some meguiars vs zaino test I found

[Dan E.]

Some meguiars vs zaino test I found on the Autopia forum
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/

 

[tbomb]

hrmm. very interesting, cuz i was planning on getting some zaino stuff in the next few weeks, which ive never used before. im not really going for swirl mark hiding or anything like that (i have a white truck - so, no swirls...at least no visible ones i just want ease of use. usually when i wax my truck, i use a clay bar and apply one coat of meguiars wax about 3 times a year, and it takes me ALL DAY. from what i hear, i can apply one coat of zaino in under an hour!...sucks that you have to wait 6 hours to apply the next coat of zaino, though. so, ill probably still order the zaino.

i do feel it necessary to state that this guy who published this test is a tremendous dork (my opinion....car wax could be his life, for all i know.) granted hes got the biggest porsche you can buy with twin turbos on it, but if youre gonna drive a car, wash that car, wax it, and whatever else, its gonna get imperfections. id rather have a few swirl marks than a major mechanical problem. he, by no means, slapped this little test together in a matter of minutes, or hours even.

oh well, whatever blows your hair back, i guess.

 

[rpenner54]

Dang that dudes right I can't tell a differnce at all! I think I will just stick with using my Armor All wax once a year...

 

[mattadams]

I would have to agree that somebody has WAY too much time on their hands.

 

[aldive]

Tat tester needs to get a life.......

 

[Black Magic]

He didn't let us know which one keeps the mud off better! Dang-it!

 

[Dan E.]

Originally posted by mattadams
I would have to agree that somebody has WAY too much time on their hands.

He probally does, but atleast he proved that zaino has no gloss or shiny advantage over meguiars. Just longtivity.

This is what the guy said on the autopia forum:
"All: There is no question that there is a "mystique" surrounding Zaino. This is the "hype". My personal opinion is that this is due to the fact that it is hard to get. I think people believe if they are members of a more exclusive club, or if they had to go the extra mile for a product, or even if they paid more for it, they are more likely to feel postively about it, if only to justify their decision. Whether this is a calculated marketing strategy or just an accident on Zaino's part is unknown - but I think he is missing a huge revenue opportunity by not distributing a little more broadly. He will only let customers distribute, they cannot sell over the internet and they can't sell anything else. Sounds to me like someone trying to preserve a myth rather than someone with a truly superior solution.

 

[aldive]

Originally posted by Dan E.
He probally does, but atleast he proved that zaino has no gloss or shiny advantage over meguiars. Just longtivity.

Proves? You have got to be kidding, a simple test by one waxing fanatic on one car proves little if anything.

I saw no scientific data to support his claims; no measurement of reflectivity; no test of ability to resist contimation; no longibity studies. This is a simple experiment done with any proper controls or measurements.

Sorry, this so called test is worthless.

 

[aldive]

Originally posted by Dan E.
There is no question that there is a "mystique" surrounding Zaino. This is the "hype". My personal opinion is that this is due to the fact that it is hard to get. I think people believe if they are members of a more exclusive club, or if they had to go the extra mile for a product, or even if they paid more for it, they are more likely to feel postively about it, if only to justify their decision. Whether this is a calculated marketing strategy or just an accident on Zaino's part is unknown - but I think he is missing a huge revenue opportunity by not distributing a little more broadly. He will only let customers distribute, they cannot sell over the internet and they can't sell anything else. Sounds to me like someone trying to preserve a myth rather than someone with a truly superior solution.

I don't think there is a mystic about Zaino products; they simply work and work well. Its not easy to convence me of anything based on advertizement or hearsay, yet, when i used this stuff I was sold. The fact is that it simply works!

I agree completely that the company lacks business sense; no accepting credit cards is simply unheard of the todays business world.

Further, I too believe that their distribution could be vastly increased with a little thought.

They obviously have a wonderful product, maybe they need to hire a marketing manager.

Thoughts.....

 

[Dan E.]

Originally posted by aldive


Proves? You have got to be kidding, a simple test by one waxing fanatic on one car proves little if anything.

I saw no scientific data to support his claims; no measurement of reflectivity; no test of ability to resist contimation; no longibity studies. This is a simple experiment done with any proper controls or measurements.

Sorry, this so called test is worthless.

Heres another quote from the guy:
"UPDATE I have heard from an optical engineer who works for a company that makes test instruments, including a "gloss-meter" . Dead Link Removed

This is an expensive, laboratory tool that measures gloss (reflectivity at various angles) and haze (defined as the difference between reflection at 20 and 60 degrees). He tested Zaino on his own cars against Meguiar's Scratch-X (not really a whole-surface product but he did anayway) as well as Nu-Finish and a few other techniques/products. He used a very scrientific approach, taking several samples of each surface he worked on. (He sent me an Excel sheet full of data.)

He came to exactly the same conclusions I did - there is absolutely NO Zaino gloss advantage. (This isn't to say Zaino doesn't have better longevity.)"

 

[Bill Kemp]

Zaino sorta sounds like Amway Products & those guys have done alright.
I have used Gold Class and Zaino. The Zaino deffinetly lasts longer than the GC. One more coat of Zaino will see me through the winter months and GC cant do that.
Not saying GC is bad, just that for me, Zaino is better.

