'03 Cobra Wheels DID NOT FIT!!!

[02XSport]

These came off of a Cobra with 4000 miles on it. One wheel has a few nicks around the edge of one, but there are NO curb marks. You can see in the pictures that they are in excellent condition.

 

[RFR2212]

Um, first off, i'd get another opinion.... Ford is way overpriced if you haven't already learned...

And I hope y'all were kidding about the mental damages 'n $hit... People wonder why our legal system is so damn slow now adays...

 

[02XSport]

Originally posted by RFR2212
Um, first off, i'd get another opinion.... Ford is way overpriced if you haven't already learned...

And I hope y'all were kidding about the mental damages 'n $hit... People wonder why our legal system is so damn slow now adays...

Get another opinion??? Why should I care, I'm not paying for it, Goodyear is! Read the post and you'd understand.

 

[RFR2212]

Unless you have some amazingly great dealer... alot of them tend to suck. I'd have a body shop do it, bc that's all they do is repair bodys.... They're painting vehicles all day long... Not regarding price, I'd want it to be repaired perfect, which to me, means not ford...

I'm well aware that yer not paying for it

 

[james t]

yea, i agree with not letting Ford do it. we have a very large dealership around here that does lots of body work. my wife can paint better than their "top guy". plan on carrying it somewere to get it buffed after they get ahold of it...

 

[FrankRizzo]

Originally posted by RFR2212
And I hope y'all were kidding about the mental damages 'n $hit... People wonder why our legal system is so damn slow now adays...

Let's see.......... The inept, malfeasant (lemme help you: http://www.xrefer.com/entry/320035) low-ball service shop forgets to inspect and/or installs cheap components on a 120 PSI air line - something that I bet is regulated by local or state ordinaces.

Our buddy 02XSport here, gets his brand new ride pretty substanitally damaged and has a loss of use and mental torture watching his prized posession get trashed.

The shop is lucky this did not happen while one of the poor minimum wage employees was holding the hose.
The equation is: action = consequence.

What do Lawyers do? Well, they don't produce anything. All they do is steer you through the maze of the legal system that they created - and they keep changing it just in case you start to catch on. Some Lawyers are scum but so are some auto mechanics.

Quite possibly my lack of respect for some lawyers flows directly from my great respect for the law. But the big difference is that I relaize that now more than ever we need talented litigators to help protect us from the Gloria Allred, The ACLU and the “Larry H. Parker got me $2.1 Million” society.

Unfortunately, Americans like you have a warped perspective about the legal profession because the media fixate on the most outrageous cases and because of sensationalistic television shows like Judge Judy and The Practice. BTW - I don't think that all lawyers are scum. A lot of them, maybe, but I've known quite a few who were pretty decent people.

These guys wronged our pal Sport. They had better make him whole again, and they better take care of their equipment, lest someone gets killed next time.
How are you going to get that point across?

 

[RFR2212]

Originally posted by FrankRizzo
Let's see.......... The inept, malfeasant (lemme help you: http://www.xrefer.com/entry/320035) low-ball service shop forgets to inspect and/or installs cheap components on a 120 PSI air line - something that I bet is regulated by local or state ordinaces.

Our buddy 02XSport here, gets his brand new ride pretty substanitally damaged and has a loss of use and mental torture watching his prized posession get trashed.

The shop is lucky this did not happen while one of the poor minimum wage employees was holding the hose.
The equation is: action = consequence.

What do Lawyers do? Well, they don't produce anything. All they do is steer you through the maze of the legal system that they created - and they keep changing it just in case you start to catch on. Some Lawyers are scum but so are some auto mechanics.

Quite possibly my lack of respect for some lawyers flows directly from my great respect for the law. But the big difference is that I relaize that now more than ever we need talented litigators to help protect us from the Gloria Allred, The ACLU and the “Larry H. Parker got me $2.1 Million” society.

Unfortunately, Americans like you have a warped perspective about the legal profession because the media fixate on the most outrageous cases and because of sensationalistic television shows like Judge Judy and The Practice. BTW - I don't think that all lawyers are scum. A lot of them, maybe, but I've known quite a few who were pretty decent people.

These guys wronged our pal Sport. They had better make him whole again, and they better take care of their equipment, lest someone gets killed next time.
How are you going to get that point across?

Ya know, that's an excellent reply. But, here's my view/opinion. They are doing him right (assuming they hold true to their word) and fixing his truck. Um, I'm glad to know you assumed i've got a skewed perspective on the legal system. My father is a defense lawyer, and I myself am a Law Enforcement/Justice admin student. To complete this major, there are a few law courses that I have already completed, currently enrolled in, and more that i still have to take. I read law cases daily, and what not. Judge Judy and all that... It's crap... stupid tv... There are many other more important cases that the courts could be hearing. Now, if they try to stiff him for the repairs, yeah, I think taking it to court, for them to repair his damages, would be right. Mental anguish, unless you found some amazingly BS scummy lawyer, I doubt it'd fly... My truck had a window busted, and the paint scratched up, it created many hours of distress and mental anguish which has hurt me... HIGHLY doubt that'd fly... I do believe they should pay for the physical damages, but pay him more for being pissed off for what they did. No.

 

[FrankRizzo]

Define "More Important" cases? You can bet the sniper will be fully tried in at least 5 states and probably excuted.

I don't diagree with anything you said. If they stiff him (create a conflict), stick it to them, and force the issue. I diagree with the inference that this is frivilous in some way. These guys have caused an actionable problem here.

