Tuning with Apex'i SAFC / Greddy E-manage

[AchromicSkin]

well me coming from a "tuner" side for a little while...i was wondering whats stopping any of us from using simple piggyback units like the SAFC or Greddy E-manage? The SAFC only hooks to 12v +, -, rpm wire, throttle signal, and sits between the O2 sensor and the stock ECU...just tricking the A/F signal going to the stock ECU...
so honestly until someone can show me how this wouldn't work, or until i get to this point with my truck...this is going to be my route...i dont see the need for a full standalone when we can just piggyback and run around 10psi on turbo set up and be able to tune enough to get the truck running smoothly.

well please give your input...i would much rather spend $200 on a SAFC II or SAFC Neo and piggy back then go $1200+ for a standalone on a $1000 truck...haha.
here is a link to the wiring hookup for a SAFC Neo
SAFC Neo Wiring Diagram

 

[AchromicSkin]

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does anyone on here thats tunes have any input on the Apex'i SAFC Neo?
Just curious what others think. Please give your input!
Thanks!

 

[jd4242]

maybe someone can move this to here http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113 might get more responses!!

 

[Ronin8002]

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does anyone on here thats tunes have any input on the Apex'i SAFC Neo?
Just curious what others think. Please give your input!
Thanks!

Try it and see. Does it allow you to adjust ignition timing also? If so, and it works, I'd say that's an awesome idea.

If it doesn't end up working...take a look at the SDS system I have for sale in my sig....I am definitely willing to flex on the price

 

[jd4242]

i dont believe it does,i think it just fools the a/f mix,but the problem that most people switch injectors and that system can not do anything for that.o and i put in a good word for you about that sds and block about a week ago and told him that sds is about the only way to go but hey maybe something new is out and cheaper that we dont know about

 

[Ronin8002]

yeah, I'm not too familiar with that system so I figured it might be possible but thanks for putting in a good word...if I sold it that would go toward my Saiga build

BTW I am going to see my old man this week so I'll be picking up that Diablo chip for you.

 

[jd4242]

yeah, I'm not too familiar with that system so I figured it might be possible but thanks for putting in a good word...if I sold it that would go toward my Saiga build

BTW I am going to see my old man this week so I'll be picking up that Diablo chip for you.

Good deal.
I guess the question should be how many lbs of boost can you run with the 19lb injectors? If you didn't run too much it might get you close but why risk it on a built motor.also what kind of o2 does it run off from and does it tell you your a/f or you need a dyno to tune it in?

 

[AchromicSkin]

well i was doing a little more research this weekend and I think I'm leaning towards the Greddy E-manage Ultimate. Its a piggy back but pretty much takes over the ECU. Its the strongest universal Piggy Back without going full stand alone.
I'm dropping the SAFC Neo idea since I plan on eventually running around the 10-14psi mark...i need timing control, but for strait fuel control if i was staying around 3-5psi I see the SAFC Neo being a great tool. I used to use one on my tuner car, and it does work when you swap injector sizes, you just need a wideband O2 or a dyno with the sensor to tune the SAFC based off the A/F...so its not effected by different size injectors. You end up fooling the ECU on how long the injector should be pulsing, so when you go bigger injector, the duty cycle will be turned down based on the A/F and boost load.

Here is a wiring printout for the E-manage on page 12
http://www.greddy.com/img/PHP/products/pdf/806.pdf

and here is what I found for the 1G X. I am going to be doing a wire match diagram based off the two charts and see how hard it is going to be to install.
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data/500/medium/95pcm1.GIF
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data/500/medium/95pcm2.GIF

 

[AchromicSkin]

Try it and see. Does it allow you to adjust ignition timing also? If so, and it works, I'd say that's an awesome idea.

If it doesn't end up working...take a look at the SDS system I have for sale in my sig....I am definitely willing to flex on the price

Thanks for the offer on the SDS System...the only issue i have with that system is its dropping the MAF for a MAP setup...through my slight tuning history, Ive liked the MAF option much more the MAP especially on a motor that is designed N/A and if I only run around 5psi that MAP is going to be a really tough way to tune. If I'm wrong with anything here someone please chime in a inform me...but what Ive noticed is a motor with a strong vacuum and low total boost, MAF is a much easier and tuner friendly route to go.
Good luck on the sale of it, but if things don't work out with the "tuner/domestic" hookup I'm trying to figure out then I would be interested in seeing the up side to using the SDS Kit.

Thanks!

 

[jd4242]

How much are those greddy boxes running now of days? I've used the greedy before but it was in a car that was allready turbo,never thought about it for a car that didn't come turbo,we used it to just fine tune a car that was pretty much allready tuned.

 

[AchromicSkin]

How much are those greddy boxes running now of days? I've used the greedy before but it was in a car that was allready turbo,never thought about it for a car that didn't come turbo,we used it to just fine tune a car that was pretty much allready tuned.

Ive seen them brand new from $575 up and whats nice is getting the input for the Wideband and running a WB O2 the Emanage has the option to take into consideration the A/F and retune itself for earier base mapping and fine tuning that a "human" may have passed by. its a really nice unit...just have never seen one used on a Ford like this so lets see what I can bring into the explorers! haha

 

[jd4242]

Ive seen them brand new from $575 up and whats nice is getting the input for the Wideband and running a WB O2 the Emanage has the option to take into consideration the A/F and retune itself for earier base mapping and fine tuning that a "human" may have passed by. its a really nice unit...just have never seen one used on a Ford like this so lets see what I can bring into the explorers! haha

Yea I've been reading up on it too,they seem to be very good units.if you can get it too work,witch I don't see why not,this will change a lot for us 1g xers.you figuer out what your going to do for motor yet?

 

[AchromicSkin]

Yea I've been reading up on it too,they seem to be very good units.if you can get it too work,witch I don't see why not,this will change a lot for us 1g xers.you figuer out what your going to do for motor yet?

honestly motor wise...stock OHV, new stock heads mild ported, looking for a good cam...then see where the motor goes on 5-8psi...then take it to my friends dyno and get it tuned properly and see what i get.
I'm not looking to put too much into the truck...just really miss the sound and fell of boost...and the truck is pretty simple to play with...goal with it is custom II beams up front 6"ish front lift, spring over axle in rear around 33" tires and whatever power i can pull from the motor before it blows...and if it does blow...time for a SOHC motor swap I know thats the real way to go first with a turbo setup...but I don't want to drop that much $$ into it at the moment.

 

[ytzuzu]

I seriously want to know how this turns out!!!!! I love turboes and have been wondering how to put one on a 4.0

 

[Ronin8002]

Ive seen them brand new from $575 up and whats nice is getting the input for the Wideband and running a WB O2 the Emanage has the option to take into consideration the A/F and retune itself for earier base mapping and fine tuning that a "human" may have passed by. its a really nice unit...just have never seen one used on a Ford like this so lets see what I can bring into the explorers! haha

Looks interesting! looking forward to seeing what comes out of this project!

As far as the SDS, the main advantage is full control over timing and fuel in one unit. Additionally, it does datalogging, to include wideband O2, so you can tune on the road or dyno.

Price on the unit I'm selling is pretty flexible...just sayin' :