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nickrahn

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92 Eddie Bauer 4x4
Hey people,
I am a mopar guy but I recently got a great deal on a 92 explorer Eddie Bauer edition. It had some problems, most I was able to fix using on this site. The 4wd didn't work when I got it, I had my brother push the button while I was hitting the shift motor with a hammer. It went in. I been using it every day and it seems to work every time, but the front left has trouble going in and out. some times it works just fine and sometimes it just ratchets and clunks but won't go in. Is there something I can grease or do that will help it not stick? Any help would be awesome.
 



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Hey people,
I am a mopar guy - the front left has trouble going in and out. some times it works just fine and sometimes it just ratchets and clunks but won't go in. Is there something I can grease or do that will help it not stick? Any help would be awesome.

Mopar, well I guess that's okay, I have a few of brand x myself.

Your problem sounds a lot like my son's Explorer. We ended up taking the front hubs apart and cleaning them with ATF. After all the dirt and grease was removed we dipped them in fresh ATF and they work great. Maybe some others here can steer you clear of my solution if I'm wrong, but the manual says to stay away from grease in the hubs.

Have an absolutely great day.
 






Hey people,
I am a mopar guy but I recently got a great deal on a 92 explorer Eddie Bauer edition. It had some problems, most I was able to fix using on this site. The 4wd didn't work when I got it, I had my brother push the button while I was hitting the shift motor with a hammer. It went in. I been using it every day and it seems to work every time, but the front left has trouble going in and out. some times it works just fine and sometimes it just ratchets and clunks but won't go in. Is there something I can grease or do that will help it not stick? Any help would be awesome.

Welcome to the forum! Congrats on the 92, the 1st gen explorers are great trucks. With regards to your problem, I suspect one of your auto hubs is starting to flake out on you. I would recommend replacing both auto hubs with warn manuals and see if that fixes the problem. It probably will and, if it doesn't, the warns are infinitely better than the stock autos anyway! :D
 






What? How? Cost?

I don't have a lot of money to work with these days. If I were to stay with auto hubs, how would I go about taking them apart and cleaning? or replacing? if replacing, how much will that run me? and with the manual hubs, how would I go about doing that and how much does that cost? and how do manual hubs work with a system designed for auto hubs? I am mechanically minded and can usually figure things out pretty good but I have never had a 4x4 before and I would like to know what I am getting myself into before I start. I do believe the auto hubs are ok, they go in just fine when its warmer but when its colder out they seem to stick. I think they just need a good cleaning. I have yet to get a factory service manual and not sure how to go about cleaning the hubs. any schematics or direction would be awesome! Thanks, God Bless!
 






I don't have a lot of money to work with these days. If I were to stay with auto hubs, how would I go about taking them apart and cleaning? or replacing? if replacing, how much will that run me? and with the manual hubs, how would I go about doing that and how much does that cost? and how do manual hubs work with a system designed for auto hubs? I am mechanically minded and can usually figure things out pretty good but I have never had a 4x4 before and I would like to know what I am getting myself into before I start. I do believe the auto hubs are ok, they go in just fine when its warmer but when its colder out they seem to stick. I think they just need a good cleaning. I have yet to get a factory service manual and not sure how to go about cleaning the hubs. any schematics or direction would be awesome! Thanks, God Bless!

I can understand not wanting to throw a ton of money, nothing's worse then ending up upside down on a car. With regards to cleaning auto hubs, I guess you could try the ATF as the previous poster mentioned and see if that helps. I did try that and mine were too far gone to be helped, so I had to buy Warns. I think the Warns are ~100 bucks for both and the installation is absolutely a cinch. My recommendation would be swap them out now and be done with those autos. They were nothing but a PIA in my old truck, but once I got rid of them then I never had a problem after that.
 












I don't have a lot of money to work with these days. If I were to stay with auto hubs, how would I go about taking them apart and cleaning? or replacing? if replacing, how much will that run me? and with the manual hubs, how would I go about doing that and how much does that cost? and how do manual hubs work with a system designed for auto hubs? I am mechanically minded and can usually figure things out pretty good but I have never had a 4x4 before and I would like to know what I am getting myself into before I start. I do believe the auto hubs are ok, they go in just fine when its warmer but when its colder out they seem to stick. I think they just need a good cleaning. I have yet to get a factory service manual and not sure how to go about cleaning the hubs. any schematics or direction would be awesome! Thanks, God Bless!

Wow, you ask a lot of questions. Let's take them one at a time.

Re: how would I go about taking them apart and cleaning?

