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C420sailor

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98 XLT SOHC, 99 EB 5.0L
About 35k ago I replaced my upper ball joints in my Moog arms. They all came with torn boots. Couldn’t get replacements. I’ve been keeping them somewhat greased, but they’re creaking and groaning already.

Gonna go with new arms.

Moog seems to be selling off the last of the old design arms, and is selling a newer design at around $50 each on RA

Then there are the Mevotech TTXs with boots that look way less problematic.

What direction are we going these days?
 



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About 35k ago I replaced my upper ball joints in my Moog arms. They all came with torn boots. Couldn’t get replacements. I’ve been keeping them somewhat greased, but they’re creaking and groaning already.

Gonna go with new arms.

Moog seems to be selling off the last of the old design arms, and is selling a newer design at around $50 each on RA

Then there are the Mevotech TTXs with boots that look way less problematic.

What direction are we going these days?
I thought I read on here a little while ago people were having good luck with mevotech balljoints.
 






The last years i go with Moog, and yes the boots were always a problem.
Not long ago i changed to Mevotech TTX for lower ball joint and tie rod.
Boots seems to be stronger, but i have no long time experience with them.

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Ttx uppers are okay
Same quality as moog but with better boots and powder coated arms (oooh la la)

I would run Dorman lowers they are only $20 and the only ball joint listed as heavy duty
They are a full steel ball with a full steel cup and no plastic liner

Unfortunately Dorman does not make an upper for us (yet)

Since you have Moog arms with replaceable joints can you get a good ac delco or raebestos joint for them? Maybe Dorman ?
 






I’ve thought about it. I’m not sure how consistent the ball joint OD/arm ID is though—if it’s a Moog proprietary size or something standard for the Explorer

The arms are pretty old, and the bushings are showing cracking…may be worth just doing them too
 






I’m sure it’s proprietary I never checked, just hopeful
I swore of Moog many years ago but they have made a big push to be good again so some of their parts have been making it through the shop… the new stuff seems to be pretty good

Moog is often the only real choice for some things like tie rod ends and drag links, Moog is the best part I can get for some applications.

I really like the mas (now Dorman) ball joints I’ve been running them for a few years now (10) before Dorman aquired the Canadian company mas. I have them in my big trucks and all rangers they straight hold up. They only make them for the lower ma at this point, unfortunately

The ttx joints are decent good boots and high quality looks and appeal, decent price they are decent parts, like a Moog they are “adequate” but not as strong as oem not even close. I always try to go oem or better but on a budget… doesn’t always work out
 






My moog lower BJs with the redesigned, recessed boots, seem to be holding up fine.

About 7 years ago I got what was supposed to be a Mevotech CMK8710T (the BJ portion of the upper passenger side, two piece design) but Rock Auto instead sent a Mevotech GK8710T. I almost returned it, but it was only $14 on clearance so I went ahead and installed it, and so far the boot is holding up fine. That factory upper BJ was also fine when replaced except that the boot was shot.

Granted I hardly put miles on my '98 these days, probably only needed the lower BJs replaced because the feeder road here is riddled with too many potholes to drive around them all, or boot failure plus so many winter salted road trips.

You'd think it wouldn't be too much to ask, to just use higher quality, thicker material for the boots. It's one thing when Ford does it to save 50 cents in 1000 different areas on a vehicle, but aftermarket could easily market that and charge $1 more.

Then again I'm still wondering why nobody makes every replacement boot size imaginable and sells them all by size. The paltry offerings from Energy Suspension aren't even close, and too generic shaped to make a good fit. I'm managing with an ES aka Prothane boot on my left upper CA but who knows how long it'll keep the grease in and debris out. So far, still no excessive play in that BJ.


 






Yeah the Moog boots are quite literally paper thin. The older ones at least.
 






I am always looking for a better ball joint and tie rod ends … when we can’t get motorcraft or spicer anymore we are at the mercy of the aftermarket
 






