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With those bearings (same ones i ordered off the same website), does the warranty papers come with the bearing or is the warranty off the website?
 



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i got my hub from autopartsdirect2you and they offer the warranty. you pay for a new one they send it, you replace the failed hub, you return the duff item they originally sold you and you get a refund. bit of a faff but it seems reasonable for a life time warranty
 






When I think of all the stuff I have put my explorer through, I'm surprised my hubs are still intact. I beat the hell out of my explorer. I drive over curbs at 10+mph all the time, drive through pot hole-redden fields at 35mph, I have even had my explorer air-born a few times across a few sweet hills. The nose of my explorer even bottomed out once off road and bent my grill guard brackets when I was going too fast. -just to name a few.

I love my explorer, every time I jump onto the highway its as quiet as can be inside the cabin at 70-75 mph. She has 50k miles on the clock and has never needed a single repair yet. My ex is even an '02, as an early build I would think I would be most vulnerable to 3gen issues. The only 3gen issues I've had is the cracked rear panel, and I've just left the crack there.

I'm running amsoil in the engine so I hope to get many many miles out of my engine.

JarheadK5, hope you've been able to get your hubs replaced, Lots of useful information in this thread!
 






One other thing - think about the speed your truck is going when you turn left through an intersection. Now think about how fast you're going when you turn right. It's not much of a difference - but it IS a difference. How many times have you turned left since you've had your truck?

By that logic, you would also have to consider that when you're turning left, you're unloading the left wheel bearings and putting most of the weight of the vehicle on the right bearings. So the right ones should be the ones going bad. No, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. It's probably more of a random odds thing. It just seems like there's lots of left bearings going bad. The drivers weight might be a factor (good point), but in reality it's probably just random.

Does anybody else have an engine noise? I have this crazy ssshhhhhhhhh noise when the engine is under load. Every time the trannys shifts, the noise goes away momentarily. It also goes away permanently once the truck is in 5th gear with the converter locked up. I thought at first that maybe the cats were broken up inside and rattling around, but smacking them with a rubber mallet didn't reveal that.

The other day, I was having some work done on it under warranty, and a 20 yr Ford mechanic told me that he heard the noise on the test drive, and that in his experience it was timing chain guides. Apparently, the chain eats thru the metal and rides on the aluminum, making the noise. It's very load sensative, and goes away at full throttle usually. I think he's dead right. I may dig into it, but not looking forward to that job. I've removed the cover on my Mustang Cobra before, and it's not very fun. You would also have to lock down the cams, meaning I would have to buy a 2v cam timing kit too. :-(
 






So i changed my hub out today due to the roar inside my truck when turning left or right and it was like night and day after I put the new hub in. My truck lost at least 95% of the noise. And the 5% may just be regular road noise...or the right front may be begining to go bad, not sure but when driving 40mph now (where the noise used to be the loudest) its practically SILENT! So im pretty much satisfied...best $140 I've spent in awhile =D And the labor wasnt hard at all...no special tools needs at all, except maybe a torque wrench. Unbolted the back three bolts behind the hub, knocked the halfshaft out of the hub using a block of wood and a 3lb hammer and just put the new one on there and bolted it up and put the caliper n all back on and plugged that bad boy in and i was ready to go. The advance track or w/e gave me a little crap, light came on for a second but went back off but everythings fine now so im happy =D
 






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By that logic, you would also have to consider that when you're turning left, you're unloading the left wheel bearings and putting most of the weight of the vehicle on the right bearings. So the right ones should be the ones going bad. No, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. It's probably more of a random odds thing. It just seems like there's lots of left bearings going bad. The drivers weight might be a factor (good point), but in reality it's probably just random.

Does anybody else have an engine noise? I have this crazy ssshhhhhhhhh noise when the engine is under load. Every time the trannys shifts, the noise goes away momentarily. It also goes away permanently once the truck is in 5th gear with the converter locked up. I thought at first that maybe the cats were broken up inside and rattling around, but smacking them with a rubber mallet didn't reveal that.

