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The controversial question of when to change the fluid in the 5R55E automatic trans

I have had both of my trannies flushed,the 2000 at 175,000 and the 94 at 120,000.Then I took the 94 to Moab and wheeled it for a week,then drove home.4000 mile round trip,20,000 miles ago with the pos tranny they have.

So if it is done by someone with enough brains to tie his shoes (I have done flushes myself with a BG machine) there will be no problems.If you flush it and the tranny fails,I would say it was on it's way out anyway as all you are doing is circulating clean oil into the transmission and pushing the old stuff out.:D
 



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I just dropped the pan, cleaned the magnet (wasn't too bad), replaced the filter, installed a new gasket, added 4 qts of Merc V and a 10 oz bottle of Lubegard friction modifier.

This was done on a transmission that I can only assume had all 118,000 miles the odometer shows on the factory fluid fill. The transmission ran fine before and so far has continued to run fine afterwards- it has about 100 miles on the "new" fluid.

The plan is to do it again in several months and then do it again several months after that.
 






I was thinking of changing the filter and refilling what came out. Just to see what happens. Then possibly change it again before to long. Just looked at the odometer and it is reading 247,364. Still gets 20mpg.
 






I have around 240,000 miles on mine. Bought it w. 174,000 and didnt have any records of it being serviced but thought it did since it was very clean inside and out. After a couple of oil changes on the engine I noticed some bolts were loose on the mounts. Possible trans was repalced but couldnt find any records. Just started getting the O/D light to blink once awhile ago and some slippage when getting on or off of the freeway when it needs to shift from overdrive but thats it. I am w/ some of the others heard the ole' saying if you havent changed it and you do then it prob will quit. I am also w/ changing it every time it needs it but just hate to do it now and then it quits on me and my wife dont have anything to drive. Any thoughts
If you are having transmission problems not linked to a situation where the problem is just a matter of low fluid level, then I recommend you do NOT change ANY transmission fluid. Unfortunately when preventative maintenance on the transmission is not done, it is much better to let the transmission go until finally the vehicle is not driveable anymore. This is when you get a remanufactured transmission and keep up on the maintenance. When a customer comes in with a transmission that has severly darkened transmission fluid or previous transmission problems, we will absolutely not perform a fluid change due to the fact that most likely it will come back with a failed transmission shortly after the change. This is fact and has been proven definitively.

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My parents have 156K on their '03 and no trans. problems ever. The first few times we had the trans. flushed at around 20-40K mile intervals, but given the bad luck I've had with flushes on my '95, I decided to just drain/replace the filter in the '03 the last time.

Seems like a lot of these boxes are hit-or-miss.
Seems as though your parents don't believe in Preventative Maintenance. The transmission, not being flushed at regular intervals, is guaranteed to have irreversible damage. It won't show any signs of this for awhile, but it will someday. When it starts acting up please pay attention to my advice, DONT change the fluid. You will waste money and time by trying to catch up on any missed maintenance. When it starts slipping and shifting hard, go directly to replacing the transmission with a remanufactured transmission. REMEMBER: Transmission flushes are cheaper than engine oil changes! when done at 30,000 mile intervels.

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I was thinking of changing the filter and refilling what came out. Just to see what happens. Then possibly change it again before to long. Just looked at the odometer and it is reading 247,364. Still gets 20mpg.
Would you only replace a quart of engine oil at every oil change? I think not. By replacing only the trans pan oil you are destroying the new oil by contaminating it with old oil. This is an old habit that should have died a long time ago. Proper repair shops will never authorize this service. The only way to take care of your tranmission fluid is to flush it at regular intervels.

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<---125,000 miles and i've never touched the transmission. not that i beleive i should never change it, but i dont know anything about trannies, and i'm too lazy to look it up. and i refuse to pay someone to do something that i could do. theres no slippage or clunking. it rides very smoothe still.


ha.....thats me to a tee
 






Seems as though your parents don't believe in Preventative Maintenance.....REMEMBER: Transmission flushes are cheaper than engine oil changes! when done at 30,000 mile intervels.