I went with Mevotech TTX for a number of reasons and not having enough information at the time. I would be fine with replacing with Moog again as part no CK622994 appears to be the exact style I had and box says Made in USA and the price is truly affordable. The Mevotech's are heavier and appear to be stout and high quality (they are a Canadian company, the TTX UCA's are made in China their front sway bar end links I also replaced were made in US). It is getting very difficult to find parts made in US so I had to move past looking, parts are getting slim pickings for 30 year old Explorers. Many parts are discontinued. There wasnt a chance I was going to buy economy line or no name UCA's though to save $20. I read some positive things about the TTX line and some very unpositive things about their lower lines same as Moog lower lines.
Main Reason I didnt go with Moog ultimately is I had assumed their new part numbers were lower end, made in China, and wouldnt last from some reviews. Moog is under Tenneco/Federal Mogul which owns alot of companies (Rancho, Wagner, Monroe etc). Their customer service is handled by a group called DriV, they have been stellar. Purchased the problem solver UCA's about 15 years ago, they were touted to be the Best at the time with lifetime warranty and in my experience I would agree. The bushings had a bit of cracking, the balljoint seemed absolutely fine, it was only the boots that failed, I consider that to be Incredible. Last year I noticed the passenger side was missing a chunk of the blue boot, figured something hit and ripped it off. Few months later I noticed cracks in the driver side boot as well which would break off if touched. Time had killed the boots, rest of the control arm was still really decent. Moog credited me for my 15 year old UCA's, that is outstanding customer service in my opinion and not in the norm lately.. Their tech support was alot of help also.
Regarding TTX UCA's, if you want to have warranty coverage, they advised purchasing from Amazon comes with zero warranty. As of few months ago they advised they do not sell to Amazon, do not know where Amazon buys their Mevotech parts from. Their tech support was good also and responsive. I ultimately ended up ordering the TTX UCA's from Summit Racing. I do not know too many people that keep an Explorer for 30 years, so warranty etc may not be important to everyone. My lifetime Pro Comp "Explorer line" shocks were failing, purchased thru 4wheel Parts. Pro Comp purchased by new company, no stock on "Explorer shock line", unable to credit or replace. 4wheel Parts same story, unable to credit or offer alternate shocks. Not a huge deal, definitely old shocks, but it all makes a lifetime warranty worthless (definitely worth the money though, shocks are wear and tear item so Im not sure why they would offer lifetime to begin with but some companies do).
 






Interesting as I have a lifetime warranty on my Rancho 9000 shocks through 4 wheel parts and I am on my fourth set.
Last time I had to pay I think $15 a shock for the replacements because Rancho upgraded the 9000s to a 2.5” body or something along those lines, warranty still in place from
My original purchase in like 2005 or so? Not sure why they couldn’t help you with your pro Comps?
 






I felt the same. I also called, was hoping they would at least offer credit towards new shocks as they sell Rancho. Here was their response.

"The entire line of ES3000 have been discontinued. We unfortunately cannot assist with a replacement on an item that is not longer in production."

I believe that translates to Pound Sand...
 






They could offer you credit towards a new set of their low end shocks… jerks!!

I remember back in the day Autozone had a lifetime warranty on brake calipers and pads… whoopsies. I think I got about 29 sets of calipers and pads after paying for just one … they don’t know me.. I keep my junk forever!!!!

I now write down all
Lifetime” warranties on the white board, their purchase dates and what parts are covered. Only a few remain like lifetime warranty on superduty vacuum pump from Napa.. most warranties these days are 3-5 years instead of lifetime
 






Moog must have changed things in their customer service dept. A few years ago, they were almost entirely unreachable, and would not help—they told me to contact point of sale. Point of sale kept exchanging the same damaged ball joints over and over again. Literally the replacement they would send was the same exact one in the taped up box I sent back. It was absolutely insane. That’s how I ran these damaged boots for so long.

As for lifetimes, I got lifetime alignments for my explorers from Firestone. One lifetime alignment I’ve had for about 16 years and 250,000mi….at $180, I’ve probably paid about $5 per alignment by this point 😂😂😂
 






Hate to sound like an ad but...
I just checked and the TTX parts are still available at NAPA. However they are being superseded by the "Fleet" line of parts. These are the parts that were designated for Police, fire, and commercial (read hard use) vehicles. They are as good as the TTX with a different color boot (orange instead of pea green). I believe the boot material is as good as TTX, just a different color.
 












Got one of the Mevotech TTX upper control arms installed.

Gotta say, I like these over the Moog so far. The boot is far heavier/thicker, with no ridges in the design. The grease fitting comes with a rubber cap. And it fits into the frame much better than the Moog. I used to have to beat the Moogs in with a sledge—a real pain. These lined right up.

Unfortunately, my creaking persists…but i was able to trace it to the inner tie rod ends. Going to swap them out with some Motorcraft units I have hanging around. They have 360,000mi on them—that’s a good run!!!!
 






Agreed, they are beefy. The balljoint boot had me baffled at first, I added some grease, boot didnt change, still looked "flat". Then the grease started to come out from the "relief valve". Wondering if I had failing balljoint, called Mevotech and sent them pictures. They said that is the way it is. Im used to adding more grease to Moog, seeing the boot swell somewhat, etc. And I understand the creaking C420, replaced a decent amount of parts front and rear, still creak/squeak in the rear. Believe it is coming from the rear leaf spring to shackle bushing. Sure hope I can replace those without removing the ARB OME leaves. If not, will adjust volume knob on radio...
 






360k on inner tie rod ends and they are a little noisy

Go ford tough!
 



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And they’re still pretty tight! Just dry.

Got the new Motorcraft inners installed, packed extra grease. Nice and tight.

And yeah, I got that same little squiggle of grease out the relief pinhole in my Mevotechs…lol

Did notice that my lower ball joints are spinning in the arms, ugh. Time for oversized BJs, it seems…and maybe a tiny weld tack? We shall see. Creaking is gone though.
 






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