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So I was looking at some extended beams on camburg today and it got me thinking, because camburg is expensive and i'd like to do a lot of my mods myself....


Has anyone put the beams off an F-150 on an explorer before? cuz they would be a couple inches wider i think and possibly stronger? Dana 44?....


what do you guys think about this?

also i was thinkin of a bigger radiator for better cooling :D maybe off the 5.0 explorers?
 



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Haven't done it, but I think you would be into alot. I own one of each truck, and even though the engineering is essentially the same, your radius arms will likely be spaced further apart on the F-150, so I would be worried about the explorer arms reaching. I would also worry if they would fit up to the F-150 TTB (possibly larger axle housings). Worth looking into, but make sure you check these details before hand. Maybe the F-150 radius arms could also be transferred... now you have me wondering, LOL. Let me know what you figure out. L8r!
 






ya i definatly will look into it because camburgs wider arms are 1800 or 2400 depending on truss or non truss.....


im planning on doing long travel so i was going to do some hiem radius arms anyways...
and coilovers so the shock/spring mounting points arent a big deal.....


i would think that i would want to use the f-150 dif and axels because it would all fit correctly and i would just have to cut and turn the beams and bore them out for axel clearance at full extention.... wich would be the same if i used the explorer TTB...

the f150 stuff is just wider and would feel super nice offroad with extra stability hehe... another benifit i can think of is the brakes from the f150 :thumbsup:

i think im going to make a visit to the local pick-your-parts yard and see what i can find and measure some stuff and ill repost unless someone has the difference in length of the TTB set up
 






yikes, what you are talking about is putting a dana 44 ttb under your explorer, I am afraid it is not that simple. the dana 44 TTB is HUGE, you cannot just bolt it to your pivot brackets it will be spacer entirely wrong and the diff will be in your engine crossmember.

To get a D44 ttb under your truck requires custom everything, including pivot points, radius arms, coil buckets, shock mounts, steering, etc


Autofab makes a kit now to do this exact thing, but he modifies the beams a bit and its expensive.

the dana 44 ttb is only slightly stronger then the D35 ttb when it comes to ring and pinion, axle shafts, etc its big advantage is the outers which have much better spindles/bearings/hubs and brakes.

Now it has and can be done, but it is a huge beast to try and stuff under an Explorer.
IMO you are best off either buying a Autofab D44 complete bolt on kit, or putting D44 outers on custom dana 35 TTB beams.
radius arms and the geometry for them will be based on your beams, how they are customized, how much lift you want to run, and what arc they travel on. You cannot jsut throw parts together and expect them to work. Radius arms have a certain amount of caster built into them
the beams have a certain amount of camber correction built in
the steering and geometry of the arc of travel all needs to be figured out in order to get a good working TTB, reduce bump steer, and get long travel and good handling.
 






well i never expected to just "throw" parts together and expect everything to matte up with no problems...

i was planning on doing coilovers so thats all custom mounting locations anyways...bump stops as well...and most likely some custom drop brackets
so radius arms and possibly steering was going to be custom stuff anyways...

think it would be easier to custom lenghten the dana35 TTB or trying to fit f150 ttb in there?
 






Well, to tell you the truth, if you are even considering lengthening your existing... I would rather go with the F-150 stuff and make it work... it is fabbing one way or another, and I would rather make a known good part fit than try and lengthen (cut/weld/grind/drill) an existing part... there are just too many things that can go wrong when you do that. Do you want me to measure the difference? I can do it, just tell me what dimensions you want. I have 2 1992 ex's, a 1993 F-150 4x4 and a 1988 F-150 4x2 TTB that I can measure. Let me know, I am interested to know how well this will work.
 






hey you guys slow down.
You are not the first to put a dana 44 ttb under a first gen truck, it has been done, will be done again, and as I said Autofab even makes a complete bolt no it these days to do just that $$$$$
the Autofab kit uses custom pivot bracket to locate the Dana 44 beams under the truck in such a way the differential will clear. You guys must understand that the dana 44 diff is HUGE compared to the D35 diff. Its such a tight fit in fact that the Autofab kits uses uniballs as the pivot for the beam instead of bushings, bushings would have too much play in them and aloow the diff to move around enough to hit the crossmember/frame.

Now again the strength of the dana 35 TTB is jsut about the exact same as the dana 44 ttb when it comes to the ring and pinion and axle shafts, so you are not really gaining anything by stuffing this big pig under there.

the whole reason you would want a Dana 44 under the truck IMO is because it gives you 8+" of increased track width immediatley AND because the outers have the far superior spindle, hubs, wheel bearings, brake and caliper.

