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[aldive]

Now Al don't be biased. You know Jet Chips also do a great job of leveling the kitchen table.

Sorry, I forgot that use.

 

[Norad]

Talk to Doug at Bamachips.com he hooked me up back in the day and my X has loved it for the past 75k

 

[jah81592]

Storled, check out snipertuning.com Your only planning bolt on's so all the drop downs will suit your needs. You can write as many tunes as you want and not pay for any more. You can also tune 2 vehicles with one package and you can purchase additional "bullits" to tune more cars for around $200 each. This is much unlike SCT where you have to buy a $380 box for each vehicle you own. If you only have one vehicle to tune, perhaps you can split the cost of the system with one of your buddies.

One thing to mention is that tuning isn't something simple to all. Yes a stock setup will be easier but when the mods get heavier you will definately start separating the men from the boys. You mention the $380 box which SCT dealers have to sell. Well, yes that is true. With that box you get customer service, free adjustments and so on if you are my customer. You fail to mention that the Sniper tuning has hardware to purchase initially which exceed the cost of the $380.00 box. I have looked into becoming a dealer for Sniper so I am fully aware of the pricing structure for the consumer and dealer. Furthermore if anyone wants to tune thier own vehicle and already owns a ExCal2 they can purchase a Pro-Racer package and everything the Snipertuning will do can be done in the SCT pro-racer package. Why do you anti-SCT market so much? Not only will a customer (when he or she purchases the SCT pro-racer package) get full tuning capabilities but will get a base tunefile and also the customer service necessary from thier dealer who sold them the package and SCT. Not only that it is very easy to find someone who can help with SCT. I have been around tuning a while and locally haven't seen anyone who uses Sniper tuning. I am not saying Sniper isn't good software, it is. I have personally talked to Patrick at Sniper (one of the owners) and they seemed real helpful with assisting me with getting setup with thier new software. The drop downs you talk about will only get you close but the tuning software is necessary to get you completely dialed in. Why have custom tuning software you speak of and not use the power available in the software? I can shoot you a tunefile via email which will closer than that you speak of. How do I know. I have tuned several combinations and know what is necessary to get these vehicles to run properly. -j

 

[chriswells78]

One thing to mention is that tuning isn't something simple to all. Yes a stock setup will be easier but when the mods get heavier you will definately start separating the men from the boys.

That is the same voodoo witchcraft crap that I have been hearing about tuning for years. The fact is, internal combustion engines still use spark gas and pistons to produce energy just like they did in the carb days. Now instead of a mechanical means of fuel and spark delivery, it is electronic. Fuel injectors have replaced floats and jets, coil packs or COP has replaced mechanical distributors. The computer that controls this has been the heart of the mystery because there is no interface to it besides a 16 pin plug, a key in the ignition and an idiot light in the dash. I've watched tuning from the outside as canned chips evolved into tuner interfaces and then into SCT, each giving the end user a small bit more involvement in the process. Sniper and a few others are then next step in that evolution.

You mention the $380 box which SCT dealers have to sell. Well, yes that is true. With that box you get customer service, free adjustments and so on if you are my customer. You fail to mention that the Sniper tuning has hardware to purchase initially which exceed the cost of the $380.00 box.

I purchased mine for $350 and what you are forgetting is that for the $380 that must be spent on an SCT box must be spent for each Ford related vehicle in your driveway. The $350 I spent on my Special Forces software covers 2 of the 3 vehicles in my driveway. If I want to tune the third, I can purchase an additional "bullet" for less than $200. Doing the math (I am an accountant by the way) that is $550 for all 3 vehicles with Sniper versus $1140 with SCT.

As far as customer service goes, yes, I'm sure, as all here who use your service have said, you do a great job. I don't doubt that one bit, however. If I'm on the trail with my truck or at the drag strip with my car, I don't want or have time to wait for an email to add/retard timing or richen/lean my fuel trims. I also have a dyno 2 minutes from my house that has decent hourly rates.

Additionally there are cost associated with remote tuning that customers don't even really know until they are in to deep with. Wide band 02's and data logging software don't come for free. Yes most don't have mods at the current time that warrant much beyond a canned tune. Not me, not everybody.

I have looked into becoming a dealer for Sniper so I am fully aware of the pricing structure for the consumer and dealer. Furthermore if anyone wants to tune thier own vehicle and already owns a ExCal2 they can purchase a Pro-Racer package and everything the Snipertuning will do can be done in the SCT pro-racer package.

