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hey guys im new to this website, I've got a 2002 ford explorer xlt v6 with the 4.0 v6 engine and im hearing rattling noises especially on cold start ups.
its not a 'loud' rattling noise, its sound very thin but it really lets you know its there :)
and there also this 'ticking' noise underneath the truck around the exhaust area under the engine. i cant really tell where but its somewhere around the front.
the truck runs fine, no rough idling, no hesitations whatsoever.
and also when i accelerate, theres a rattle around 2,300-2,500rpm. very light sounding rattle u can hear it even with the windows up. it is there.
please help :) i have a video on youtube i could probly post the link later on :)
thank you guys.
 



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hey guys im new to this website, I've got a 2002 ford explorer xlt v6 with the 4.0 v6 engine and im hearing rattling noises especially on cold start ups.
its not a 'loud' rattling noise, its sound very thin but it really lets you know its there :)
and there also this 'ticking' noise underneath the truck around the exhaust area under the engine. i cant really tell where but its somewhere around the front.
the truck runs fine, no rough idling, no hesitations whatsoever.
and also when i accelerate, theres a rattle around 2,300-2,500rpm. very light sounding rattle u can hear it even with the windows up. it is there.
please help :) i have a video on youtube i could probly post the link later on :)
thank you guys.

If the cold start up rattling noise sounds like it is coming from the internal engine area, it could be a "timing chain" guide issue. If you do have a timing chain guide problem going on, you don't want to keep driving that vehicle because they can cause the engine to blow from the broken pieces of the guide in the engine. If you think that might be the problem, do an oil and filter change and check the old oil for any plastic or metallic pieces in the oil. Some have also said their oxygen sensors have broken off inside the cat converters and rattle around, but you should get a CEL code when that happens from the bad sensor. On the exhaust rattling noise, it could be a loose "heat shield plate". You'll have to safely get under the truck and check those heat shields for any play in them. Also, a "ticking noise" could be an exhaust leak in the engine manifold area or an engine "lifter" tick. Just some things to look into.
 






@exproblems..

hey man thanks for replying. i took my explorer to my mechanic and from what he told me he thinks the engine is "pinging" and he told me to run the truck on high octane fuel, around 95 to 98ron fuel grade. which i did but the rattle on 2,500rpm is still present. thou the rattle on cold morining start ups have subsided just a little bit, but its still there. and also for the past few weeks the "check engine light" logo illuminates and stays everytime i get on the freeway and accelerate. but that only happend twice in about a month, and i reckon it has got something to do with the cats.
and the rattling noise on cold start ups, its really hard to tell if it is the chain or the serpentine belt rattling i dont know. but it sound very thin, almost like a diesel but very light sounding.

vipersinu2@..And yes i did check all other posts but i wanted to find a 'spot on' answer so i decided to post another post relating to engine rattles.
 






That "like a diesel sound" is probably low oil pressure at the valve lash adjusters. Broken plastic timing chain guide peices are most likely blocking the oil pickup. You can remove the lower oil pan with 10x10mm bolts and remove the broken peices from the oil pickup and oil pan yourself fairly easily. The oil pressure guage on the dash won't show anything different with this problem.

Your timing chain problem doesn't sound that bad. I'm almost certain that you could eliminate that timing chain noise all together with the 00m12 fix. Don't bother asking about 00m12 in Australia because they won't know what your talking about.
Basically the kit contains a larger hydraulic tensioner to take up the slack in the front jackshaft to camshaft timing chain caused by it's broken guide.
There is also a spacer to reduce the time taken by the oil to reach the tensioner during cold starts.
The 00m12 kit also includes a set of upper and lower intake manifold O-rings that replace the original ones that are causing a vacuum leak on cold starts and your check engine light to illuminate. Soon you will notice it will be hard to start your Explorer in the mornings due to these O-rings shrinking over time. Once your engine is warm they will expand and you will no longer have a vacuum leak, until the next cold start.
If you have the codes read at the mechanic they say "O2 sensor" and want to replace your 02 sensors, however it is not the sensors them selves that are bad, the data they are collecting is out of range.

Make sure that you do NOT run 20w/50 in your engine like the mechanics here in Australia tell you to do because it takes even longer for the oil to reach the hydraulic timing chain tenioners and fully tension your timing chain on cold starts in the morning.
I use 5w/40 because it's nice and thin in the mornings so it tensions your timing chains almost instantly and it's fairly thick as it warms up to help protect your engine componants. You can use something that starts with a 0w, 5w but no higher then 10w.