However people have now been putting the dana 44 outers onto the dana 35 beams, so this kind of defeats the reasoning for stuffing the entire dana 44 under there.

People have been building custom TTB beams for a long time now (including myself) and when done correctly you should not have issues or asd you said too many things can go wrong, my beams have held up to severe punishment over the last 5 years or so and they are a very simple cut and turn.

You can extend the dana 35 beams after the radius arms 4.5" per side and get the increased track widht that you would gain with the dana 44, so again that kinda defeats the track width bonus issue from trying to stuff the dana 44 under there.
When you go 4.5" per side after the radius arm it saves you a ton of $$$ because you can use dana 44 outer axle shafts instead of having custom shafts made.

Now I am not trying to discourage you from tackling this project really, I mean if you are dead set on stuffing that dana 44 under there go for it! just know you are not the first, nor the last and how do you think I know all this stuff? Its because I have reasearched it for years and followed the builds of people who have done it. I personally cannot justify that conversion, now when its easier to fit the d35 ttb under there, extend and truss the beams to gain the 8"+ track width, bolt on the D44 outers to get the brakes/spindles/hubs without the need for super custom pivot brackets, etc

John at Autofab saw a way to make this work and its an amazing kit, so maybe take a look at it and see whats involved, beacuse if you want to do it then I am guessing you are going to end up copying his kit 90%.

Coilovers, coils, whatever how you choose to spring it and shock it are after thoughts really, the camber correction for the lift height (re-locating lower ball joint, agian modified beam) the steering geometry, the radius arms, pivot locations, should all come first.
Then of course if you are running a dana 44 under your truck you will need to swap your master cylinder to accomodate the larger calipers, you will have to modify your front driveshaft to reahc the new D44 diff and attach to it, etc

So my point is this, there is alot to consider when tackling a project like this, as I said I say go for it if you are dead set on it, but logic tells me to stick with the d35 beams, modify them for your camber correction and width increase, run the d44 outers and you get all the gains without all the hassle or trying to fit the huge d44 pig under your truck.


Whatever you decide research is the key, check out the people who have come before you, check out the Explorers and Rangers running around that are already using a dana 44 ttb under them, check out the members on this forum who have machined their d35 beams to accept the d44 outers, check out the Autofab kit, check out the Camburg stages of TTB kits, reasearch the crap out of this and then decide what it right for you. I have already figured out what directin i am going to take, I already picked up a set of D35 beams to modify shortly.........shhhh its a secret.
I will have 18-22" of travel, coilovers, bump stops and dana 44 outers.
 






410 you make a good point....it would be easier to lengthen the D35 after the radius arms....
i havent seen the d44 but its on a full size truck so i will take your word on it haha...

i wasnt dead set on doing this i wanted to get some input on what would be more wise to do....

i was thinking about the f150 beams because it already has the lengthen axels to fit in it... if i widen the d35 an extra 4.5" each side where could i get the axels to fit?....and do i have to widen it 4.5" each side or could i do less like maybe 3" or something.....

im very new to the world of fabrication so im trying to get ideas and lots of you are very experienced at modifying the ttb

and 410 you are right, theres are TONS of people that have done just the d44 outers and ive heard nothing but good things about that mod...


oh and um 18-22" travel is A LOT!!! haha i was hoping to get 16-18" out of my front endand something like 17-20" rear....i saw some super long travel deaver springs recently that i might look into
 






4.5" per side is what you use because you can simply then use the d44 outer shafts inside your D35 beams, if you go 3" per side you will have to have custom axle shafts machined = $$$$$$$$$$$ big $$
 






I just like reading what 410 writes... You could write a book and i would read it... and i bearly read period.
 






oh well if you can use the inner shafts/hubs/brakes off the d44 then ill just modify the d35's thats exactly what i wanted to know.....

i dont want to make custom axel shafts :thumbdwn: thats sounds like a little TOO much

now im like really excited about extended track width......anybody have extended arms on here that can tell me how they drive?,,,,i know they are more stable offroad but i wanna see what it feels like

but i geuss with long travel deavers rear and coilovers and 33's it wont drive anything like normal anyways haha
 






Creager said:
I just like reading what 410 writes... You could write a book and i would read it... and i bearly read period.
That would = a lot of = signs... :D
I know what you mean though.

Me = j/k Jamie. :p
 






In reading this thread, I am beginning to question my thoughts of entertaining a f-250 front end swap????? thinking outside of the box leads to great things. bad and good.
 






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