If there was a 5 year old girl standing in the way of the hose whiipping around at 120 MPH, and it hit her in the head, and she's turned into a quadriplegic there would be no issue. The mens rea here is the same weather the injury occured or not. These guys are fully culpable, and need to understand that thier cost-cutting decision has a consequence. I will never hit home, and they will continue to jeapordize people unless you stand up and wag your finger in their face and say "no-no-no".
These people had a duty, and they breeched it. Corporate mentality like this releases tires that delaminate, and cars that explode on the extreme end.

 

[RFR2212]

How can we say they were cutting corners? Maybe i missed something in this all, but where do we see that there was fault of the shop for the failure of a tool? So i'm working on wrenching a nut loose... using lots of force on a craftsman socket, it snaps... So does that mean i'm fully at fault b/c i didn't check my tools? On top of that, every shop I've been to has signs saying they don't allow customers in back, and many around here that I've been to hold true to that.

Important cases... murder rape robbery gta... blatent criminal acts...

 

[FrankRizzo]

My problem is that by some "simple actuarial analysis", many businesses determine that it is cheaper to let a certain number of people die in car fires (or let an air hose blow) than correct a design flaw (or inspect tools) that would have prevented those injuries or deaths.

This cost-benefit analysis balances human lives and limbs against corporate profits. Given the defendant's wealth (Goodyear, right?), compensatory damages would serve to deter similar conduct.

Are you going to work in the legal profession?
What did you think when McDonalds got sued and lost over that "hot coffee" case a few years ago?

 

[02XSport]

I guess I better comment on this. First off, we were just kidding about the whole mental damages thing. I don't exactly know how these hoses are connected, the shop's owner says this usually happens twice a year, but it is a very rare thing to happen. Although there weren't any customers in the garage at the time, when that hose broke, you better believe every single employee ducked for cover and some even ran. That hose was whipping around with enough force to take a chunk out of my door panel, put a hole in my headliner, scratch the window tint off, break two light bulbs, scratch my paint in multiple places, and scratch the glass on the drivers side, so you can be certain that it could do some serious damage if it hit a person. I can't blame the owner, he is really nice and I was very lucky that he had shop insurance, because if he didn't I would be S.O.L. He couldn't explain why it happened. I am calling their insurance company again tomorrow. Now if they didn't have insurance, I would take legal action. I have pictures and a letter written, so I'm not worried. And if I went to court, I don't think I would be wasting the courts time as you say that this is not an important case. And I do understand where both of you are coming from, you both made very good points.

 

[RFR2212]

Originally posted by 02XSport
I guess I better comment on this. First off, we were just kidding about the whole mental damages thing.

Thank you! Glad that's clarified....

Yes, i will be in the legal field as a matter of fact. As for the McDonalds case... Bullshit! That was the stupidest law suit. There have been ones similar about a bicyclist who was hit at night, and wanted to seek damages b/c there was no warning on the bicycle that night riding is more dangerous. Once again, bullshit. Ford decided to release the Pinto, yet they were fully aware of the fact the gas tank was in such a position that it was easily damaged in rear collisions... they went ahead with it, got sued, and i forgot if the Govt stepped in and said a recall was necessary or not. I do understand the concept. Ford was incorrect, IMO. But, do you think it should be necessary that tools should be thouroughly checked daily? I think not. As we can see, it was an accident, and they are taking care of the situation. 'Nuf said.

 

[FrankRizzo]

For the record, I started out kidding also.

Now that I know that "the shop's owner says this usually happens twice a year" I know it's a slam dunk.

What do you think you'll be doing in the legal field? Thanks for helping make my case about product liability with the Pinto, it's the same basic premis here. Cost benefit analysis with people's safety.

Mc Donald's facts:
The lady was awarded 3 million dollars but it was later reduced to $400,000. But keep in mind that McDonald's revenue from coffee sales alone is in excess of $1.3 million a day.
Liebeck, 79 at the time, ordered coffee that was served in a styrofoam cup at the drivethrough window of a local McDonalds and placed the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilled into her lap. The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body. She sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused.

During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992 (including employees). This history ocumented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard. McDonalds also said during discovery thatit held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit, and later admitted that the excessive high temp was to save on coffee grounds. (Coffee served at home is generally 135 to 140 degrees).
A burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into styrofoam cups, (190 degrees) is not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. They served it anyways.

But the whole thing was "the stupidest law suit" ? Think Mc D's would still be burning people with coffee to save money (maximize profits) if they had not been brought to court ? I think so.

 

[DocVijay]

Originally posted by FrankRizzo
But the whole thing was "the stupidest law suit" ? Think Mc D's would still be burning people with coffee to save money (maximize profits) if they had not been brought to court ? I think so.

I still think it's a stupid law suit. Coffee is hot. I know that. I avoid pouring coffee in my lap at all times, whether it's 140 or 190 degrees. Corporations are all about cost cutting. I don't blame McDonalds.

As far as I'm concerned, this law suit ranks right up there witht he burglar who was robbing a school. HE was carrying a computer he had just swiped across the school's roof. There was some renovation being done to the roof. Now it was night time, and there were no lights. This robber fell throught he roof and injured himself. He sued the school because of the dangerous situation on the roof, and that the construction wasn't clearly marked.

This country is filled with stupid lawsuits. And while I am not condemning the entire law profession, there are bad apples out there (the “Larry H. Parker got me $2.1 Million” society). Don't even get me started on medical malpractice suits...