The other day, I was having some work done on it under warranty, and a 20 yr Ford mechanic told me that he heard the noise on the test drive, and that in his experience it was timing chain guides. Apparently, the chain eats thru the metal and rides on the aluminum, making the noise. It's very load sensative, and goes away at full throttle usually. I think he's dead right. I may dig into it, but not looking forward to that job. I've removed the cover on my Mustang Cobra before, and it's not very fun. You would also have to lock down the cams, meaning I would have to buy a 2v cam timing kit too. :-(

i dont know steve....the timing chain is driving the cams and the load on them is constant i would have thought, the cams arent any harder to turn when accel, cruise or coast or gear change. is the chain gear behnd the serpentine belt? might be doable in situ. what a back breaker tho!
 






i having a very similar problem with my 03 explorer , i was all excited that i finally got it all buttoned up from putting in a new 4.0 and drove it only to hear what sounder like a l/f bearing making noise. pulled the left front hub out and it made some noise just spinning it :thumbsup: , thought i had found my problem. replaced l/f hub and bearing and front pads and rotors. noise still there:thumbdwn:. anyone have alittle more guidance for me , it seems to make the noise going straight and swearving back and forth doesnt seem to change it at all but above 40mph it seems to lessen. checked the differential fluid which was full and tried rotating the tires but still the same. was hoping to take it on a 600 mile road triip tuesday for the holidays but alittle scared to take it now.

found it , swearving left and right at first made the noise change in pitch , so i replaced the left front , had same noise but not as bad and now it didnt change in pitch at all in either direction. pulled the right front hub and bearing and it was toast. problem fixed noise gone. thanks for all the useful information on this site it makes problem solving easier , thanks everyone for making this site so great.
 






i dont know steve....the timing chain is driving the cams and the load on them is constant i would have thought, the cams arent any harder to turn when accel, cruise or coast or gear change. is the chain gear behnd the serpentine belt? might be doable in situ. what a back breaker tho!

To repair the timing chain or guides, you have to pull off the radiator, fan, shroud, harmonic balancer, PS pulley, and probably the valve covers. The serpentine belt would obviously have to come off to get at those others. I have all the tools, and have done this type of job before on my 97 Cobra motor, but it's never any fun. And being a truck, I figure it will be harder to work on due to it's height.
 






I have a 2002 with 190k miles on it. I've had the left front wheel hub replaced once, the right front twice, the right rear twice. The left rear is original.
All of these but the first time on the RR was done at the local Ford Garage. I had my local Tire supply/mechanical repair do the first RR. Unfortunatly they screwed up the Rear diff seal, and broke my E-brake shoes off. I didn't know until two months later, when I had the Ford Garage pull the hub to find out what the noise was. The e-brake shoes (originals) were laying in the hub. The rear diff was leaking. I had all the repairs done again by Ford Garage.
This particular stealership has been very good on prices. They have also done good work.
It seems like everytime something goes wrong, it's either -10 deg. outside, or it's pouring rain.

Dave
 






The rear brake shoes problem seems to be common. When I pulled my drums off (a northern truck), there was nothing left of the shoe lining but a sliver laying in the bottom. The shoes were completely rusty, as if they had been laying on the ground for a couple years. I'm not sure why they rust out so bad, but apparently they do.

Other people seem to have trouble breaking the shoes, when they pull the rotors off. I believe this to be one and the same problem. They break because they're junk, not really because of what someone did when they disassembled them. Sure, you could bust the round plug out of the backing plate and back off the brake shoe adjuster, to help get the rotor off without breaking the shoes. But the way I look at it, if the shoes are that weak that they would break easily, I don't want to reuse them anyway. Ironically, my Ebrake seemed to work fine for parking purposes. I was shocked when I pulled my rotors and found that there was nothing left of the shoes. Napa had the shoes in stock, reasonably. And the hardware kit as well. There are 2 different hardware kits available, depending on the shoe width. So measure the old shoe linings, or keep the old hardware when you go to buy the new kit.

Here's a BIG tip: I used a headlight adjusting tool to pull the brake springs off and on. The tool looks like a bent screwdriver with a T handle, and a small hook at the end. Regular brake shoe tools will not work, because the hub flange almost completely covers those tiny shoes, making it real hard to get in there.

The original rear diff seal has a small tool that you are supposed to snap over the seal when removing the axle, apparently so you don't rip the seal getting it out. The original seal is 2 piece... one on the cv axle, one in the rear end. These type seals apparently had a history of problems. The hot ticket is to replace the seals while you're doing the axle bearing job. The axle pops out easily with just a block of 1x1 wood and a few easy taps. The new seal is a one piece design that is much better looking. In my case, at 100k, 1 seal was leaking, the other was fine. I replaced both. I lucked up and found the new version seals on Ebay for $20 shipped for both, including a new pinion seal I didn't need. Normally, they're $25 each from Ford. Make SURE you get the latest seal design. Apparently, they've revamped them like 5 times before they got one that really works. I used a 1x1 that was about 24" long, with a bearing driver that I lag bolted into the end of the wood, to get the new seal in without having to buy the special driver tool from Rotunda.

