Off to the dark side...

[tdavis]

Got it back a few weeks ago. Photos of the cams from the old engine show the lifter issue scoring of the cam. They would of been suspect.

Driving it yesterday to get some miles on the engine, and it died on the road. AAA tow back to the house with an angry phone call/visit to the dealership monday AM. OBD reader shows lots of codes, looks like some sort of engine electrical harness issue.

 

[Josh P]

Figure about a year for them to get it right. Speaking from experience. I'm a happy lifelong ex customer.

 

[BKennedy]

How come 410 can swap a 5.0 in a truck where it was never intended and completely rewire it so it all work and a dealership can't even replace an engine without screwing it up? Don't answer, rhetorical question.

Dealerships hate people like us that have enough knowledge to understand replacing an engine isn't all that difficult for a large shop. With all the issues for that particular engine, they should be able to do it in their sleep.

Yesterday, there was a Jeep like yours idling in a parking lot and as I walked past could hear it ticking loudly. I thought it was a diesel at first, but it was a gasser on it's death bed.

 

[tdavis]

Yea, the lifter death tick can happen anytime.. I've heard of engine with 150k miles and no ticket, engines with 50k miles and tick tick tick.

The big issue is what the metal scoring/wear did to the rest of the engine bearing surfaces, even with high quality 100% synthetic oil and filters.

 

[Josh P]

How come 410 can swap a 5.0 in a truck where it was never intended and completely rewire it so it all work and a dealership can't even replace an engine without screwing it up? Don't answer, rhetorical question.

Dealerships hate people like us that have enough knowledge to understand replacing an engine isn't all that difficult for a large shop. With all the issues for that particular engine, they should be able to do it in their sleep.

Yesterday, there was a Jeep like yours idling in a parking lot and as I walked past could hear it ticking loudly. I thought it was a diesel at first, but it was a gasser on it's death bed.

The answer is, this is how they get repeat business. If a dealership fixed an issue correctly the first time it cuts into profits. They'd rather fix it wrong, you come back so they can charge more to fix it right the 2nd time.

 

[Stic-o]

Dad still has your old Zuk, if you want it back.

 

[BKennedy]

The answer is, this is how they get repeat business. If a dealership fixed an issue correctly the first time it cuts into profits. They'd rather fix it wrong, you come back so they can charge more to fix it right the 2nd time.

I think you are giving the modern automotive dealership too much credit to think they have an established business model based upon anything other than general incompetence.

 

[Josh P]

I think you are giving the modern automotive dealership too much credit to think they have an established business model based upon anything other than general incompetence.

I've had it happen enough times to think that. I've also noticed things like, having the dealer replace intake hoses to fix a boost leak, to see they loosened an exhaust clamp to create another leak in hopes of a return visit.

 

[410Fortune]

Dealer should be able to change an engine in a day or two
Check fluids, road test, return to customer

I can
Leaks are incredibly rare if the work is done properly the first time through
Hardly ever do I even hear a peep
From My customers once they get their vehicle back

These jeeps have wireless communications between the PCM and modules….. we had nothing but issues with that stuff. And the one place that could not help me fix it was the dealer. I had to diy for the abs module
The tire pressure monitors the dealer could not sort out literally took two hours at Les Schwab and $200

I’ve never had good luck with shops or dealerships come to think of it. Usually it’s $200 to tell you they could not duplicate the issue. You get screwed over enough you learn to do everything yourself and stick with the 4.0 pushrod, 5.0 pushrod and 7.3 pushrod forever no exceptions!!
lol lol lol

I can change a 4 cyl a 3.0 a 4.0 ohv or sohc or 5.0 out better then a dealer because I work so closely on these trucks I know what to expect. A jeep dealer should be fluent in Jeep engines….

 

[tdavis]

Dad still has your old Zuk, if you want it back.

Yea, I did that harness myself. As much as I miss that thing, we don't have space for it here.

There is no wireless communications between systems in the JK. It's all hard wired canbus based however. The JL's are worse..

The long block swap takes two days due to moving over parts from the old engine and new stuff.