heads but I dont know if thier still available.)

As for an oil pan as long as you have the Mustang, Explorer, Cougar or Tbird double hump oil pan there is no need to order a different pan. I used the factory Mustang pan in the 2wd conv I did and it clears everything.

The GT40P heads didnt get added to the 5.0L Explorer until mid '98 and the easiest why to identify then is that the spark plugs stick out at almost a 90 dregee angle rather than the 45 degree angle or so of the older heads. The newer engines used an external EGR while the older ('96 & '97) were internal.


If the conversion is for a late model, the best mounts to order are the factory ones. Less hassle and true bolt in design. I tried the factory mounts on the older Ex but the cradle is narrower on the older Ex so the mounts wouldnt work.

I have never hooked up the TAB and TAD solenoids in the various conversions that I have done and never had an emissions problem in my area.(our emissions are comparable to California but are easier to cheat because the testing stations are jokes. The engines pass with no problems but the test stations rarely open the hood to even look under then, as far as they know its still a 4.0L.)

There has to be a way to hook up the DIS ignition to the Mustang wiring system. I think I will make that my new pet project and figure that out. Shouldnt be to hard to do.
 






Speedfreak,

Are you saying you have used the ford headers (which ones) with a late model engine, with P heads, in an early model (91-94) X?

Thanks for the info on when Ford started using the P heads. I thought they started in 97.

As for the TAB & TAD solenoids - You left the connectors hanging and didn't have to "cross" any connectors? Does your "check engine light" come on because of this, or do you get any computer fault code reported.

As for the DIS ignition check out:
www.alternativeauto.com

check out the "waterbox" page.

They have done some work with this.
 






Guy,

The motor I have came from a 96 Explorer so I checked the heads on it and I dont see a "P" on them any where. I think the Heads are just plane GT40 heads. I will order a set of James Duff header soon so I will beable to tell if the headers will fit. When I get a chance I will compare the Head on or 95 Stang to the Heads on my donor motor. We might want to Check with the Guys over at The Mustang forums to see if they know any information about the Heads on the Explorer.
 






Well, I've got a 90's stang HO motor... and am using the "kit" headers from James Duff... they fit quite nicely.. and I bet they'll flow better than stock explorer manifolds....
Pete
 






RFR2212,

Its good to hear the Duff parts fit well. I've seen some of their stuff it all looks well made - high quality.

I presume youare also using the Duff motor mounts?

How were they to install, Any alignment problems???


Kris,
I'm sure these are the GT40 heads and NOT the P. These are still a good head and I think the may avoid a lot of header fit issues. As I mentioned aerlier, some simple mild porting of these heads, which is affordable, would go a long way in terms of performance.
 






Well, all the duff parts have been great... the oly problems is where I messed up in double checkin the alignment... so my motors slightly outta alignment... But that'll get fixed once im done with school fer the summer....
Pete
 






Guy

I have used the Ford Motorsport hedders with the conversion into a '93 Explorer 2wd. The part number is M-9430-E50. These hedders work with stock, GT-40, Twist Wedge, Edelbrock and Holley heads. The hedders are 1 1/2 primary and 2 1/2 collector. If you go to my site ( click on 'my homepage' below) you can see the hedders and how they worked when installed. I will be posting more pics very soon.

Ford did offer 'P' hedders for the Explorer but I am not sure if they still do. They still offer Mustang hedders for 'P' heads but those will not fit into the Explorer.


And in the Explorer I just finished I haven't scanned the computer for codes yet but the check engine light hasn't come on at all.
 






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