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Limited02 · May 30, 2009

Hope it makes it through tuning as well. Make a video clip when you are tuning it!!! Good luck

Jakee · May 30, 2009

awdrocks said:
K I was a little buzzed last night Ill be on cload nine if it makes it through the tuning ,)

Don't sing it; BRING IT!!!

(in a joking way)

And to add to the motivation here, I just ordered some tires so you'll see my times start coming down. Here I come 12's

awdrocks · May 30, 2009

Jakee said:
Don't sing it; BRING IT!!! (in a joking way)

And to add to the motivation here, I just ordered some tires so you'll see my times start coming down. Here I come 12's

haha... Love stirring up emotions

Good luck with those 12s!

If all goes as planned I plan on skipping over 12s

Jakee · May 30, 2009

That would be nice (Skip the 12's)

I guess I have to do some research and see what you have up your sleeve?

Limited02 · May 31, 2009

Jakee said:
That would be nice (Skip the 12's)

I guess I have to do some research and see what you have up your sleeve?

He does have a nice setup

5.0 stroked 4.6 supercharged with heads and cams?. You dorks are aiming for 12's? Shoot, I am already hitting high 9's.....

........in the 1/8

Jakee · May 31, 2009

Yeah, I checked out the new set-up (AWDrocks) yesterday. I like!

If this set-up doesn't yeild the results your looking for, I know how to get you there; blow thru the blower with a turbo. (I'm not joking either; it's been done many times)

Limited02 · May 31, 2009

Yep, known as Compound Boosting. It's becoming pretty popular for the GT500 crowd because Hellion has built a setup for them. But an easier and cheaper way would be to spray it with some nitrous

Jakee · May 31, 2009

Limited02 said:
Yep, known as Compound Boosting. It's becoming pretty popular for the GT500 crowd because Hellion has built a setup for them. But an easier and cheaper way would be to spray it with some nitrous

I was going to come back in here and say that but you beat me to it.

It would stay lighter just to add nitrous. When I read about blowing thru a blower with a turbo my thought was you're adding a bunch more weight to the vehicle and I'm curious if the benefits outweigh this? The other bad things I can think about (theory only), although this might not affect some, is the blower is still going to rob from the engine and the heated air will still be in the equation.
Then again, AWDRocks has an intercooler and don't know many blower guys that have this. I'm not sure what to expect from this set-up. I'm eagerly waiting for the results.

Limited02 · May 31, 2009

I will send you a link about this comparo. The blower will become a restriction when trying to achieve higher boost numbers. It's a good setup on the street because you get the lowend torque of the blower and continue to build power on top with the turbo.

Crap, their was a nice talk about the compound setup on SVTperformance a week or so ago with dyno numbers and everything. There is one setup that removed th blower and ran the TT only at 17lbs of boost. Made more power at 17lbs on just the turbos than it did at 17lbs with the blower/turbo combo. But the lowend power was gone.

Jakee · May 31, 2009

Hey awdrocks - are you camping out in this thread?

(I've came in here a couple times today and noticed you're an active veiwer.)

awdrocks · May 31, 2009

Hehe... I've been cooking dual power adders since before the hallion even came out. There's a thread somewhere were I was talking about it. My original plan was to do it with the allen kit I have but then tork tech came out with the 1900 series Eaton TVS for 2v's, bad ass. ALMOST bought. But then I decided to keep going with my allen project as I want to be the first 2v/m90 to bust 400whp... I think ill easily break that number if my setup works out. Best number to date is 397 from a Mustang, but he didn't have a big bore (oh btw I don't have a stroker I
have a big bore), meth, over spun blower, my heads ect... But then again I have a huge handicap with my drivetrain. So we will see.

My blower with a 2.5 blower pully was spinning at 15,000 rpms or about 7psi, the 2.5 pulley is actually designed for 9psi but my better flowing motor dropped my restriction about 2psi... So instead of going down to a 2.25 or smaller pulley to up the boost, instead I got a 8.5" dampener and actually got a bigger blower pully to a 2.65 for even better gip and went a 8rib. This combo is going to yield the blower to spin at just under 20,000 rpm's, were even the 2.25 pully put it like at 16,700. I also changed my blower case for the much better flowing magnum powers case, it won't warp as its a harder material. And I modified my intake to flow nicely with the bigger inlet of the case.

What's working against me? Heat heat heat! Spinning an m90 this fast would in result in diminishing returns. So that's why I'm spraying meth... AFTER the intercooler brick and rotors. So if I can turn off the heat with setup should rip. I also cancelled the egr so it will help in dropping those iat's.

So if this works out this m90 should make some pretty serious power.

So that's that.

Now back to the dual power adder. The more I thought about doing it with the tvs or m90, the more I lean towards the m90 because it should hit much harder down low and mid range if this setup works. So my plan is to make the blower work off a clutch like an ac compressor. Once it reaches a determined rpm, the blower will just become a gree spinning pully with no drag as the turbo starts to take over. Then the transition from blower to turbo air can be controlled with like a butter fly that the power adder that creates more pressure will win therefore the butterfly once the transition of air is made will totally cut the weaker power adder out, like shutting the valve on that power adder, therefore creating a smooth transition of power.