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I'm no math whiz, but 30K falls right between "20-40K mile intervals" :rolleyes:
I've read more than enough horror stories and have experienced the "effectiveness" of flushes firsthand, so I know that I won't be doing one again. My '95 ate two trannies, the original and a Ford remanufactured box, each at around 100K miles with flushes at around every 25K miles. Any idea why the flushes didn't work for me?

And if I remember correctly, a flush on the '03 ran them around $150 at the local Ford dealer, since my mechanic didn't want to mess with the sealed box. If dealerships are getting more than $150 for an oil change nowadays, then I'm REALLY glad I do all the wrench-turning myself...
 






I love Fords, it's all I own, so I have to say I know Ford stuff well.

Ford automatics almost all have flaws, built in pre-existing flaws, or defects, or not quite refined issues. I'm not stating mysterious unknown facts, that is how Ford produces new auto trans models. They are not perfected to begin with, and usually it takes 10-15 years for Ford to maximize them. I don't wait that long, for them to do something. Just about all of them have issues with functions, characteristics of how they shift, which negatively affect lifespan.

Ford redesigns or changes calibrations, internal VB springs or valves etc, to improve those issues. All of that contributes to the odd lifespans that some people experience.

Okay, first understand that I'm not condemning Ford for that. I'm stating it as my opinion of their automatics, based on my years of owning them and hearing about others issues, and those told to me by trans experts(TransGo, Art Carr, B&M, Level 10, Ford techs).

The answer is not to give up, the answer is to be proactive in preventing issues. Take it for granted that they all need VB modifications, to insure consistent positive shifts at the proper times. If you leave the trans stock, than expect the lifespan to be shorter than if you would invest in a VB kit installation, along with new ATF and filters.

I don't waste my money on flushes or any non-me labor anyway. I change my own, it's not that hard. Add an external ATF filter and upgrade the fluid to the best there is, Amsoil. The VB kits and better fluid/filters will greatly increase the lifespan. Doing nothing is always a bad idea. Regards,
 






Change Fluid

I work for the NC Highway Patrol. They have over 2000 troopers who put their cars through some very hard use with wide open throttle shifts a common scene. They are running ford V8 engines in Crowns and some Explorers. I have talked to our vehicle repair techs throughout the state about this exact subject.

With several thousand hard driven cars, they rarely ever see any transmission failures in the life of the car (usually retired at 160-200k) even with this harsh driving environment. They are then sold to Taxi companies who keep on driving them.

This is what they said they do:

They never remove the pans or change filters
They flush every 30 K miles
They only use synthetic transmission fluids

My personal state vehicle is over 100K miles and I drive it hard going up and down mountains to access radio tower sites. I think their success will show me what I am going to do with my Explorer.
 






I work for the NC Highway Patrol. They have over 2000 troopers who put their cars through some very hard use with wide open throttle shifts a common scene. They are running ford V8 engines in Crowns and some Explorers. I have talked to our vehicle repair techs throughout the state about this exact subject.

With several thousand hard driven cars, they rarely ever see any transmission failures in the life of the car (usually retired at 160-200k) even with this harsh driving environment. They are then sold to Taxi companies who keep on driving them.

This is what they said they do:

They never remove the pans or change filters
They flush every 30 K miles
They only use synthetic transmission fluids

My personal state vehicle is over 100K miles and I drive it hard going up and down mountains to access radio tower sites. I think their success will show me what I am going to do with my Explorer.

FYI, this is exactly the case I just made. The 1980 new model Ford auto four speed was the AOD. It failed regularly in highway patrol cars. The police got tired of sending them back or rebuilding them themselves. The AOD was a very poor trans from 1980 to about 1988, they had a lot of built in deficiencies. The OD bands are too thin(not wide enough), the OD servos did not apply enough force to the OD band, thus 4th gear went out very fast in police cars. The early models had "C" OD servos in them, the V8 cars got "B" servos(Wow(sarcasm - still small)). If you rebuild an AOD, throw the "C" and "B" servos in the scrap pile, they're awful.

So, the AOD was improved by Ford in the late 80's, until the AODE came along in trucks, which had a wider OD band, and better OD servo. The Super Coupe got the best Ford OD servo, the "A" servo.

