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rangerpeterj

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2000 Ford Ranger 4x4
I have a 2000 3.0 v6 4x4 ranger with 150,000 miles on it.The last year or so I have been getting poor gas mileage .I changed the plugs ,and cleaned the MAS new air filter ,seafoam treatment,changed oil & filter with no change on poor gas.Before I retired I would get 370 miles in a fillup now I,m lucky to get 250.The only thing I can think of is the original coil pack is getting week.The truck runs good, no hesitation, idles at 900 to 950 which I think is high.Thanks for all the help Pete.
 



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Are you getting any codes (Check engine light)?
When my 02 explorer did this, it was bad 02 sensors (downstream).
I was getting about 8 mpg, replaced the two downstream 02 sensors and I am back up to 16 to 18 mpg.
Good Luck
 






No no codes I did have to replace the egr valve and egr sensor and pvc last year Pete
 






The only other idea I have is remove the battery cables for 20 min to reset the computer (not sure if it will help or not).
Hopefully another member can chime in.

Good luck
 






Are you getting any codes (Check engine light)?
When my 02 explorer did this, it was bad 02 sensors (downstream).
I was getting about 8 mpg, replaced the two downstream 02 sensors and I am back up to 16 to 18 mpg.
Good Luck
Pure dumb luck. Unless you either did something else at the same time, the problem was intermittent and happened to go away, or you are confusing the upstream (before the cats) with the downstream (after the cat) sensors.

The downstream sensors (after the cat) have absolutely ZERO effect on fuel economy, as they have no control or effect on anything the ecm does to control the engine. The ONLY purpose of downstream O2 sensors is to determine the efficiency of the cat(s). The computer compares the readings from the post-cat (downstream) o2, with the pre-cat o2, and expects to see a fairly big difference. This tells the the ecm that the cat is doing its job and altering the exhaust chemistry. If it does not see a big enough difference, it sets a Catalyst Efficiency code (P420,etc..). That is ALL the downstream o2 sensor(s) do.

Now the UPSTREAM sensors are different. These, the computer relies on, once in "closed loop", to control air/fuel ratio, which in turn affects emissions and fuel economy. A simple code reader will often lead you in the wrong direction here. It is fairly common for an o2 sensor to have degraded, to the point of negatively impacting fuel economy, long before it is "bad enough" to set a code/CEL. You need to see live sensor data from the o2 sensor in question, and know what to look for, in order to recognize/detect a dying "sluggish" sensor. This will require a higher quality "scanner".


The only other idea I have is remove the battery cables for 20 min to reset the computer (not sure if it will help or not).
Hopefully another member can chime in.

Good luck
DON'T do this; at least not until you have a chance to have the codes read, and written down. Otherwise, you will erase valuable diagnostic information.

You say that your mileage has dropped since retiring. I assume that means your driving habits/traffic patterns have changed as well. Keep in mind, that can also have a huge effect on mpg. If you used to make fewer, and longer trips (daily commute),e specially if most of that was highway vs. more shorter local trips now that would explain a drop in MPG.

You said you changed the plugs. What about the wires? Just because they "look" good doesn't mean they are. Wires degrade over time, especially cheap ones. You might also want to clean the throttle body, as you didn't mention that.

I'm not sure on the 3.0L, but that idle does sound a little high. For the 4.0L, it should be around 700rpm. It doesn't seem like much, but the difference between 700 and 950 idle can make a difference. Look for vacuum leaks.

The other thing is to check the "return" of your throttle body/blade closing. On my Ranger, a weak return spring was causing the throttle to stick partially open. It gradually got worse, and would sometimes hang open at a 1500rpm+ idle. It was one of the "coiled" spring on the linkage itself. I ended up swapping parts between 2 different throttle bodies to get one good one. Just be aware, getting that little coil spring to stay wound up, with the right tension, while you tighten the screw, is a PITA.

Also, noting how many miles you get to a tank isn't an accurate way to gauge mileage. There are too many variables. The right way is to fill the tank, reset the trip odometer, drive till nearly empty, refill to the same level/degree (ie not cramming every drop in one time, and just stopping when the pump clicks off the next time). Note the miles traveled. Divided the miles by the gallons (I go to the 3rd decimal- ex. 15.134 gallons)= your MPG.

As a rough idea, anything over 300 miles to a full tank is probably pretty good though. My 4.0L 4x4, '93 Ranger gets about that, give or take. In my truck, 300 miles to a tank works out to about 20mpg. But, I think you may have a smaller tank, meaning higher MPG for same distance.
Despite being a smaller engine (actually, because of it), I wouldn't expect much better mileage then the 4.0L-OHV. The 3.0L was anemic, barely acceptable motor in a Taurus. Putting one in a truck was a bad idea. Its very under powered; meaning it is always going to be working hard just to move the truck. That uses more gas then a larger engine doing the same work, but more lightly loaded/stressed.
 