That's all theory right now maybe plans will change on the setup but its what I have cooking right now.

I will be using a big big turbo also at will be for higher powerband. With this setup I will be looking for some serious power and ETs. Looking for the 900-1000whp range and shooting for 9's. I will have to address staronger rods and crank and drive train.

But... I'm determined for this to be in the works very soon if this current stage I just finished works out.
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Jakee · May 31, 2009

Darn, that's one hell of a plan. I feel like a baby now.

Limited02 · May 31, 2009

Jakee said:
Darn, that's one hell of a plan. I feel like a baby now.

You feel like a baby? I feel like I haven't even been born yet

I really need to do a power adder! I have a few small bolton's I can do but I will be sitting on high 14's at best. I would love to see how Trick Flow's new 2V head works out and pair that up with a new intake and cams. If I could run high 13's NA then I think I would be satisfied.(maybe

) Otherwise, I also have an M90 supercharger and intercooler from a 1992 Ford Supercoupe sitting at my dads. We were looking at how to make it sit off to the side(vortech style) and make it work. But I would much rather it sit directly on top like it's supposed too.

Good luck hitting those 11's. If I remember, cobra guys love their eatons because they produced big torque numbers at lower rpms than KB and Whipples did. Seal off the siliencer holes on the bottom and make them SCREAM!!!!!!!!!! I know you have a lot of work done to the motor and that supercharger, but I am predicting around 440HP and 500lbs ft of torque at the wheels. I see you hitting around 12.3-12.5 in the 1/4. So that's my guess and I hope you can prove me wrong. Not hating or calling you out, just what I think

Good luck and make sure you RECORD your dyno run and drag run

Jakee · May 31, 2009

Last time he guessed a 1/4 mile time he was spot on. I think he sneaks to all our houses and looks at everything we've done to figure all this out.

CDW6212R · May 31, 2009

Alex it's good to hear that you still have the enthusiasm to do this. I remember when we talked about the dual boost project.

Back then the issue was the AWD, which we still haven't pushed to the limit to find it. I see the intercooler as being a big help for you, the tuning can be much better. The timing can go up, as well as more of the fuel being for power instead of to mask detonation.

Have you researched any other Ford trucks for a transfer case? I think if Ford put the BW4406 in behind the 4R70W's, they surely have something similar for the 5R55W's. Why not consider swapping to a larger TC, maybe there is a TOD version like the BW4406. That makes it A4WD, which is an option for the Explorer now. I'm hinting at a larger TC, assuming that the Explorer version now is a smaller type like the BW4405 of the V6 trucks. I'm swapping to the BW4406 mainly for the strength.

awdrocks · May 31, 2009

The Cobras actually have an M112 which is bigger.
And the new blower case from Magnum Powers
I just put on already has the sound holes
Slits removed

when I started the motor a
Couple weeks ago the blower was a lot loader

I'm pretty excited though because I logged my iat's with the meth in the new position and the temps dropped like the Grand Canyon as I blipped the gas in my garage.

As far as my numbers and et's, I also think ill be in the mid 400's.

If the meth does wonders to the iat's and can be in the upper 4's and using some LIGHT wheels and not these 44pnd wheels I could maybe kiss 11's. Wishful thinking

Plan on using like a gt42r or bif Borge W... Maybe a massive inexpensive Holset, but whatever I use it most likely be a hybrid designed for top end... Ill let my turboguru tell me what to put on.
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CDW6212R · May 31, 2009

There are a couple of people who have finished an intercooler for a normal Kenne Bell 302 system. They went from an easy but hot IAT's 400-450hp to over 500hp without meth/H2O. They do have KB 2200's or the new KB 2100, which are high volume efficient blowers. Power gets much more drivable when the IAT's drop a lot.

If you consider a turbo, do just a turbo. You can get a properly sized turbo that will give near instant boost, and full power at the top rpm's. It just takes a pro to select the turbo components. That works out simpler and cheaper than a dual boost system.

awdrocks · May 31, 2009

Yes we have talked about this dual power adders.

Still working out the details on the drivetrain. But concidering all options at this point and concidering what we talked about.

I want to try the dual power adder because I think even the narliest hybrid won't give 90% of the power before 1,900 rpms! It would be an absolute beast from start to finish. And at that I would spend some money almost having to convert everything back to a NA, intake ect. I'm just looking for excuses to try this huh? Lol
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Limited02 · June 1, 2009

As far as turbos, I hear that getting a turbo with ball bearings is best because it will help with your spool time.

I really think that awdrocks and Mounty03 are VERY close in power and times. Mounty03 with more HP and awdrocks with more torque. I predict that awdrocks will beat mounty03 off the line because of his lowend power, but mounty03 will start gaining ground because of his mid/top end power. So I think they will run similar times with mounty03 trapping a little bit higher MPH in the 1/4.

Let the games begin

awdrocks · June 1, 2009

Ok I cleaned up the list!

Check it through everyone and if there is something missing on yours send me a PM and ill get you straight!

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