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Peter , i am originally from Eastern Ontario, and i think that the New Explorer will be awesome down there as both a semi city driver and highway sort of backroad driver,,
maybe even a few farmers fields out west of Kanata would even be fun ,,
i hope you like it and enjoy it,,
Thank you. I'm in Russell, just outside of Ottawa. Our roads sometimes don't get plowed as quickly as the city. The only hill around Ottawa is Parliament Hill. I guess I could try some off-roading there!;)
 



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Capable off road vehicle is such a broad term, but to be honest in the 3 times I have been down Imogene pass, and seen the street vehicles which have been driven up the back side of the hill, I have to say the new explorer may indeed be a capable "off road" vehicle, while some people might say my explorer isn't yet capable.


Has any factory explorer been rated for the Rubicon? No, but Jeeps are.
Not as many people buy a new vehicle with the intent of tearing it up off roading. Those people buy new Jeeps. And guess what. I bet they sell a lot more Explorers than jeeps.

I will even go out further on a limb and say the explorer never really did very well as an off roader from the factory. I have been here long enough to see them either sold or heavily modified, but rarely wheeled as is. The explorer never came with a factory locker. IMO a true off road vehicle will have a locker and winch as options. What? The explorer never did? OMG they let us down from the very beginning.!!!!!

Also, I will go on to say this-

If any one of you could change the design of your product to sell twice as many, you would do it, while proudly keeping the name that got you where you were.

Even if you took away some features with the goal of satisfying more people, you would be going down the correct path IMO. How can anyone not agree to a good business decision?

Everyone complains about what may be missing, at the same time forgetting the hundreds of improvements throughout the vehicle. Bottom line, is it is a much more stable vehicle on the highway ( where it counts) is more fuel efficient ( fleet averages have to go up) and has many more creature comforts. Face it, if vehicle models do not get more efficient, they will be dropped.

So, yeah "capable off roader" means "not looking good for very long" to me. I doubt anyone buys a 40k car for that. None of you guys will. Nobody here is going to wheel any 40k new vehicle. ever.

And yet they are going to sell over 75k units this year I bet. Who wants to wager?
 






Capable off road vehicle is such a broad term, but to be honest in the 3 times I have been down Imogene pass, and seen the street vehicles which have been driven up the back side of the hill, I have to say the new explorer may indeed be a capable "off road" vehicle, while some people might say my explorer isn't yet capable.


Has any factory explorer been rated for the Rubicon? No, but Jeeps are.
Not as many people buy a new vehicle with the intent of tearing it up off roading. Those people buy new Jeeps. And guess what. I bet they sell a lot more Explorers than jeeps.

I will even go out further on a limb and say the explorer never really did very well as an off roader from the factory. I have been here long enough to see them either sold or heavily modified, but rarely wheeled as is. The explorer never came with a factory locker. IMO a true off road vehicle will have a locker and winch as options. What? The explorer never did? OMG they let us down from the very beginning.!!!!!

I'm not saying the old Explorers were crazy off roaders, but I can bet you the difference in articulation between the first Explorer and the new Explorer is pretty significant, and articulation plays a huge role in off roading...
 






I didn't read through the whole thread but I guess I don't really mind the newer explorer being a unibody car. I'm not going to buy one so they could have made it a motorcycle and called it an explorer and I still wouldn't mind. They make pickups too so buy that if you want to off road.

Only thing that bugs me is the styling. It sucks. It looks like a typical chevy crossover , like an equinox. That cow catcher front end , randomly shaped lights , corrugated metal roof look , the weird chrome strip on the back , It's just a mess. course most crossovers looks really bad anyway , in fact I truly cannot think of one visually good looking crossover.
 






Just wondering WHERE in VA is there a NEED for LOW RANGE! I lived there from '99 to '08 (NAVY) and HAVE NEVER seen anything that required low range or a 'rock crawler'. You see, I'm from Colorado and that is where LOW Range is USED, but very seldom!

You just dont know.

Crozet has world class rockcrawling. George Washington National Forest numerous locations requiring low range. I wheel the Carolina beaches in low range, also Assiteage Island. My buddies in the Centeral Va 4-wheel drive associaton's farm. Other private lands. My buddy Spike has built a trail system in Nelson.

Last week I was on my most frequent jobsite, I had to use low range in an area that most here would call "techinical" offroading.

If I buy a capable offroader $40,000 you can bet your bottom that I am going to take it "offroad". I would only spend that kind of money for something that will take the abuse, and not something that says it will take the abuse, but just breaks and leaves me stranded. I dont buy work equipment to site in a driveway and look pretty. That would be a waste of money.

Bottom line is that if you make a vehicle more road worthy you loose its offroad worthness.

What made the Explorer so popular was that it was different than anything else at its time. Now it is exactly the same as every other vehicle. Look at the historical sales numbers, the closer explorers came to every other vehicle the more sales dropped. So Ford has decided that following the leader is going to revive their poor sales? How is that a good decision?
 






Capable off road vehicle is such a broad term, but to be honest in the 3 times I have been down Imogene pass, and seen the street vehicles which have been driven up the back side of the hill, I have to say the new explorer may indeed be a capable "off road" vehicle, while some people might say my explorer isn't yet capable.


Has any factory explorer been rated for the Rubicon? No, but Jeeps are.
Not as many people buy a new vehicle with the intent of tearing it up off roading. Those people buy new Jeeps. And guess what. I bet they sell a lot more Explorers than jeeps.

I will even go out further on a limb and say the explorer never really did very well as an off roader from the factory. I have been here long enough to see them either sold or heavily modified, but rarely wheeled as is. The explorer never came with a factory locker. IMO a true off road vehicle will have a locker and winch as options. What? The explorer never did? OMG they let us down from the very beginning.!!!!!

Also, I will go on to say this-

If any one of you could change the design of your product to sell twice as many, you would do it, while proudly keeping the name that got you where you were.

Even if you took away some features with the goal of satisfying more people, you would be going down the correct path IMO. How can anyone not agree to a good business decision?

Everyone complains about what may be missing, at the same time forgetting the hundreds of improvements throughout the vehicle. Bottom line, is it is a much more stable vehicle on the highway ( where it counts) is more fuel efficient ( fleet averages have to go up) and has many more creature comforts. Face it, if vehicle models do not get more efficient, they will be dropped.

So, yeah "capable off roader" means "not looking good for very long" to me. I doubt anyone buys a 40k car for that. None of you guys will. Nobody here is going to wheel any 40k new vehicle. ever.

And yet they are going to sell over 75k units this year I bet. Who wants to wager?

Great post, really sums it up and puts things in the proper perspective. Funny how you don't hear of folks complaining about the new Boss 302 :rolleyes:
Ordered an XLT on Saturday after a test drive. Very impressive vehicle. The '97 will now be relegated to surf fishing duty :)
 






Why would anybody complain about the Boss 302???
 












Because it's not built in Australia? :D
 












This is an off-road vehicle:

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lol...the only thing more polished than the new Ex is Mark Fields' hairstyle.
 





















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