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Where are you reading??? I keep finding the same **** over and over. Maybe I'll call Daniel.

So no to 2" tubing or am I just overkilling it.
 



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the strength of the link's is directly porportional to the angle/design of the suspension, the bonus of 3 and 4 link's is the ability to design power transfer caractristics into it, hotrodders have done this for many many year's.
I would suggest (for ease of fabrication) stay away from cromoly tube, chances are you will bump into a few guy's on the trail who have a redi welder but not too many guy's carry a tig welder around :rolleyes:
 






If you think you need it there..

Than get it . Its yourself that you need to be happy with. AKA. If it feels good do it.
 






the distance between the bottom link and top link on the housing is what will control the wrap effect.
 






I want to study some other rigs and see how they are set up and search for some pictures.

Where can you get tube adapters for 2" ID tube anyway? I don't think you will see that much difference in strength anyway besides some huge tubes under your truck. :eek:

Let's use 1.5" ID tube with .250 wall and 1.25" Heim joints. Sure not going to be cheap...
 






I use a guy thats works in our fab shop at work for discounts on metal stuff. So you tell me what to use and we'll go from there. Yeah I wasn't even thinkin about the heim joints.:eek: I'm dumb today!!!

Well keep searching. Keep thinkin of things I haven't yet.
 






Originally posted by Hotweels
the strength of the link's is directly porportional to the angle/design of the suspension, the bonus of 3 and 4 link's is the ability to design power transfer caractristics into it, hotrodders have done this for many many year's.
I would suggest (for ease of fabrication) stay away from cromoly tube, chances are you will bump into a few guy's on the trail who have a redi welder but not too many guy's carry a tig welder around :rolleyes:

Hotweels has a good point. I carry a readi welder but that won't do us any good IF you break a link. I'll be at work soon so I'll post some thoughts later.
 






I think your plan sounds freaking awsome I'd love to do it someday! But i'm curious about something. I was reading a Q&A in Peterson 4 wheel mag and someone was asking about unimog's. Their tech guy while admitting it would be awsome cautioned the guy asking about them that the unimog axles used a torque tube design. This would make mounting it up the the transfer case difficult since you would would have to make some kind mounting adapter that would allow the tube to move freely about the drive shaft.

Like I said i'm just curious, I know very very little, basically nothing about unimogs.

Later
CP :D
 






they make a u-joint conversion for the portal's now to eliminate the torque tube design.
 






Holy ******** Tuesday Batman


This is gonna be pretty darn sweet...i wanna watch this
 






Yeah but that damn conversion kit costs another $200 too. SOBs getcha any way they can.:D j/k.

That was one of my most important ? I did ask when he called me. They do make a kit to eliminate the torque tube.
 






Dont sweat the welding part

Go to the local welding supply house and tell them the material you intend to weld. They will probably suggest a high nickil or 777 3/8 rod. Buy a pound and and duct tape the hell out of and stow it in your truck. It wont look as pretty but it will work.
 






I'd like to use chromolly for the links but cost isn't going to allow it. My guy doesn't get it for any cheaper so I'll go with what I can.

Those big ol' hiem joints are going to be pricey to so that'll cut into the budget pretty good.
 






Dont sweat the moly just make sure..

You use structural grade seamless tubing The main diff. is weight. And anyone can weld it. Do not use pipe on the links. I can show you some pics of the four link on our pony dirt truck that would scare you. And it only has a four banger. D.O.M.= Seamless tubing.
 






Alrighty here. You guys are getting a little too excited and thinking past things.

Ideal links for strength and scrapage. Use TUBE, not pipe. Tubing is measured by OD, pipe is ID.

1.5" x 0.250 wall DOM sleeved with 1.75"x0.120 HREW. I have tubing adapters that will fit in the 1.75"x0.120 in both LHT and RHT for 1.25" heims.

This way your link isn't rediculously heavy, it will take a beating, and it won't be so large that it gets hung up on everything. I've been running those exact links in the rear of mine and everything is fine.

If you are interested and know the lengths, I can build the links with tube adapters, jam nuts, heims, and misalignment spacers for you complete for a good deal.