There is a theory that the aftermarket Timken bearings will outlast the original Ford parts. I went with the Ford parts, finding a good deal on them on Ebay. Every now and then there will be some Ford store or Explorer owner who has the original part for sale under $100.
 






Important question!!

In-work on the job as I type. Bad weather and the USAF kinda spoiled my plans to have this done before Christmas...

Got the 3 hub bolts out with far less hassle than I thought they were going to give me. A Craftsman 3/8"drive socket (15mm I think), a 4" extension, and a 3/8" breaker bar (with a cheater) was all it took.

I'm now in the process of trying to press the hub out of the knuckle, but the hub does NOT want to come out. The outer CV stubshaft is not holding things back at all - I can push the outer stub in and out of the hub splines by hand. I'm using a 3-jaw puller on the hub, pushing on the CV stubshaft. Several good whacks with a hammer & punch around the hub flange (where it presses into the knuckle), with pressure applied from the puller, still hasn't budged things.

I've applied as much pressure as I currently feel comfortable with against the CV stub (steering wheel is straight so the CV shaft is as straight as possible). Is it OK to keep pressing on the CV stub to get the hub to pop??
 






I haven't personally done a front yet, so others please chime in. But since you are in the middle of the job, let me throw my .02 in anyway. The front hub is pulled with FWD Hub Remover Tool, Rotunda part # 205-D070. It's commonly available in the aftermarket, like OTC. Here is the order the front parts come off:

1 2B120 Front disc brake caliper
Removal Note
2 W706540-S Front axle wheel hub retainer
Removal Note
2 W706540-S Front axle wheel hub retainer
Installation Note
3 N800895-S Tie-rod end nut
Removal Note
4 N807144-S Stabilizer bar link nut
5 W520214-S Upper ball joint nut
Removal Note
6 3A427 Front halfshaft assembly
Removal Note
6 3A427 Front halfshaft assembly
Installation Note
7 3010/1175 Front axle halfshaft seal and bearing
Removal Note
7 3010/1175 Front axle halfshaft seal and bearing
Installation Note

If you get stuck, send me your email address and I can probably email you the instructions from the Ford manual.
 






Success!

I Googled "205-D070" and, between the web and image search results, figured out that my 3-jaw puller was doing the same thing as the Ford-spec'd tool (which, BTW, looks just like a tool I know as a "steering wheel puller"). So I did 1 turn on the puller screw, then a few good whacks with the 32oz deadblow and punch around the hub-to-knuckle flange; 1 turn, a few whacks; repeat as necessary. It took several reps of this routine to finally see daylight between the hub and knuckle.

*Note - I did not disconnect the tie rod, the upper control arm, or the stab bar link. Looking back, I dunno whether this helped or hindered me... but it's done so I honestly don't care at this point.

Torquing down the new hub bolts was much more of a hassle than when I took the old ones out. I cleaned-up the old hub bolts and used them to pull the new hub into place. Once it was bottomed-out in the knuckle, I tightened the CV shaft nut, then installed the new hub bolts. This caused the PITA interference issue that everyone seems to report - sockets don't want to fit, extensions are either too long or too short, etc. I ended up rounding-off the drive end of the 15mm socket on my bench grinder to help it fit next to the CV shaft. Once I removed enough material (wasn't all that much...), it worked like a charm.

Test drive was smooth and quiet - my wife and I had both forgotten just how quiet this truck is when everything's working right.
I'm happy it's fixed and I don't have to worry about it anymore.
She's happy I took care of her truck... now she says she's gonna take care of me. ;) :D

Thanks to everyone for their help!
 






3 hub bolts

glad its fixed jarhead. hub change was my first real job on my explorer. the beariing was shot as was the sensor so had abs and 4x4 troubles with it. removing and torqueing the 3 bolts was made easier by turning steering fully left and working on the rear and top bolts and fully the other for forward. and spinning the wheel to get the best clearance from the cv boot clamp. i got 3 surprising good extensions from autozone too, 1", 3" and 12" for $11. rented the specialist tools from az too, great service. glad you are rolling again, hoorah!
 






About to take on rear bearing of 02 Mountaineer

I am about to take on the left rear bearing and hub. When it comes to getting the bearing out, would you recommend using a properly sized socket to press it out? I will use the old race, as you suggested, to get the new bearing in the hub. When pressing the new hub into the new bearing, you said it was important to support the new bearing from the opposite side. Would you recommend a bearing splitter or 38-42mm socket to provide that support? Last question, does it matter which side of the knuckle from which you press the bearing in or out? Thanks in advance for all your help.
 