The Explorer I'm familiar with is a '94 Eddie. On that one you just take off the front wheel and the hub (if not loose already) is held on with a couple flat steel retainer like the ones that hold brake drums on older cars. Remove those retainers and the hub should slide off. Now you are going to know right off if you're on to the problem if there is grease and gunk inside the hub. You don't really have to take them apart if you can flush all the grease and dirt out. If you can get next to a solvent tank it would be an easier job to complete, but then you need to be certain to get all the solvent out of the hub.

When Jr. & I did his '94 the temperature outside was in the single digits. We filled the hubs with ATF, automatic transmission fluid, and set them by the heater to warm up the grease that had infiltrated the hubs. Once we got all the grease and dirt out we gave them a final dip in the tranny fluid, shook out the excess, wiped off the excess grease from the axel stub and put them back together.

Hey, you're a Mopar guy, did you know that Mopar used ATF in their manual transmissions back in the late 70's and early 80's? That was where I got the idea to use it on the hubs. Back then I worked at a Chrysler - Plymouth - Dodge dealer as a line mechanic, I was shocked the first time I drained a three speed manual trans for overhaul and red stuff came pouring out.

Re: Replacing...

This is pretty easy too. All the instructions come with the conversion hubs. I did this to my F150, but now I'm wishing I had the automatic hubs back. I replaced the ones on the F150 before Jr. bought his '94 so when I got his fixed I found myself wishing I had kept all the parts from the truck because all they really needed was cleaned. Oh well.

Re: how do manual hubs work with a system designed for auto hubs?

Manual hubs are as they sound, manual. When you decide you need to use four wheel drive you get out of the truck and turn a knob in the center of the hub from 'free' to 'lock' this "turns on the hubs" or locks the wheel to the front axel. When you're done working or playing or just getting where you want to go you unlock or put the hubs in 'free' wheeling position. This doesn't change the operation of the four wheel drive from what it is now other than the added step of manually locking your front hubs.

Re: I have never had a 4x4 before

Don't worry, used ta be I couldn't even spell 4x4. :-)

Until I moved to the farm almost ten years ago now, I had never owned one either. Now I have four. Gee, that's 16 wheel drive.... WooHoo!

Hope this helps.
 






Welcome to the forum Nick.:salute:
 






That's new

Thanks for the answers I should be able to figure things out from there. Today I did notice the the front right hub cover was missing though. Prolly not a good thing, I found a couple online for 184 a piece. that's alot of money. would anyone have the hub cover I could buy for a reasonable price? Could someone please send me a link to the manual hubs that will work for the 92 explorer. Thanks for all your help, God Bless
 


















Thanks for the answers I should be able to figure things out from there. Today I did notice the the front right hub cover was missing though. Prolly not a good thing, I found a couple online for 184 a piece. that's alot of money. would anyone have the hub cover I could buy for a reasonable price? Could someone please send me a link to the manual hubs that will work for the 92 explorer. Thanks for all your help, God Bless

It even has the HArdware kit. All you need is the special Socket

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MANU...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
 






...With over 4 days left on the bidding and $20 shipping, it will be a lot more than what you could buy those from members on here...:(

...I am curious what the final sales cost will be though...
 






...With over 4 days left on the bidding and $20 shipping, it will be a lot more than what you could buy those from members on here...:(

...I am curious what the final sales cost will be though...

It was just sorta a reference drawing to show all that is needed.

I marked it too..Wondering about the final price myself.
 






Awesome, finally someone actually has everything in one package! I going to keep on eye on this one. I might put a bid in too.
 
























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Thanks for all the help and links guys. Like I said before, I noticed the other day my pass side front hub was missing. I just got the ex a coupe weeks ago. I didn't do it:D. From what was left it looks like it was cracked when I got it. I just need the auto hub. but at about $180 a side and all the help and how-to's on this site I decided to go with manual hubs. I am only going with manual hubs cause its cheaper and it seems pretty easy. If someone has a spare auto hub for a reasonable price please let me know, I really would like to keep the auto hubs. I just going to clean them when I get a new auto hub. For now I just put the wheel center cover from rear on the front cause it don't have the hole in for the hub. I hope this keeps the exposed hub cleaner for a lil longer. Thanks again. You guys are awesome at providing all the info I will ever need. I am glad I joined such an active group. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.:D:D:D
 



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Sounds like you're going thru what I am going thru right now with my 91 X :) I am having major issues in getting mine to go into 4x4. Me thinks, and so does the rest of the gang here that its the auto hubs. I am going to try and clean them out first, see if that works, if not, then I am converting to manuals :) Good luck man!
 






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