Once again, it is an issue of economics. SCT is the same thing at a greater cost as even the Sniper Commando package. And if I am not mistaken, you can still only do one vehicle with SCT, Two with Sniper

Why do you anti-SCT market so much? Not only will a customer (when he or she purchases the SCT pro-racer package) get full tuning capabilities but will get a base tunefile and also the customer service necessary from thier dealer who sold them the package and SCT. Not only that it is very easy to find someone who can help with SCT. I have been around tuning a while and locally haven't seen anyone who uses Sniper tuning. I am not saying Sniper isn't good software, it is. I have personally talked to Patrick at Sniper (one of the owners) and they seemed real helpful with assisting me with getting setup with thier new software. The drop downs you talk about will only get you close but the tuning software is necessary to get you completely dialed in. Why have custom tuning software you speak of and not use the power available in the software? I can shoot you a tunefile via email which will closer than that you speak of. How do I know. I have tuned several combinations and know what is necessary to get these vehicles to run properly. -j

I think I covered most of this in my above statements. With my truck, the drop downs got me extremely close, probably as close as a canned tune from any SCT dealer would have. I only had to do small fine tuning to make it feel great on the butt dyno. I'm going down the road here in a couple weeks when I get time to dyno it for real. Like I said, I don't doubt your abilities but I find it rediculous to have to wait for an email in order to make a change. You have a life too, I'm sure, and are not at the computer 24/7 also. As far as support, Sniper does a great job of that through their forum www.snipertuningforums.com. I've gone there a few times for help, mostly with my backfiring issue. Now it have a great mileage tune set up where I'm getting almost 300 miles out of a tank with my mods and I hope to be able to test my performance tune at the dyno.

Don't take it personal, but I hope you do start selling Sniper. It would be good for business and good for the world to take the percieved "voodoo" out of tuning.

 

[rocket 5979]

That is the same voodoo witchcraft crap that I have been hearing about tuning for years. The fact is, internal combustion engines still use spark gas and pistons to produce energy just like they did in the carb days. Now instead of a mechanical means of fuel and spark delivery, it is electronic. Fuel injectors have replaced floats and jets, coil packs or COP has replaced mechanical distributors. The computer that controls this has been the heart of the mystery because there is no interface to it besides a 16 pin plug, a key in the ignition and an idiot light in the dash. I've watched tuning from the outside as canned chips evolved into tuner interfaces and then into SCT, each giving the end user a small bit more involvement in the process. Sniper and a few others are then next step in that evolution.

I know that reply was to James but as another person who tunes with SCT I could not help but clarify a few things. Chris I invite you or anyone else who thinks tuning is a bunch of hyped up voodoo witchcraft to my house when I am tuning a vehicle to see this "voodoo witchcraft". I can assure you that tuning the proper and safe way is nothing short of an artform; with the addition of complex mathematics as well. I can GUARANTEE YOU that once you see this "voodoo tuning" in person you will have much more respect for the process and procedure involved in real tuning of vehicles with custom combinations.

Additionally there are cost associated with remote tuning that customers don't even really know until they are in to deep with. Wide band 02's and data logging software don't come for free. Yes most don't have mods at the current time that warrant much beyond a canned tune. Not me, not everybody.

Chris the SCT datalogging software is free... Go HERE to download it if you wish?

Don't take it personal, but I hope you do start selling Sniper. It would be good for business and good for the world to take the percieved "voodoo" out of tuning.

Once again, I invite you to come to my house while I am tuning a car. Hell, I will even retune a car just for example purposes so that you can see how involved the process gets with this stuff. When you go home you will realize that when you really get into tuning a modified vehicle with different MAF, different placement of the MAF, different injectors, power adder and so on that things do get VERY complex in the tuning. It is not voodoo it is reality.

 

[aldive]

Very well stated.

I too also tune with the SCT goodies and agree completely.

 

[storlied]

Could you guys give me an example of.. erm... omg.. hungover... cant explain anything.. -_-

uhm.. tryin to figure out.. how to tune? like.. what does it look like... the interface? like.. uhm.. what kinda options do i have? is it all coding or? menus.. or... dkfjlsjh idk.. god.. il try n ask another time..

 

[rocket 5979]

Could you guys give me an example of.. erm... omg.. hungover... cant explain anything.. -_-

uhm.. tryin to figure out.. how to tune? like.. what does it look like... the interface? like.. uhm.. what kinda options do i have? is it all coding or? menus.. or... dkfjlsjh idk.. god.. il try n ask another time..

I do not believe I have ever actually seen someone hungover on a forum before. Hehehe.

I assume you want to see a picture or two of a few examples of what the computer screen looks like when you are making a tune for a vehicle. I can provide a few still shots and it may give you a slight idea of what you are thinking of but the best way to understand what happens is to actually see the process happening. That is why most people think it is "voodoo" is because they do not fully understand it and assume that those of us who do tune are pulling the wool over other people's eyes.

If I get off my lazy butt I will open a tune in Advantage and take a screen shot or two of a few items.