The 4R70W is exactly like an AODE but with a wide gear ratio 1st/2nd gear set. The 4.6 version got a different bell housing pattern, and is otherwise identical to the 302 4R70W we have in the Explorer. Ford made the last big upgrade in 1998 with a far better mechanical diode. Each Ford upgrade made them better, and better, until they are now considered to be dead reliable.

Go back to the early 80's, that was Ford's worst trans every made, by police dept. opinions. The AOD developed into the AODE and the 4R70W/4R75W, many many parts interchange.


My point is made, Ford put out that trans without fully developing it. The aftermarket made improvements first, TransGo had VB correction kits in 1986, and Art Carr sold them also. I bought those, and installed them, I had an 86 police Crown Vic, an 85 Crown Vic, later two 95 Crown Vics. I know the cars, I know the transmissions in them.

The current 1998 and newer Ford four speed is great, but it's because of the continuous upgrades and development by Ford and the aftermarket. It's not great because of good maintenance or flushing the fluid, nor from neglecting it as some people advocate.


That is the four speed Ford auto, not the five speeds or anything past 1990. Ford's five speeds are all derived from the A4LD, a POS four cylinder based trans. It began in might weight cars of the mid 80's, and Ford revised it for the Explorer, and then designed the 4R/5R55E from it. The guts of those are all similar, not up to heavy duty use, not adequate for a 4500lbs truck, towing, or high power. These are a whole different animal, all the wishful thinking and aftermarket parts will not make it strong like the four speed 4R70W. They aren't capable of 1000hp, and 500hp is really too much, so stock vehicles are okay with them, but not much more.

All that said, the VB is still the weak point of all of them, every last one, stock, old, new, anything without a VB kit. The stock shifting is not very good for long life, police car or not.

Any Ford vehicle will benefit from a VB kit, the weaker models and newest versions need it more. Ford makes improvements, but it takes them years and your failures to figure it out. The aftermarket is ahead of Ford in developing those VB upgrades, they always have been. I doubt Ford is going to change their ways and put TransGo/Superior/Sonnax/etc, out of business soon.

No matter how good you think your vehicle is, it will be much better if you get a VB kit installed. Any firming of the shifts increases longevity, slippage whether you can feel it or not is bad, that's what eats the frictions and steels.

It's just like politics, my state has good Senators and Representatives, it's the other states who need to change theirs. No, it's all of them, every Ford auto trans needs a VB kit, not just all of them except yours. That's my not humble opinion. Regards,
 






You're not kidding about the AOD being an inherently unreliable transmission; besides the laughable CFI system, the AOD in my Thunderbird has been the only other problem that car's had since new. Never do I remember riding in so many rental cars as when that was my family's only car ;)
 






You're not kidding about the AOD being an inherently unreliable transmission; besides the laughable CFI system, the AOD in my Thunderbird has been the only other problem that car's had since new. Never do I remember riding in so many rental cars as when that was my family's only car ;)

They are fine usable transmissions, when they have the newer upgraded parts in them. You can buy used later AODE/s and 4R70W 's and use some of the critical parts from them in the AOD. You have to stick with some other parts though, and the aftermarket sources have lot of good stuff to make them very strong.

You cannot do that with the late five speed trans, and likely never will. There is no need currently from Ford's point of view for stronger parts for them, it's a commuter trans in their mind.

The guts of the AOD is just big enough to be fine for HP applications, the five speeds are just a little too small. Look at the case dimensions, the diameter is too small for the later Ford transmissions(5R's). The AOD/4R70W case size is about as small as you can go for heavy duty applications. The big boys trans in the big trucks are even bigger than those, but those are too big for an Explorer. Ford should make a new trans that's closer to the AOD in size, hopefully the new six speeds etc, will be that big. Regards,
 






ONLY USE MERCON-V not 'MERCON' COMPATIBLE SYNTHETIC ATF

I highly recommend using a premium quality synthetic ATF vs. a petroleum ATF or a semi-synthetic blend.