 

[aldive]

Originally posted by Dan E.
He tested Zaino on his own cars against Meguiar's Scratch-X (not really a whole-surface product but he did anayway) as well as Nu-Finish and a few other techniques/products. He used a very scrientific approach, taking several samples of each surface he worked on. (He sent me an Excel sheet full of data.)

That is not a valad scientific approach. Ever taken a look at a real stastical analysis? There would have to be cars/trucks of many different colors tested by many different appliers under many different conditions ( tempo, RH, etc, ).

 

[Mike 92 XLT]

One of the biggest advantages of Zaino is the ability to layer on multiple coats. I'll be one of the first to tell you that there is little visible difference between Zaino and any other brand of wax after the first coat. But try putting 17 coats of Meguiars on your X. You can't do it because of the buildup it creates. But I have 17 coats of Zaino on my X and it looks a hell of a lot more shiny than just about any car I've ever seen. That's one of the reasons we "fanatics" love Zaino.

peace

Mike

 

[BigDave]

Mud by Gooo...Your truck will thank you

I don't know about your guys trucks, but mine just absolutely loves (and prefers) a good mud bath to a waxing any day. There is something very relaxing about sitting in the mud and soaking in the nutrients it has to offer. Waxing is such a boring thing and dos nothing but bring out imperfections. I think that everyone should go out right now and give their trucks a nice mud bath. Believe me your truck will thank you for it.

Brought to you by Gooo....The number one maker of mud for trucks....you can find it at any public (or private if you have permission) off road vehicle area.

We make a wide range of products that require no waiting period between coats...in fact it is good to put multiple coats of all products from runny to sticky to my god its still falling off three months later. Did I mention that all of the products are free? That's right free!!! So come on down to the local Off Road Vehicle Park and get you some Gooo mud...Your truck will thank you...

 

[Dan E.]

Re: Mud by Gooo...Your truck will thank you

Originally posted by BigDave
I don't know about your guys trucks, but mine just absolutely loves (and prefers) a good mud bath to a waxing any day. There is something very relaxing about sitting in the mud and soaking in the nutrients it has to offer. Waxing is such a boring thing and dos nothing but bring out imperfections. I think that everyone should go out right now and give their trucks a nice mud bath. Believe me your truck will thank you for it.

Brought to you by Gooo....The number one maker of mud for trucks....you can find it at any public (or private if you have permission) off road vehicle area.

We make a wide range of products that require no waiting period between coats...in fact it is good to put multiple coats of all products from runny to sticky to my god its still falling off three months later. Did I mention that all of the products are free? That's right free!!! So come on down to the local Off Road Vehicle Park and get you some Gooo mud...Your truck will thank you...

HA! Do you put zuccini or cucumbers over your headlights? Turn on some nature sounds of whales?

 

[Dan E.]

Originally posted by aldive


That is not a valad scientific approach. Ever taken a look at a real stastical analysis? There would have to be cars/trucks of many different colors tested by many different appliers under many different conditions ( tempo, RH, etc, ).

Well I guess the gloss from meguiars and zaino is the same on a 911 Turbo

 

[leenjen]

Re: Mud by Gooo...Your truck will thank you

Originally posted by BigDave
I don't know about your guys trucks, but mine just absolutely loves (and prefers) a good mud bath to a waxing any day. There is something very relaxing about sitting in the mud and soaking in the nutrients it has to offer. Waxing is such a boring thing and dos nothing but bring out imperfections. I think that everyone should go out right now and give their trucks a nice mud bath. Believe me your truck will thank you for it.

Brought to you by Gooo....The number one maker of mud for trucks....you can find it at any public (or private if you have permission) off road vehicle area.

We make a wide range of products that require no waiting period between coats...in fact it is good to put multiple coats of all products from runny to sticky to my god its still falling off three months later. Did I mention that all of the products are free? That's right free!!! So come on down to the local Off Road Vehicle Park and get you some Gooo mud...Your truck will thank you...

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i agree...

i've used it and the results are amazing!!!
you cant beat the price, and it hides scratches and swirl marks much better than any other product on the market. this product is so good, that you dont even have to wash your vehicle before applying. how may of these waxes/polishes can say that

 

[tbomb]

i know most people here are arguing over the amount of shine a wax gives, and the longevity of them, but heres something im looking into...time to wax a whole explorer.

ive read claims on the forums about waxing an entire 4 door explorer in under a half hour with zaino! well, i only have a 2 door, and when i use meguiars wax, it takes me the better part of a few hours to do my truck. with zaino (when i finally decide to order it in the next few weeks), if i can do my entire truck in an hour or less, im sticking with it, regardless of price, reflectivity, longevity, etc. with such a short application time, ill do my truck more often if i have to (but with such a short application time, though it has a longer curing time, i can apply more than one coat for longevity.)

to me it sounds like this debate is going in the same direction as the "which exhaust is better?...borla?...flowmaster?...dynomax?"

my $0.02