06 mustang 4.0 SOHC t5 on a OHV?

[snoranger]

 

[jd4242]

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Hahahha that movie is great

 

[jd4242]

Well bad news.....the sohc clutch would not in anyway fit on the ohv flywheel.also no way would the sohc disc fit behind a ohv pressure plate.they are COMPLETELY different designs. .so I'm just about out of optionslast hope is to go to a 8 bolt crank and run ALL mustang stuff.

 

[snoranger]

What about having the flywheel redrilled to match the pressure plate?

I'd hate to see you rip the engine apart over a clutch.

 

[jd4242]

What about having the flywheel redrilled to match the pressure plate?

I'd hate to see you rip the engine apart over a clutch.

It completely different designs. I'm rebuilding my supercharged engine so its apart.bad thing is I just had that crank machined not to long ago.plus my trans is on its last leg and I wanted to have the clutch broke in before the new motor went in

So looks like this project is getting put on the back burner for a couple months..its really frustrating that people acted like this was just a simple bolt in thing, even if you have a sohc ranger or explorer , this is NOT a bolt in type of deal.I'm looking at a $1,000 for clutch and flywheel, $500 for trans and new tailshaft and $1,200 for new gear set..all and all around $3, 000 for a freakn trans!!! NOT HAPPY

 

[jd4242]

Here is the flywheel if you wanna look at it.the clutch sits in a totally different spot than the ohv or sohc explorer, distance from slave to clutch would be difficult. .hard to explain unless you see it in person, not like your traditional clutch flywheel setup.look at the side shot, the pressure plate mounts up off the flywheel and the disc is countersounk into the flywheel.the flywheel is not flat

http://www.americanmuscle.com/spec-billet-flywheel-0709.html

 

[snoranger]

Oh ok. I've seen that style flywheel on a Eagle Talon (iirc).

 

[jd4242]

Oh ok. I've seen that style flywheel on a Eagle Talon (iirc).

I never have.you should have seen my face, pulled the pilot out and was like..yeaa its the same, then pulled the clutch out and was like WTF is this!! Lol:thumbdwn:then finally found a pic of the flywheel, fyi ford made two different flywheels 05-07 & 07up and it actually goes by a certain month so not really 07 its like 06-may or something. .clutch is the same but for some reason if you have the later flywheel you have to run an aftermarket or pre 07 flywheel

 

[snoranger]

You do know the early bronco ran a 10" clutch w/ 1-1/16, 10 spline. You should be able to use that disc with a RBV pressure plate. I think that's what Rulebreaker did to swap the np435 behind his 4.0L

 

[jd4242]

You do know the early bronco ran a 10" clutch w/ 1-1/16, 10 spline. You should be able to use that disc with a RBV pressure plate. I think that's what Rulebreaker did to swap the np435 behind his 4.0L

Well thing is,I "think" it would be in a different spot.like distance from slave to disc and would not work right.clutch would drag or not engage or be disengaged

 

[snoranger]

Well thing is,I "think" it would be in a different spot.like distance from slave to disc and would not work right.clutch would drag or not engage or be disengaged

That can be changed with a spacer behind the slave cyl.

 

[jd4242]

That can be changed with a spacer behind the slave cyl.

Hmm I've seen flywheel spacers but not slave.guess they would work the same but I would get nervous with figuring all that out.plus the power I plan to put down also makes me nervous mix matching stuff.think this will just go on the back burner and ill swap to a 8bolt.god I just hope the 8bolt will mount to the sohc parts, two people have said they have done it that way sooo

 

[jd4242]

Ok I've never had the tail section apart on a t5 but the shaft (where the driveshaft fits in) is that not part of the tailshaft housing? Right now, from the case to the driveshaft bolt on flang is very short, about half the distance of a normal t5.if I swap tailshafts will the main gear box need to come apart to change that shaft out to a longer one that is the length of a normal tailshaft? If you can understand that, I don't know the technical names..

 

[jd4242]

See how short this is..

