My Hydrogen Cell Works

[bwingler]

So, the plate generator doesn't work very well? That's alittle Depressing. I just baught the stuff to create one. It's good to see you're better. I had a sergery for a hernia when I was like 5....It was pretty much the best time in my life...I got out of School for a week and got to play with Legos when my bros were are school....Aywho........I'm thinking about making a dual cell set up. Then I'd combine the Gasses with a "bubbler" in the middle. Supposedly you can lower voltage by putting cells in Series with each other. This thread is what has gotten me started on this. Thanks alot. Did you get any gains from using the Plates with out eh Enhancer? I haven't gotten the money saved to buy one yet. I didn't use a water filter housing for mine, I couldn't find a good spot to put the thing. Hopefully it'll work. Either way, good luck.

They do work but the draw a lot of power and generate lots of heat. Make sure you use a good heavy 10 or 8 gauge wire and solder your connectors on. I feel the extra strain on the alternator was not good. Mine is stock. If i was running my air and sitting in traffic my volt gauge was falling to a very low level. I no longer have them issues. If you have a high output alternator it probaly would work better.

 

[BrooklynBay]

Does this system produce the same amount of hydrogen as a 30 amp unit while only using 5 amps? What is the voltage being used?

 

[bwingler]

Does this system produce the same amount of hydrogen as a 30 amp unit while only using 5 amps? What is the voltage being used?

Actually i believe it puts out about the same, but it may be the other enhancements i did to the engine. I have a scan gauge II coming and being my truck does not have obd II i am going to test a system on my saturn so i can get some hard core data. My EFI Enhancer has a two position switch and two control knobs one position is for city and the other is for highway, once set all you do is flip a switch. It use's 12 volts between 3 - 5 amps, depends on how much baking soda i use. I have run it up to 15 amp but it didn't make any more hho.

 

[BrooklynBay]

What's the output like without using baking soda? The 30 amp unit is also running on 12 volts, but the volt gauge said 5.75 volts in the video clip.

 

[bwingler]

The output was not there with straight water or none that i could measure. I put 4 teaspoons of baking soda in one gallon of water and that seems to work the best. I think that the coils not having the surface area need the baking soda to exite the water to fracture. Also it creates an electromagnetic field around the coil which i think helps the hho output. The plates never did do that. You will know if you have iron in your water. lol Also i have heard some people use 1/3 cup of vinegar to a gallon of water using plates, i never tried it so i can not comment on that.

Any time you increase your amperage you cut your voltage. Ohms law and vice versa cut your amperage and increase your voltage and then you create the electromagnetic field with a coil.

 

[BrooklynBay]

Baking soda + vinegar creates a volcano like eruption. I remember seeing that in school at a science fair when I was a kid.

 

[L4CX]

Coils sound like maybe the way to go. 12 Feet of SS Coil is a ton. Were did you do alot of your research? I'm not out to copy or anything but all I can find is sites that explain how plates work. I just want to get an idea of why coils/plates work different and the science behind it. I'm all about making my own design and telling people I made it out of what I've learned.....Aka....I'm a dork. :lol: Thanks for the Knowledge.

 

[BrooklynBay]

Longer wires will have more resistance than short plates. Now, if you could have the same concept in a plate, you will have more surface area in the same amount of space. This is what I've been experimenting with. It's similar to the concept of the spiral cell idea Optima had when they designed their batteries. Exide also has a similar battery. I think ultra capacitors use the same principle.

 

[bwingler]

Ok guys i am going to make a FAQ on my site about the questions you are asking here, love the questions. Here is a question to all of you, what would a construction plan for the generator with the efi enhancer plan be worth? I have been kicking the idea around.
Also was kicking the idea of a yearly membership where people would have access to all my R+D. It would help fund my work.
I am open to all ideas, suggestions etc...

 

[Turdle]

Ok guys i am going to make a FAQ on my site about the questions you are asking here, love the questions. Here is a question to all of you, what would a construction plan for the generator with the efi enhancer plan be worth? I have been kicking the idea around.
Also was kicking the idea of a yearly membership where people would have access to all my R+D. It would help fund my work.
I am open to all ideas, suggestions etc...

Sounds like a good idea-I might remind you though, quite a bit of work has gone into this site--hint.

 

[BrooklynBay]

The EFI enhancer wasn't on the website when I clicked on it. I see you have Gas Maxx systems on there. They look like they use water holding tanks similar to the ones used on boats. I have a similar one from West Marine.

 

[bwingler]

Coils sound like maybe the way to go. 12 Feet of SS Coil is a ton. Were did you do alot of your research? I'm not out to copy or anything but all I can find is sites that explain how plates work. I just want to get an idea of why coils/plates work different and the science behind it. I'm all about making my own design and telling people I made it out of what I've learned.....Aka....I'm a dork. :lol: Thanks for the Knowledge.