You can order an 00m12 kit online for about $70 and install it your self in about 5 hours if you feel confident or as a last resort you can get a mechanic to install it. You can order the 00m12 kit from here - http://www.usallparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?info=p1973_Ford--00M12--Timing-Chain-Tensioner-Service-Kit--Original-.html&XTCsid=bd32ba7d16063091629c161345fc2614

Good luck and happy explorations.....;)
 






Sounds like you have the same issue I have. After $1500 in repairs and still not fixed I have given up on it. Have been driving mine this way for months. Just going to let it go. Good luck and if you get it resolved post up what the result was.
 






make it easy and replace engine, it is the cheapest and most cost effective way. parts are expensive for the sohc engine's and your just putting a band aid on a junky engine. either way the engine needs to come out of the truck.
 






make it easy and replace engine, it is the cheapest and most cost effective way......

Unfortunately, this doesnt apply down here.

nowee, for your startup issue, as Sedition said, make sure you are running correct oil. Should be either 5W/20 0r 5W/30. (Im using 0W/30). I had a startup rumble/rattle that went away once I started using 0W and ditched the FRAM filter. Using a Motorcraft filter??
 






Unfortunately, this doesnt apply down here.

nowee, for your startup issue, as Sedition said, make sure you are running correct oil. Should be either 5W/20 0r 5W/30. (Im using 0W/30). I had a startup rumble/rattle that went away once I started using 0W and ditched the FRAM filter. Using a Motorcraft filter??

if you hear a rattel at start and around 2500 rpm's you have timing chain problems. look for a new engine.
 






. i took my explorer to my mechanic and from what he told me he thinks the engine is "pinging" and he told me to run the truck on high octane fuel, around 95 to 98ron fuel grade..

I am familiar with the "pinging" and have heard it before on some of my past vehicles during acceleration. Some people will say it is due to a bad batch of gasoline or a cheaper quality gasoline. I noticed it most when I bought gas on the Seneca Nation Indian Reservation on my way to or from work. From what I know, they (Seneca's) buy their gas from some supplier up in Canada. Once I switched to buying gas at another station selling a major brand of gas like (Sunoco, Mobil/Exxon), the pinging went away.
 






if you hear a rattel at start and around 2500 rpm's you have timing chain problems. look for a new engine.

Down here in New Zealand a used replacement engine is roughly US$3000 if you exchange your old engine. Add in labor costs to swap it in(and out) and its getting quite pricey. Add in freight..another couple hundy....

Can the timing chain issue not be fixed for less than that? ~$4000
 






@manjina.
hey man thnx for commenting.
I am from lowerhutt and i recently bought my explorer at maxmotors.. dunno if u know that car yard by paknsave lowerhutt?? anyways thou, my car is not due in until another 4,000km for a service, and thats including an oil change so i think ill just wait.
my father is a mechanic for how many years now and yet he cant really determine the sound the truck is making, but he has been listening to it and he mostly think thats its the serpentine pulley which is located right down the radiator.

And also the sound of the rattle gets a bit louder, say for example.. i put all my windows up along with the high beams on etc.. Like it gets louder when i put more load on the engine, or should i say the alternator?

So yeah, but i will upload a video on youtube to let u guys hear and see what's what and maybe you guys could probably rectify and so :)

Oh and apologies to all if i havnt been replying on time been a bit busy :)
 












@exproblems..

Hey dude so when u moved to a different gas station, did u use higher octane for your explorer, or did u stick with the original octane you've used?

My mechanic told me that the engine was pinging at around 2,500rpm on acceleration. and told me to try a higher octane. The minimum octane rating here in new zealand is 91, then 95 then 98ron.
So what i did was, stick to my old gas station (Bp) and went from 91 to 95 octane.
on the manual it says only use 91ron unleaded fuel but my mechanic suggested higher octane since its better for the engine. The pinging around 2,500rpm is still there but its not as loud as before. And yes no change in performance plus fuel economy has gotten a bit worse than the recommended fuel. Do you think I should go back to the recommended fuel or stick with the high octane?

@manjina.. Hey man which petrol station do you usually go and what sort of fuel would you recommend for my explorer? I go to BP station always down the hutt and now i put 95 octane since my mechanic told me etc..

And also my mechanic is a FORD man so I hope he knows what my truck needs, like you guys :)
Thanks.
 






Oh almost forgot guys, I recently noticed that the "4x4 high", doesn't light up like all the other warning lights when the ignition is on the "on" position (before starting the engine).

the 4x4 low still lights up, but not the 4x4 high.
and that when i press the 4x4 high, it seems like it does not engage at all, but the 4x4 high lights up on the dash when push but nothing happens.. no noise or anything like that. I havent tried using 4x4 low as i dont quite know the procedure, but yeah.
 