As for hydro. I only know of one supplier that can get RTC hydrostatic steering units. They are around $500. If you are running full hydro, your stock pump will be able to handle it (at least mine does with 38s). You need to figure out how many turns lock to lock of the steering wheel you want to pick out the correct steering unit. You also need to know the range of motion the tie-rod has from lock to lock in order to get the correct ram. I can put together a full hydro non-RTC kit without brackets (they are different for everything) for around $950.

People have mentioned link seperation and what not. It is important both on the axle and chassis side. It isn't as simple as making some links, welding some tabs on and bolting the links in place.

You have to figure out what design is going to limit your articulation steer, maximize your flex, and do this while keeping your anti-squat and instant center all within reason and while working with the tolerances of your chassis. There is no one way to do it, but it would be in your best interest to figure it out before you start building anything. Link length and angle (x,y and y,z) play a factor there too.

As for the Atlas, they only make a right or left hand drop. From my understanding, the rear 404 axle is centered and the front is offset to the driver's side, so you should have nothing to worry about in terms of driveshafts lining up.

Now, the crawl ratio.

If you have and auto, you will be better off. First gear in an A4LD is 2.47. Your 1354 case's low range is 2.48. The 404 axle end up around ~7.56 with the hub reduction. That would give you a crawl of around 46.3:1. The TQ converter would (on average) double that to put you at 92:6.

Now, if you have a 5-speed, you are in worse shape (IM0). The Mazda 5-speed has a first gear of ~3.9. The t-case is still 2.48 and the 404 end ratio is ~7.56. That leaves you at 73.5:1 for your final crawl ratio.

For comparisons sake.

I run a 4.0, C5, 4.3 Atlas and 5.13 gears. That puts me at ~112:1. I am running 38.5x14.5 SXs and I will tell you that it isn't enough. I need either lower gearing (my only option is the 5:1 gears for the A2) or more power.

So what does this mean to you? It means that if you are considering running anything bigger than a 37 with the current tranny, t-case and the 404 axles (which you are) that you are going to have to get more power or lower t-case gears, or even possibly both.

A 4.3 Atlas with the A4LD would put you at 159:7. I'd say that would be good for nothing larger than a 42. If you have the 5-speed, it would put you at 126.7:1. I'd say that woul dbe good for nothing larger than a 38.

A 5:1 Atlas with the A4LD would put you at 186:1. I'd say you could run nothing larger than a 44 with that. With the 5-speed you would be at 146:1. I'd say that would be in the 40" tire range.

Those are just tire sizes however. The bigger and wider you go in tire size, the heavier they get and more power/lower gearing they require. Therefore those tire sizes may need to be dropped by 2" per selection.

If I were you I would also plan on getting an Atlas 2 right from the start. I also think the 42" tire would be ideal.
 






Yeah man! Yeah I use only seamless tubing on anything. I don't care what it is. I don't trust stuff like that.
 






Anything you have Cory that I need, I want. Can you e-mail me or PM me and get me some prices.

Now I'm not a wizard when it comes to this stuff but I thought with my 404s with a 7.42 final ratio(i think) with an Atlas t-case would suit me fine for 42s. I do have 5 speed in my X. Will a C5 bolt to my 4.0L?
 






I edited my post to reflect that the end ratio of a 404 is 7.56:1.

A C5 will bolt on. It uses the C5 flexplate, C5 TQ converter, A4LD starter, and the 1354 will bolt up as well. You will need an aftermarket floor shifter. I use the B&M Quicksilver designed for the C4.

Email me at CoryL@CRLCustoms.com with the parts you are interested in getting and we can discuss price.
 






I forgot to mention in an eariler post that I was looking at the heim joints on Cory's site. I haven't had time to check out the website's you sent me yet. I will this evening.

Sounds like Cory is the hookup. Might be about the same price to get it all from him ready to bolt on then to weld up the links ourselves.

I'm no engineer so I can't just draw out a 4-link that will work. I have to sit under the truck then I can visualize the axle and we can see where the arms could be and how it will effect torque, axle wrap, steering, etc. I wish I was smart, but I'm not. :rolleyes:
 



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Just to screw with you guys....I have a new idea in axles but Derrick has to try VERY hard this time to keep a secret.....:rolleyes:
 






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