PedalMAX

[herrick2014]

Has anyone heard about Pedalmax for ecoboost engines it connects to throttle pedal to help with throttle response I've read good reviews.

 

[sheltonfilms]

Its a basic signal converter. It increases your throttle plate opening sooner for each throttle pedal position.

Since your throttle plate opens more with less throttle it means that you get full throttle at something like 80-90% pedal travel instead of 100%.

Sprint Booster is the same thing and they give a good explanation.

https://www.sprintboostersales.com/How-It-Works.cfm

 

[rmcalis]

I realize there are R&D costs, but the price seems awfully high for the electronics involved.

 

[herrick2014]

Thanks guys for the input. Still considering it though.

 

[Odrapnew]

You’d probably be better off just getting a tune from a reputable vendor. For a little more money, you’ll gain more than just throttle response from what I’ve heard.

 

[Napalm]

+1 to getting a tune setup. that throttle response map is also a program parameter set in the computer logic. HOwever it also correlates to a fuel ramp and an boost controller such that the computer can anticipate additional throttle increase and pre upmt fuel and boost to ride with.

IE - you're knocking back at 40% - which is at fuel map X, with boost value X and with timing and other values - you slap on to 80%.

Version 1) fake throttle unit - the car suddenly surges to 80+% throttle command, fuel map takes 2 ms to catch up, as does boost ramp and timing etc. smoke puffs out of the tail pipes because of unburnt gas - and the engine has to surge and back off to catch up.

Version 2 Proper tune map - car suddelty surges out to 80+% throttle but does so using the new adjusted parameter curve of 1.3% per mV of input from the throttle sensor (gas pedal) as such the fuel ramp was also adjusted for the new curve along with Boost control and timing - so now the engine anticipates a % increase with each milivolt and is ready for Y value fuel, and boost with timing to match and less or no smoke out the tail pipes the car runs better across the map because of the rest of the tune and you get better mpg's.

I highly suggest a solid tune over ECU fake outs.

 

[herrick2014]

+1 to getting a tune setup. that throttle response map is also a program parameter set in the computer logic. HOwever it also correlates to a fuel ramp and an boost controller such that the computer can anticipate additional throttle increase and pre upmt fuel and boost to ride with.

IE - you're knocking back at 40% - which is at fuel map X, with boost value X and with timing and other values - you slap on to 80%.

Version 1) fake throttle unit - the car suddenly surges to 80+% throttle command, fuel map takes 2 ms to catch up, as does boost ramp and timing etc. smoke puffs out of the tail pipes because of unburnt gas - and the engine has to surge and back off to catch up.

Version 2 Proper tune map - car suddelty surges out to 80+% throttle but does so using the new adjusted parameter curve of 1.3% per mV of input from the throttle sensor (gas pedal) as such the fuel ramp was also adjusted for the new curve along with Boost control and timing - so now the engine anticipates a % increase with each milivolt and is ready for Y value fuel, and boost with timing to match and less or no smoke out the tail pipes the car runs better across the map because of the rest of the tune and you get better mpg's.

I highly suggest a solid tune over ECU fake outs.

But dealer can see tune they cannot see a plug in

 

[rmcalis]

But dealer can see tune they cannot see a plug in

I have a SCT tune on my '10 Explorer Sport Trac. Before I take it to the dealer for service, I reinstall the OEM tune. Not sure if a history is left somewhere in the system, but they've never mentioned it.

 

[613GT500]

I have a SCT tune on my '10 Explorer Sport Trac. Before I take it to the dealer for service, I reinstall the OEM tune. Not sure if a history is left somewhere in the system, but they've never mentioned it.

Supposedly, the ECU has a counter and while they may not be able to pinpoint the tune, they can assume it some sort of modification.

 

[herrick2014]

I have a SCT tune on my '10 Explorer Sport Trac. Before I take it to the dealer for service, I reinstall the OEM tune. Not sure if a history is left somewhere in the system, but they've never mentioned it.

Alright tune sounds fine but I would need an access port or similar device. They aren't making these for 2.3 ecoboost explorer.

 

[Napalm]

Alright tune sounds fine but I would need an access port or similar device. They aren't making these for 2.3 ecoboost explorer.

SO yes it seems newer computers have a count for flash updates - and that can be seen. There are some that say using the devices like HP Tuners or EFI live doesn't trip the counter. But I don't know for sure.

tripping the counter isn't necessarily bad. Keep in mind if they see something connected in the line to the throttle sensors - that will void your warranty. Not sure how easy the pedal max thing is to remove.