The research has nothing to do with HHO production. If you remember from school experiments the a wire coil wrapped around a nail and applied power you had a magnetic nail. That is called electromagnetism. So in my design i did not want to magnetize my core that the coils run around so i used plexiglass. It takes two 6 foot coils to make one coil to produce hydrogen. And the coils are not that hugh 2 1/2" x 2 1/2" x 6". The neat part of my design is you can make a bigger box and place more coils inside it connected in series and do the same thing that others are doing with multi cells The biggest unit i am working on consist of 4 coils in series in one housing. It is for the 10 cylinder truck. I use 316 ss for my anode and 304 ss for my cathode.

 

[bwingler]

The EFI enhancer wasn't on the website when I clicked on it. I see you have Gas Maxx systems on there. They look like they use water holding tanks similar to the ones used on boats. I have a similar one from West Marine.

I cut out each one and make the housing myself. It is 1/4" lexan. I haven't took a picture of the enhancer to post. I will do it later today.

 

[bwingler]

Sounds like a good idea-I might remind you though, quite a bit of work has gone into this site--hint.

I dont see anybody on this site taking the lead in R+D for hydrogen enhancers or anything else. And ditto A quite a bit of work has gone into my site--hint.

And guys, If this guy kicks me you know where to find me.

 

[L4CX]

I think a plan for building one would be cool. I've told alot of my friends about this Hydrogen Booster idea and they say "if you get it to work, I'll pay you to put one in my car". So, I just have to get my Design working. It's been fun. My hold back is money. I only get 20 bucks a month for "truck Fun". The rest goes into our budget. But hey, I'm not spending money I don't have.......Like most of America. Which is ok with me. Sorry about taking so long to respond. I hope they didn't kick you off. That would be alittle childish I think. Just My Opinion. Good luck.

 

[bwingler]

Hi Guys,
No i have not fell off the face of the earth, But i can say "Only in America" you ask why is your website down? Well since you asked, We were approached by investors because my design was different. I was asked to pull down the website and put 4 orders on hold. We are just about finished with all the paper work. We are now a C corporation with 50 million shares of stock. The name is Hydrodyne Technologies, INC. and water gives me gas will be one of the product lines. We are labeled as an R&D alternative energy company. We will be doing more then after market add-ons. Thats all i can really say at the moment. I will let you all know more as soon as i can.

Barry

 

[aldive]

bump

 

[L4CX]

Any news On this? I'm curious to see what has happened. Oh and....Bump?

 

[BrooklynBay]

Barry hasn't been on the site in 2 months, but his website is still up.

 

[Fredness]

Someone eluded to it earlier, but what is the gain?
I see little if any. Granted, Hydrogen and Oxygen are great, and we want more of each in our incoming fuel, but at what cost?
20-30 amp load on the alternator at all times the engine is running? Wow...
30 amps x 12 volts = 360 watts (test bed set up)
30 amps x 14.4volts = 432 watts (high end auto)

Since 746 watts = 1 HP:
360 watts = .48 HP
432 watts = .58 HP

...and this is assuming no other losses whatsoever (friction, line loss, storage loss...) with perfect conversion (physical motion to electricity as in our alternators), which, as we all know is near impossible.

What is the load created on the engine to generate 30 amps for 1 minute?
What is the power generated from the HHO in 1 minute?

Basically, are we "robbing Peter to pay Paul"?

These facts are not obvious. In every street corner you'll find an expert or two who have listened to their school teacher but have never TOUCHED this technology. The only way to know is:
(1) Don't listen to anybody!
(2) Find someone with ACTUAL RESULTS, and then
(3) Test it yourself!

I think this is the greatest maketing ploy of all times... Buy this and prove it doesn't work.

SAFETY FIRST: First thing you have to understand is there are NO safety hazards - this system is SAFE. Yes, pure Hydrogen that is dangerous. And it is dangerous to store it in high-pressure tanks. But we do NOT generate pure Hydrogen, you see, we generate HHO.

Hmmm.... HHO, as in two Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen atom "cracked" from one molecule of water. 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O - since it is a widely held assumption that "no matter can be created or destoyed" (but it can change form), this would be the same hydrogen and oxygen correct?

The same hydrogen that is listed here: http://www.lenntech.com/Periodic-chart-elements/H-en.htm
...as "Effects of exposure to hydrogen: Fire: Extremely flammable. Many reactions may cause fire or explosion. Explosion: Gas/air mixtures are explosive."

...and "High concentrations of this gas can cause an oxygen-deficient environment. Individuals breathing such an atmosphere may experience symptoms which include headaches, ringing in ears, dizziness, drowsiness, unconsciousness, nausea, vomiting and depression of all the senses."

...and "Under some circumstances, death may occur."

...and "Heating may cause violent combustion or explosion."

Granted, with proper precautions, many of these risks can be mitigated (not eliminated), and we probably WANT to introduce an explosive mixture in to our intake stream, but the statement from the website: "there are NO safety hazards - this system is SAFE" seems a tad off mark...

AFRs:
As I have found using and tuning for E85, different AFR's with mixed fuels requires a custom tune to make the PCM recognize the new "Stoich".
Hydrogen: 34.33:1
Gasoline: 14.63:1

I saw your "device" used to "correct" for the fuel, but this doesn't address the issue of regulating the Hydrogen flow as the production of HHO is steady and the engine needs vary with RPM.
Any thoughts?