 

[storlied]

That's exactly what I'm looking for.. I'm asking myself like.. alright.. say I got the mac intake.. what exactly and how... do I change the tune for it?

 

[rocket 5979]

That's exactly what I'm looking for.. I'm asking myself like.. alright.. say I got the mac intake.. what exactly and how... do I change the tune for it?

Taking a look at the pictures will not give you ANY idea on how to tune your truck. It will give you an idea of a small portion of the things available for modification in a custom tune. There are literally thousands of parameters that you can change in the PCM for various tuning reasons. You would have to buy the custom tuning software and any hardware necessary for it too.

Learning how to tune properly is not a simple process. In some tuning platforms like HP and Sniper there are some drop down menu's but that only covers a limited amount of items before you just got to get your hands dirty. If you want to keep it simplest just have someone else tune your vehicle for you. I also suggest against trying to tune your own vehicle if you are bad at math. There is allot of mathematics involved in it. Allot of ratios and proportioning. At the end of the day it is all up to you though. Good luck in your choice.

 

[chriswells78]

You go ahead and take screen shots of what you have and I'll take some screen shots of my Sniper software and you'll wonder why you ever spent all that time and money on any other software.

 

[storlied]

I'm HORRIBLE at math.........................

 

[storlied]

You two need to quit argueing.. i'm sure each software has it's pros and cons.. it depends on what the user wants... customers first!.. =P

 

[rocket 5979]

Here are a few pictures of the SCT Advantage tuning software. I have the MAF Transfer function open in one, trans shift schedule in another and the borderline knock table in the other. These are just 3 of many tables that is modified when tuning. When you get an SCT tune you get your money's worth.

 

[rocket 5979]

You go ahead and take screen shots of what you have and I'll take some screen shots of my Sniper software and you'll wonder why you ever spent all that time and money on any other software.

Chris my offer still stands. By the way, what mods do you have again? And another thing, I wasn't talking to you the last few posts. I was talking to the OP. Do you have something to prove in here Chris?

If you think that your Sniper Tuning software is the best then that is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. However, I think you cross the line when you make such ridiculous statements as your "voodoo magic" tuning comments. I also think you crossed the line in your last post as well. You should have a little more appreciation for a tuning system of which you have zero apparent knowledge. For you to be in a position to disrespect the SCT tuning system you would have to know something about it besides hearsay.

Like I said, come on over to my neck of the woods and I will show you what this stuff consists of. Until then you have no ability to make any comments about it. Period. Talk about a benchracer.

 

[storlied]

Most of that looks pretty complicated, but some of the things could be pretty simple with some common sense and logic... but yea.... idk...

 

[jah81592]

My offer stands for Chris as well. I have a custom turbo setup and if he wishes he can come and peck away at it. Dont forget Chris I am not a inexperience tuner and it took well over 2 hours to get my truck to idle and drive to my satisfaction. I am not saying Sniper is inferior to SCT, but you knock a product you haven't used the custom tuning software on,yet. By the way if you want to add or remove fuel or spark and make some small changes with SCT you don't have to carry a laptop. All you need is the "box" you talk about and in the end user adjustments add or remove fuel or spark accordingly. Oh and it can be done on the trail as well.

By the way I pride myself with my customer service and if I were your dealer I would feel confident in my statement to say you would've been satisfied as well. Looking from the outside it seems as if someone has burned you and you are upset with that fact. I have personally tuned with Sniper and many other softwares. BTW, I didn't need the drop down boxes and I also don't use the "value files" from SCT either. This just comes with experience. Automated tuning? Not for my baby!!! If you arent tuning your vehicle from front to back then it is a voodoo which hasn't had the mythes disspelled because you (anyone) doesn't understand what is happening in the software.

Chris you can ask anyone who is my customer on these forums I haven't ever charged extra for remote tuning if you purchase the product from me. I also rent widebands to ease the pain especially for people who won't need them after the tuning is done. I am very flexible. I guarentee you that you won't ever do business with another dealer as flexible as me. Later-J

 

[jah81592]

Most of that looks pretty complicated, but some of the things could be pretty simple with some common sense and logic... but yea.... idk...

Yeah man, if you don't feel confident (in tuning) then I would look to a reputable tuner to get the job done for you. There are many to choose,it all hinges on who you would like to be yours.-j

 

[rocket 5979]

Yeah man, if you don't feel confident (in tuning) then I would look to a reputable tuner to get the job done for you. There are many just choose who you would like to be yours.-j

That is correcto. That goes for any tuning platform you may be looking at from SCT, Sniper, HP, TwEECer and on and on too. For most people, having a professional tune their car is the best way to go. Simplest, least heartache, less time involved, less money.

 

[storlied]

You mean more money, right?... =\
And more time consuming?.. well.. if ur picky.. lol