As for tunes for the 2.3 ecoboost - surprised they aren't out yet. but I was thinking more along the lines of looking up someone like Livernois or one of those shops that sell tunes on line - with a tuner pack product. YOu want a more custom tune

 

[TxRanger351w]

I have a friend who is running the PedalMax in both his Edge Sport and his Super Duty. He's also running the boost controller on the Edge. I will say, that Edge moves.

I'm looking at ways to make my N/A 3.5 be a little less gutless. It's frustrating sinking the pedal to 50% and there being no response. Or, worse, it just lugs along until the RPMs finally build up and the engine screams to redline.

 

[Daheim111]

This modification comes in Germany from "DTE" and it is called "pedal box"...used it with a 2013 Kia Sorento 2.0 Diesel AT (very good) but my Toyota FJ Cruiser 4.0 Gas MT becomes very very nervous (!) self if I have choiced the lowest (!) from 3 possible steps on this box...
I think my Sport has enough dynamic...but don`t know how dynamic the N/As are...

 

[Eric F]

There are a few throttle enhancer devices on the market. As far as I can tell, they all operate on the principle of amplifying the signal from the pedal.

I've been running a Pedal Commander with the 3.5 NA motor in my XLT for a couple of months. The PC has a tremendous amount of settings, and it took me a while to find the one that suited me best, but I like it quite a lot. Essentially, you get more throttle response with less pedal push. The vehicle definitely feels more responsive and more quickly excitable. Some have said "just pushing the pedal faster will get you the same thing". In theory, I suppose that's true. In the real world, I haven't been able to replicate how the vehicle responds with the PC just by changing the way I use my right foot without the PC (test this many many times). Yes, some of the same responsiveness can be gained by a tune. That said, throttle enhancer devices are also compatible with tunes and offer the ability to fine-tune the pedal responsiveness to your personal preference. One thing I really like about the Pedal Commander is the ability to immediately switch settings or turn it off with just a couple pushes of the button. The two settings I use are "wife-in-car" and "wife-not-in-car". It's also a super-easy and fast install/uninstall.

I have a Livernois tune on the way to me shortly. I intend to run both the tune and the Pedal Commander.

 

[TxRanger351w]

The last time I looked at Livernois they weren't tuning the NA engine, but I see now they have a 31HP file. Is that claimed at the wheel or at the crank? I don't know that $550 for 31HP at the crank is a worthwhile investment from my situation.

There are a few throttle enhancer devices on the market. As far as I can tell, they all operate on the principle of amplifying the signal from the pedal.

I've been running a Pedal Commander with the 3.5 NA motor in my XLT for a couple of months. The PC has a tremendous amount of settings, and it took me a while to find the one that suited me best, but I like it quite a lot. Essentially, you get more throttle response with less pedal push. The vehicle definitely feels more responsive and more quickly excitable. Some have said "just pushing the pedal faster will get you the same thing". In theory, I suppose that's true. In the real world, I haven't been able to replicate how the vehicle responds with the PC just by changing the way I use my right foot without the PC (test this many many times). Yes, some of the same responsiveness can be gained by a tune. That said, throttle enhancer devices are also compatible with tunes and offer the ability to fine-tune the pedal responsiveness to your personal preference. One thing I really like about the Pedal Commander is the ability to immediately switch settings or turn it off with just a couple pushes of the button. The two settings I use are "wife-in-car" and "wife-not-in-car". It's also a super-easy and fast install/uninstall.

I have a Livernois tune on the way to me shortly. I intend to run both the tune and the Pedal Commander.

 

[peterk9]

The last time I looked at Livernois they weren't tuning the NA engine, but I see now they have a 31HP file. Is that claimed at the wheel or at the crank? I don't know that $550 for 31HP at the crank is a worthwhile investment from my situation.

Found this using the handy 'Search' feature; http://www.explorerforum.com/forums...r-the-n-a-3-5l-explorers.420064/#post-3387941

Peter

 

[Eric F]

The last time I looked at Livernois they weren't tuning the NA engine, but I see now they have a 31HP file. Is that claimed at the wheel or at the crank? I don't know that $550 for 31HP at the crank is a worthwhile investment from my situation.

The dyno results posted by Livernois are at the wheels. They have been tuning the 3.5L TiVCT engine for a while, including the Explorer. Here's a thread on Livernois and NA Explorers...http://www.explorerforum.com/xenfor...rnois-only-for-the-n-a-3-5l-explorers.420064/

Livernois is the only tuner I'm currently aware of that offers tunes for the '17 version (apparently, different strategy codes that other tuners aren't up to speed with).