Compare to this

Where and how is this shaft attached to the main box? Is it not part of the tailshaft? Does the whole box need to come aprt to replace that and please don't tell me it the main shaft where all the gears are pressed on?if so this trans is just more trouble than its even worth!!! I should just swap to a c4 or something. .

 

[snoranger]

What you're trying to ask is:
Can I change the output shaft and housing, without tearing the whole damn thing apart?

Good question... I haven't had one apart in 14 years.

 

[jd4242]

What you're trying to ask is:
Can I change the output shaft and housing, without tearing the whole damn thing apart?

Good question... I haven't had one apart in 14 years.

Lol yea..ive never had to tear the tailshaft apart...I know you can swap from a ford t5 tail shaft to a s10 tailshaft to move the shifter forward 8" without tearing it apart.just need the longer shifter rod and swap tailshafts.butttt I thought the output shaft was part or able to be dismounted with the tail shaft..not looking like it.I don't mind tearing the box apart but if the output shaft is part of the main shaft then #### that!!!unless its part of my gear upgrade..

 

[snoranger]

Lol yea..ive never had to tear the tailshaft apart...I know you can swap from a ford t5 tail shaft to a s10 tailshaft to move the shifter forward 8" without tearing it apart.just need the longer shifter rod and swap tailshafts.butttt I thought the output shaft was part or able to be dismounted with the tail shaft..not looking like it.I don't mind tearing the box apart but if the output shaft is part of the main shaft then #### that!!!unless its part of my gear upgrade..

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0609_rebuilt_t5_transmission/photo_14.html

 

[jd4242]

okay so the plans have changed.guess I will end up using this trans but it is on the back burner.I called astro gears today and talk with a tech.there is a lot more to making this trans work.the tail shaft needs to be a special tail shaft.

You need a complete z spec or A5 output shaft and a mechanical driven speedo gear.next you need a synchronized reverse,gear driven tail shaft case.also will need the shifter rod and main case lid/forks.if you run ther a5 shaft you will need a new 28 spline slip yoke..then you need to drill and tap the main case where the drain plug is.there is two spots, top the plug is in.you need to lower the drain plug or just not run as much fluid or it will leak out the rear.ill post a pic of the spot to drill.you can NOT run a s10 tailshaft unless you machine the inside of the tailshaft to clear the Synchronize reverse gear.so the shifter will be far back and use normal t5 shifters..that covers the rear..

For the front you will need a 8bolt crank to run ALL mustang parts, you will need a 05-06 flywheel if useing a stock flywheel...you will have to make your own line for the slave to mc.

You also will obviously have to make a new crossbar to mount it and drive shaft would have to be measured for length.but think that's about all to get it to mount to a ohv.they do make a A5 gear upgrade kit BUT the input shaft needs to be from a new turbo 4.0 falcon and EVERYTHING I listed for the rear needs to be used.this also changes your input spline count and you need to run a falcon clutch or have a 26 spline clutch made.this kit would handle 575lbs of tq.

In stock form he said this t5 could hand in the 330tq range.with the a5 tailshaft and some other little parts it could handle 485tq.I plan on using a spec aluminum flywheel with a spec 2+ clutch, A5 output shaft and there stage 4 rebuild kit.I then will be having it all cryo treated. He said will this combo people have pushed it well over 500tq.that's the plan but won't be for a couple months as I don't have a 8 bolt crank..

Pic of the fill plug.the hole under it is the one he suggested you drill and tap out.think I will just be using less fluid...

 

[jd4242]

IF you run this trans on a sohc 4.0 single cab ranger you ""may"" be able to get way with the tailshaft that's on it.you would need to figure out the speedo, shifter and need a mustang bolt on driveshaft flange.you still need to run ALL mustang parts for the front and make your own slave to mc line.driveshaft would need to be measured for length

 

[Got Trq]

Wow man, sorry to hear about all that! If you need parts from an older T5 I know someone who has 2-3 Parts transmissions. I can get you in contact with him if you need it. These would be late 80's-early 90's from a foxbody mustang if you can use/need parts from one.