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hatched91 going from leafs to coils

hi everyone. i had a previous sas thread where i used a jeep dana44 with leafs. i plan on using the same jeep axle but with coils. here's the list i think i'll get.

5.5" wild horses coils
78 bronco coil seats
78 bronco radius arms
78 bronco radius arm brackets
78 bronco coil spring buckets
78 bronco track bar (modified if needed)

i should be getting most of my parts by next weekend. i have some questions that would be great to have answered before i start.

i was wondering about radius arms, do they need to be extended?
what does "wristed" mean?
would i have any problems using coils on my jeep wagoneer dana 44 axle?
 


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Your current trac bar angle is good. Did you butt-weld in a splice to the tracbar? :eek:

I think your street driving problem is caster. What does your caster look like? Its really hard to tell from pics but it appears that you either need to cut/turn the knuckles or bring the pinion down.

im with you james, I need a better picture but Caster seems to me off....

And who is blowing their nose on your frame? :D
 




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ooo lowblow..i'll get some more pics. I think i'm going to make the trac bar straight, with no bends in it to see if that makes any difference. To clear things up a little more, when i go about 20mph, it starts bouncing from side to side as if i were jerking the wheel from side to side..it's terrifying and i can't go any faster. I know alignment can come into play, but i don't know if poor alignment can make the vehicle do what it's doing right now..also, i don't think the camber is adjustable on these axles, is that right?
 




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I think i'm going to make the trac bar straight, with no bends in it to see if that makes any difference...also, i don't think the camber is adjustable on these axles, is that right?
The shape of the "trac bar" or "panhard bar" doesnt make a difference -- thats what I was trying to get across. The only thing that matters is the imaginary line that goes from one mounting point to another. So it could have all sorts of fanciful bends and still be "in plane" with the steering link.

As for the camber, it should be okay unless you sliced the inner-knuckles (aka "C"s) and moved them -- or you have something thats bent.
 




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nope, nothing is bent or sliced.
 




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If you're sure everything is square and straight, check to see if the previous owner put an adjustable ball-joint sleeve thing on the knuckle's upper-ball joint. Typically these threaded sleeves have a perfectly centered tappered hole. However, there are after-market sleeves with an off-centered hole that allows one to adjust the camber by a few degrees by rotating the sleeve.
 




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Its not the camber, its the caster. Everytime you turn the steering linkage "falls over" or "raises up" because the knuckles are on a bad plane due to the bad caster. When you hit even the smallest bump or road irregularity the kunckles turn a slight amount... since the caster is off the arms on the knuckles fall downward (or go upward) and this pulls the tierod down (or up). This in turn pulls the draglink down (or up) with it which pulls on the pitman arm which is by proxy attached to your steering wheel. This makes it road walk like a SOB.

Your draglink angle is fine. Fix the caster and you will fix the death wobble.
 




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sounds like your towed in like a mother f*****
 




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thanks for the reply's guys. I think that james and COB have it. After talking to some people around here and your guys' responses, i think i'll check the towin. The oldman says that the front of the tires should be 1/4 less wide than the rear of the tires. Also, i don't have any sort of pivot in my radius arms and i don't have drop brackets. I think i'll build some this weekend and weld them on! I'm definitally going to take a look at the tow in tonight. I'll also check for the camber adjustment, but i think i'll have to end up buying some 5lug front rims and using the stock knuckles.
 




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I'll also check for the camber adjustment, but i think i'll have to end up buying some 5lug front rims and using the stock knuckles.
Not camber, caster. :) Your camber is probably fine. Even if its off a little, it wont give you the death wobble that you are getting.
 




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yeah, i understand that. you can litterally see the positive camber from 4ft in front of the vehicle, you don't even have to stand back. Since my tires are most definitally used, i won't worry about that, but the ultimate goal is to get them aligned as well as possible. if i get a chance tomorrow in the daylight, i'll take some pics.
 




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lol camber vs. caster - who will win
 




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well i don't believe it, i measured my toe-in, and it was 3" narrower in the front than in the rear of the tire. i turned my tie rod about 4 or 5 full turns, had about the same front and rear and what do ya know...it fixed it completely!!! i still have a little bit of slop in my steering but i think if i install the new poly lower track bar bushing, it will take care of that.
 




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because of such a huge tow in it was trying to walk your tires toward eachother and that was causing alot of your camber issues too
drives fine now doesent it???
 




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yes it does! the camber straightened itself out as well!
 




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yes it does! it took care of the camber as well!
 








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thanks, i'm glad it did work out! I still have a lot of slop in my steering, i think i'm going to get a different box, i'll probably go outside of the frame like section525 did. That way i will have no problem if i decide to go v8
 




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Your current trac bar angle is good. Did you butt-weld in a splice to the tracbar? :eek:

I think your street driving problem is caster. What does your caster look like? Its really hard to tell from pics but it appears that you either need to cut/turn the knuckles or bring the pinion down.

JamesT is right on with this one. Your issue here is the fact that your coil buckets arent spaced out, and your caster is way off. Realistically, you will need to drop your radius arm mounts down a little, or lose some of the lift.
 


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yeah, i plan on making some custom radius arm mounts, there isn't much to them. Also, once my V8 is in, i'm giong to space out the buckets..no point in spacing them out if the front end will sag a lot more when the v8 is in and i'll just have to grind them off again.
 




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