BTT, little hard to find but a lot have been asking about wheel bearings, this is a GREAT post on it. . .
 






i just figure after reading all of these posts for the last hour i would like to comment. i am having the same trouble as your all talking about and now have answered all of my questions. the front wheelbearing i will fix my self. i am very confident after all of the responses that i can do this with eas.

thanks again
 






Sorry to Rob Samtmann, somehow I didn't get a notification email about your post.

For those brave souls considering doing the rear wheel bearings on 02-up Explorers, let me just say that it is definitely not a real easy job, because of the need to press the bearing in and out of the hub. On the front end, the hub/bearing assembly bolts in as an assembly. But on the rear, the bearing has to come out of the hub. And getting it out is a mother.

Because only one side of the bearing/race edge is fully accessible, there is no easy way to get the old bearing out. Getting the new bearing in is pretty much just being careful with the press and adapters, and supporting the back side of the bearing CAREFULLY, so you don't end up pressing the guts of the bearing right out the back side of the spindle. (The back side would be the side facing the wheel, not facing inboard). The trick is to use a big socket & hammer to bust out the guts of the bearing, leaving only the race left in the spindle. That part is easy enough. But the race OD must be about .4 freakin inches larger than the ID of the spindle, because it don't come out easy at all. The only leverage you have on the race at all is because the race is double-tapered, so the middle of the race is the thickest part.

Using a 20 ton shop press and the best adapters I could find to use, I couldn't budge the race. After talking to a mechanic friend of mine (who immediately had that facial expression that said everything), I followed his advice and used a cutting wheel to deeply notch the race in 2 spots, across from eachother. This weakened the integrity of the race enough that when I went back and used the press again, the press was able to shatter the race and get it out. Even that took major press leverage... I thought I was going to break the press. And it sounded like I did when it finally popped.

By the way, you have to see the old bearing apart to appreciate that it is one big race, with 2 tapered bearings facing towards eachother. So when you press in the new bearing, keep in mind that while youre pressing in on one bearing, your also sort of pressing out on the other. This is why you need to carefully support the backside of that bearing. Somewhere earlier in this thread I outlined exactly what parts I used to do that. It was a big ball valve from Lowe's I think, that happened to have the right size.

Another note... even if you shatter the old race getting it out, keep the pieces, because you just might need to piece it back together, to use it as a press adapter for installing the new bearing. Just think it out carefully when you're pressing it all back together.

Also, be careful not to cut too deep with the whizzer wheel, That bearing race is thick, but it's much thicker in the middle than on the outer sides of it. You have to sort of look at it, and imagine the thickness when you're cutting. It was probably 1/4" thick or so in the middle, but maybe not even an 1/8 at the outer edges. In my case, I didn't have the press at the location I was doing the job, so I needed to cut it deep enough the first time. If the press were right where I was doing the job, I could have kept cutting a little deeper each time, try to press it out, cut some more, try again, etc.

I did this guess well the first side. But when I did the 2nd side a few weeks later, I got overconfident and lazy when it came to being careful about how much I cut the race, and I went into the spindle some. So I had a friend tig weld the cut up some, and spend considerable time trying to reshape the area back to smooth again. You really don't want to have to do that!

To answer Robs question, I think I used a big socket to support it, but can't remember. The details are in this thread somewhere. As for getting it out, I pounded out the guts of the bearing with a socket, then cut the race in 2 opposing spots, and then used the press to shatter the race. When I tried to use the press to get the race out, I think part of the problem (not cutting the race) was that the race is double tapered. So when I was pressing down on the high middle part of the race, it was also probably spreading that pressure out as well as down, wedging the race even further. Ford should have not made that lip on the outer side of the spindle, and just left it open the size of the race OD, and then used a snap ring instead, along with a press fit, to hold the bearing in place. Or at least cut a few notches in the spindle, so you could use a press with a few "teeth" on the adapter to push on it.
 






I'm finding confusing/conflicting info. on the CORRECT part No. for a 2002 Explorer w/4 wheel drive? Anybody know for SURE which is correct? 515050 or 515003?
Mine is an early 2002 Eddie Bauer version w/4.0 and 4 wheel drive and I'm looking at replacing the fronts??
 



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Without looking them up, could it be that one is the bearing by itself, and the other is the hub assembly? I forget exactly where it applied, but somewhere I remember finding that Ford originally called for an assembly replacement, but later revised the repair path to include the option that you could press out the bearing with a press, and install a new one. (That might have been in the back, where you might could buy just the bearing, or the bearing kit, which includes the snap ring and one other piece... I forget what).
 






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