Well just got back from Autozone ,they read the codes,and found nothing,not even on the history.On the way back put some Gumout cleaner in the tank.
When I changed the plugs and did the seafoam thing I did clean the throttle body real good.
My driving did change when I retired, I use to dive 74 miles round trip a highway speeds 5 days on one tank of gas 19.5 gal tank.I would put 17.5 to 18 gal in.Now i drive short trips,I put 3000 miles a year on it, but its only getting 10 to 12 miles to the gal. So it went from 20 to 21 mpg to 10 or 11,some thing is wrong.
I do appreciate the help,I will check that throttle plate, and if some thing else comes to mind please pass it on Thanks Pete
 






Would the tps or the flex fuel module sensor cause this mpg problem,or would they throw a code. I changed the plug wires about 70000 miles,it now has 154000 miles or would that throw a code to. thanks Pete
 






Would the tps or the flex fuel module sensor cause this mpg problem,or would they throw a code. I changed the plug wires about 70000 miles,it now has 154000 miles or would that throw a code to. thanks Pete

I would say the wires are due for replacement. Yes, a bad TPS COULD lead to bad mileage. Like the o2 sensors, it can be "bad" long before setting a code. As long as it continues to send data within the range the ecm expects to see (about 1.0 volt to 5.0 volts), it probably won't set a code. Nonetheless, the sensor could still be returning the wrong data. It could also have "dead" spots. There many threads out there on how to test a TPS.

I'm not familiar with the flex fuel module, but if it were malfunctioning, that could cause a drop in mileage. "Flex Fuel" involves the use of gasoline containing higher percentages of ethanol. Ethanol has a lower stoichiometric ration than gasoline, meaning ethanol requires a "richer" mixture to burn properly. This means a greater volume of fuel, all else being equal. So, a gasoline blended with an increased percentage of ethanol will require the ecm to adjust for a richer mixture than straight gasoline. If the flex fuel module is "confused" and thinks your burning a fuel with higher ethanol content, it may be command more fuel. Look for signs of an excessively rich mixture, such as a raw fuel smell from the exhaust, excess black sooty deposits in the tailpipe, and "wet" black plugs.

Also, the change in driving habits you mentioned will certainly contribute to a lower MPG. However, 11-12mpg is too low. I would agree there is something wrong, unless you also have extended periods of idling, such as leaving it running while you go in the store,etc... That will also kill your mileage in a hurry.

You might also want to compare the ECT and IAT sensor readings with the actual ambient temperatures (with the engine stone cold), and carefully watch them throughout the warm up cycle. Make sure the values the ecm sees make sense, and that they smoothly and steadily increase with warm up. Defective temp sensors can really screw things up.
 






I checked the throttle plate and spring they both look go ,plate closes tight ,throat still clean.I also checked for vacuumn leaks ,could not find any with spraying carb cleaner, and listening with hose in ear. So if the tps don't throw a code unless its real bad, would it be worth at this stage to replace the tps,coil pack ( original) ,and plug wires. the tail pipe is clean no soot, and no fuel smell or lean smelling exhust Thanks Pete
 






Carguy3J;3197333]Pure dumb luck. Unless you either did something else at the same time, the problem was intermittent and happened to go away, or you are confusing the upstream (before the cats) with the downstream (after the cat) sensors.

I beg to differ: http://www.paladinmicro.com/MustangMILEliminator.htm
as this could not be "dumb luck" and / or "intermittent" as replacing the DS 02 sensor did fix the issue (for over 1.5 years and counting), the emulator I made from the above link did not fix the CEL, but in fact about doubled my MPG.

The downstream sensors (after the cat) have absolutely ZERO effect on fuel economy, as they have no control or effect on anything the ecm does to control the engine. The ONLY purpose of downstream O2 sensors is to determine the efficiency of the cat(s). The computer compares the readings from the post-cat (downstream) o2, with the pre-cat o2, and expects to see a fairly big difference. This tells the the ecm that the cat is doing its job and altering the exhaust chemistry. If it does not see a big enough difference, it sets a Catalyst Efficiency code (P420,etc..). That is ALL the downstream o2 sensor(s) do.

Now the UPSTREAM sensors are different. These, the computer relies on, once in "closed loop", to control air/fuel ratio, which in turn affects emissions and fuel economy. A simple code reader will often lead you in the wrong direction here. It is fairly common for an o2 sensor to have degraded, to the point of negatively impacting fuel economy, long before it is "bad enough" to set a code/CEL. You need to see live sensor data from the o2 sensor in question, and know what to look for, in order to recognize/detect a dying "sluggish" sensor. This will require a higher quality "scanner".

Or an oscilloscope to detect the issue at hand, not what the computer tells us...


DON'T do this; at least not until you have a chance to have the codes read, and written down. Otherwise, you will erase valuable diagnostic information.

The OP did state there was no codes correct? If the OP did have data, the CEL should pop on within 30 minuets of driving.
 






Sorry I've been out of town.I did get a good read on mpg it's 12 mpg.I did change the tps , and the coil pack,and new wires,fuel filter, and cleaned maf again,but it did not look dirty.I have full tank and will check mpg again later.I still have my original question,What is the idle speed on a 3.0 v6 automatic 4x4 2000 flex fuel ? If anybody knows or has any others ideas please pass them along Pete
 






follow up

Well you were right, it was the o2 sensors. I replaced all 3 now may mpg is back up ,and the ranger is running real good.
 












Thank you for posting your update.
Glad your truck is running better ;)
 






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