Although it is buried in my books somewhere in the attic, I was given a report by Mobil when I was working at Ford. Mobil1 synthetic ATF, which I used to use religiously, is known to prematurely wear the stator in transmissions requiring Mercon-V (and most others too),
****ONLY use a true Mercon V fluid, the Mobil1 and other synthetic ATF's that boast being Mercon compatible are NOT the same as MerconV fluids and lead to premature wear***
 






Although it is buried in my books somewhere in the attic, I was given a report by Mobil when I was working at Ford. Mobil1 synthetic ATF, which I used to use religiously, is known to prematurely wear the stator in transmissions requiring Mercon-V (and most others too),
****ONLY use a true Mercon V fluid, the Mobil1 and other synthetic ATF's that boast being Mercon compatible are NOT the same as MerconV fluids and lead to premature wear***

The Mercon standard is now obsolete, any aftermarket products should also not be comparing themselves to that obsolete standard.

That means all of the reports and comparisons speaking about Mercon products are no longer useful. Only new reports or comparisons made since the Mercon standard died, are useful. Ignore or do not believe anything that was made before that time, which was two summers past now, 2008?
 






There is a lot of info on this post that still really doesn't clear this up for me. I have an '06 4L with the 5spd auto and 58,000kms which I purchased last summer with 45,000kms on the clock. I just had my second oil change completed and the service advisor at the dealer stated I was up for a tranny fluid change as well. I looked though the manual but could not find were it stated this was required at this time. As posted earlier here, the manual mentioned a number of transmissions that require a change at 50,000kms but not the one in my Explorer. The advisor just repeated that most require the fluid flush every 50K. I said fine, might as well do it while I'm here. After the service was completed, the advisor got me in the waiting room and stated the tranny fluid was not changed since the service tech in the garage stated it was a sealed transmission and this was not required. This backs-up what I read in the manual but I'm greatly concerned that the dealer service advisors ( I called around and they all stated the same thing) didn't know this.
So what is the best plan for service on the new sealed transmissions?
 






They are not sealed, they simply do not have a dipstick. They have arguably a poor drain/plug, and filling method from what others report.

I have read that there is a plug somewhere on the side of those transmission, I would see if that is true first.
 






The Mercon standard is now obsolete, any aftermarket products should also not be comparing themselves to that obsolete standard.

That means all of the reports and comparisons speaking about Mercon products are no longer useful. Only new reports or comparisons made since the Mercon standard died, are useful. Ignore or do not believe anything that was made before that time, which was two summers past now, 2008?

I assumed you'd put it together, my bad. I did mean MerconV "compatible" fluids, Mercon V is a Mercon product. However, I digress, your comment clearly proves that Mobil was wrong about their fluid tests afterall. How the heck would they know that their Synthetic ATF was harmful to some transmission stators?
 






this might sound stupid but a locla shot said that i need a fluid flush(125,xxxmi) and ot my knowlege it has never been done, looked into it at a local ford dealer to find a lower price and the woman in the service department said that she wouldnt do it because "the old fluid may be holding something together" when i asked her about a drop the pan and fill method she said that the new fluid may "knock something loose" is she full of crap or should i take her reccomendation as to my knowlege(they dont give me enough hours at work to get a carfax) the transmission has the origional fluid in the transmission
 



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Personally I wouldn't FLUSh but just pan drop

this might sound stupid but a locla shot said that i need a fluid flush(125,xxxmi) and ot my knowlege it has never been done, looked into it at a local ford dealer to find a lower price and the woman in the service department said that she wouldnt do it because "the old fluid may be holding something together" when i asked her about a drop the pan and fill method she said that the new fluid may "knock something loose" is she full of crap or should i take her reccomendation as to my knowlege(they dont give me enough hours at work to get a carfax) the transmission has the origional fluid in the transmission

Late reply but an opinion anyway, just from personal experience though.
I wouldn't have the shop flush it. Unless by yourself using the in out methods described in the forums here. It takes a bit more fluid but is less 'harmful' to the system.

IMHO, the pan drop is usually best idea for an older Ex. mind you it won't clear the torque converter unless you drain that too, which is no big task if you're already under it. Most people here drop the pan and install a drain plug before buttoning it back up. That way you can just drain it every once in a while, just like the oil pan, and refill the 3-4 litres at a time. It takes longer to get it all cleaned out that way and more fluid is needed in the long run but it does seem to be a less destructive method than pumping fluid through it with the shop's system.

So I'd say she was right about flushing it but pan drop is much safer.
 






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