P0019 2011 Limited

[MattHoss]

Hey everyone,

I'm at wits end here. Posted back in December my water pump went out. I took it to my mechanic and they replaced the water pump. I have 188,000 miles on the truck. During the install my mechanic indicated it was time to probably replace the timing chain and tensioner. I agreed and they installed the kit. The last two times I've driven the truck it has been idling rough. I drove it last night and its like I have no power in 4th gear and has to drop down to 3rd. I now have code P0019 - Crankshaft Position error Bank 2 sensor B. I've read a few other forums ( Ford F150 and such ) and most indications seem to relate to the timing chain. This isn't and easy place to get too. Full transparency here I've had code P0430 for awhile but its never affected anything and it comes and goes. If this is a timing chain issue, what's the change the shop will look at it on their dime since they just installed it?

What would be some of my options at diagnosing. I know the shop will want me to bring it in, but I just spent 2k on the water pump.

Grasping at straws....

 

[03WIExplorerLtd]

Hey everyone,

I'm at wits end here. Posted back in December my water pump went out. I took it to my mechanic and they replaced the water pump. I have 188,000 miles on the truck. During the install my mechanic indicated it was time to probably replace the timing chain and tensioner. I agreed and they installed the kit. The last two times I've driven the truck it has been idling rough. I drove it last night and its like I have no power in 4th gear and has to drop down to 3rd. I now have code P0019 - Crankshaft Position error Bank 2 sensor B. I've read a few other forums ( Ford F150 and such ) and most indications seem to relate to the timing chain. This isn't and easy place to get too. Full transparency here I've had code P0430 for awhile but its never affected anything and it comes and goes. If this is a timing chain issue, what's the change the shop will look at it on their dime since they just installed it?

What would be some of my options at diagnosing. I know the shop will want me to bring it in, but I just spent 2k on the water pump.

Grasping at straws....

Have them look at it. A good independent mechanic will stand by their work. Motorcraft parts include a labor warranty and do pay for damage caused to other parts.

 

[peterk9]

I think the P0430 code issue should also be addressed as there is something wrong to cause that.

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Peter

 

[MattHoss]

I think the P0430 code issue should also be addressed as there is something wrong to cause that.

Need help with OBD code P0430

2011 Explorer, 108k. The check engine light recently came on my Explorer, code P0430 - Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 2). After some online the research the easy signs pointed to the downstream O2 sensor on bank two. I replaced both downstream sensors and reset the codes. It...

www.explorerforum.com

Fix P0420 P0430 for only 10$

Hello all Before two weeks ago my engine warning light turn on and after check by (torque app) it show me this code warning P0420 and P0430 some mechanics told me i need to change the oxigen sensores and the other told me i need to replace the catalyst! But after many searching in google and...

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Peter

I agree and it comes and goes. I probably need new cats, but as I've read. Typically if you need new catalytic converters, something else is going on in the engine. I talked to the guys at the shop I use last week. Going to drop it off there this week for them to look at.

 

[MattHoss]

I got a call from the shop today. They have diagnosed my issues down the the VVT solenoids. Apparently the truck has thrown additional codes since I first pulled the P0010. Both bank 1 and bank 2 will be replaced.

 

[MattHoss]

Just figured I'd close this thread out. It's not a good prognosis. The VVT solenoids were replaced and the truck still wasn't running correctly. The next option was to change the cam phasers. The issue with that, like changing the water pump is, I'm looking at a $2,400 bill. I just spent $2,300 to have the water pump, and timing chain replaced. In talking with the guys at the shop, the other more long term option would be a new engine. The shop sourced an engine and it would cost 6k and take 6 weeks to come in. At this point, I'm not throwing any more parts or money at this thing. The shop didn't charge me for the solenoids and work, just $190 diagnostic fee. I don't know if this design flaw has been fixed in newer models, but I'm not looking at another Explorer. I guess any other make has their flaws, but at this point I'm soon to be no longer an Explorer owner.

 

[Satz]

Sorry that issue is costing into the space of diminishing returns now. Had this happen. My toyota tundra blew its transmission and valve body. got it back after a re built of 5k and a tree fell on it and totalled it in 2 weeks. total pia.

 

[MattHoss]

Dang Satz, sorry to hear that!!!!! Yup, it sucks all the way around. Selling my Explorer today.

 

[Odrapnew]

Just figured I'd close this thread out. It's not a good prognosis. The VVT solenoids were replaced and the truck still wasn't running correctly. The next option was to change the cam phasers. The issue with that, like changing the water pump is, I'm looking at a $2,400 bill. I just spent $2,300 to have the water pump, and timing chain replaced. In talking with the guys at the shop, the other more long term option would be a new engine. The shop sourced an engine and it would cost 6k and take 6 weeks to come in. At this point, I'm not throwing any more parts or money at this thing. The shop didn't charge me for the solenoids and work, just $190 diagnostic fee. I don't know if this design flaw has been fixed in newer models, but I'm not looking at another Explorer. I guess any other make has their flaws, but at this point I'm soon to be no longer an Explorer owner.

I guess I wouldn't call it a design flaw.
You have 188k miles, stuff starts to fail.

I understand your complaint though, paying a lot of money to fix the water pump and replace chains/tensioners only to have to tear it all apart again for a different failure a few months later.

 

[Satz]

I guess I wouldn't call it a design flaw.
You have 188k miles, stuff starts to fail.

I have 185 and i am having some issues going on all the time. 200-300 a month every 3 to 4 months now. But i have not done the water pump or timing belt. just going to run it as long as it goes now.

 

[MattHoss]

I guess I wouldn't call it a design flaw.
You have 188k miles, stuff starts to fail.

I understand your complaint though, paying a lot of money to fix the water pump and replace chains/tensioners only to have to tear it all apart again for a different failure a few months later.

@Odrapnew - I understand under the hood and within the engine compartment there is valuable real estate space. The design flaw in my mind would be placement. These parts are not easily serviceable. When your talking $1,500 - $1,700 in labor costs to replace a $200 part. I just don't have the time nor space to tear down the engine. I'm told in later models this has changed, maybe not. I'm just bummed my 2011 Explorer went out like this.

 

[Odrapnew]

@Odrapnew - I understand under the hood and within the engine compartment there is valuable real estate space. The design flaw in my mind would be placement. These parts are not easily serviceable. When your talking $1,500 - $1,700 in labor costs to replace a $200 part. I just don't have the time nor space to tear down the engine. I'm told in later models this has changed, maybe not. I'm just bummed my 2011 Explorer went out like this.

Ok, I see what you are saying now.
It depends on how you interpret what a design flaw is.

In my eyes, a design flaw is the water pump's potential to take out the engine if it leaks.