Your mechanic sounds like a retard. The Explorer is an all American made vehicle which is designed to run on 87 octane, the standard fuel avaliable in the US. Since 91 is the lowest octane fuel avaliable in AU or NZ then 91 will have to do. I have run higher octane (98) in my Explorer before just to see what happens and to put it simply, in stock form they just don't like it. They need to be able to suck more air to "like" the higher octane fuel.

It sounds to me like your mechanic is trying to empty your wallet. That's not your engine "pinging" it's timing chain guide or spring or both rubbing on the edge of your timing chain or chains. There are 4 timing chains located inside the 4.0L SOHC V6. 3 are on the front and 1 is located on the back of the engine on the drivers side (right hand drive export models).

If the rear guide was busted your drivers side camshaft would be retarded by 10 degrees. you would notice that type of performance degredation unless you purchased the vehicle with that fault existing. A dead give away of the rear guide being busted is that you will hear a slight "hiss" when you turn the engine off about half of the time. The "hiss" sound will be air leaking into the exhaust through the exhaust valves on the drivers side (right hand drive export models).

Now, sounding by your first post I'd say that the guide in the front jackshaft to camshaft timing chain cassette has broken and dropped into where the crankshaft to jackshaft timing chain is located. That rattle you can hear is from not all the slack being taken out of the front Jackshaft to Camshaft timing chain by it's hydraulic tensioner, this can be remedied with a larger tensioner. That ticking sound you can hear is the Crankshaft to Balanceshaft tensioner broken. One of the metal springs gets exposed and rubs on the timing chain, this causes the ticking noise.

Is there any chance I could get you to take the fan belt off and shoot that video again so we can hear exactly what is happening without the noise from the accessories and belt driven fan?

I'm going to post some picures on here of the timing chains and there locations to try to give you a mental picture of how they are setup. I want you to take in as much of this information as possible so you have some ammunition to take to your mechanic. If I prevent just 1 person from being ripped off blindly by mechanics on the southern side of the equator I will be a happy man.

The following picture shows the location of all 4 timing chains installed into the engine block, without the heads of course. Please note: these are the upgraded timing chain cassettes with beefier springs and steel reinforcement. In your engine the rattle you speak of is cause by the upper right front timing chain cassette. On the original cassette there was a plastic guide that ran between the chain and had a habbit of snapping. I found peices of mine wedged between the lower Crankshaft to Jackshaft timing chain and the front timing cover.

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The following picture shows the Balanceshaft timing chain. Notice the metal tensioner spring under the plastic curved peice on the under side of the chain. This can become dislodged from its position if the plastic peice above it breaks. When this happens the spring becomes jammed between the bracket and the chain causing the "ticking" noise you can hear.

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The 3 timing chains on the front can be replaced without removing the engine, although the front diff must be lowered in order the remove the upper oil pan to replace the Balance shaft tensioner guide and chain if it is indeed broken. It would be easier, cheaper and less time consuming for a professional to remove the engine to replace the balanceshaft timing assembly. It would be even cheaper to remove the balance shaft from service by simply cutting the chain.

The engine must be removed to replace the rear Jackshaft to Camshaft timing chain cassette.

This is the updated rear timing chain cassette. For some reason they did not decide to reinforce the rear guide with steel.

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FACTS AND FIGURES FOR THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE:

If you were to purchase an engine out of a wreck from a wreckers it would cost $2200 and you would have no way to tell if the timing chains were bad in that engine to begin with. The mechanic would most likely charge $5000 for the engine and installation. Sure you could have a mechanic install the timing chain componants into this engine, however, firstly they wouldn't want to do that and secondly they wouldn't have a clue how to time one of these engines anyway.:eek:

After months of searching you may be able to find one on ebay from $500 but that would be strictly on an as is basis with no guarantee on wether the crank would even spin freely.:(

Unfortunatly a new 4.0L SOHC V6 can not be found on a shelf down here anywhere, even at "Rare Spares" and would need to be imported from the US. I have not even considered the cost of this because it was going to be way out of my budget. Although, I would have really liked to import one.:D

You can leave it in the hands of your mechanic and he will change every sensor and non relevant componant and use every oil flush and other product on the market to try to please you all the while charging you several thousand dollars over the course of years until you arrive at the first option of a salvaged engine.:mad:

You could "man up" and change the parts yourself for like $600 and wind up with some awesome tools in the process.:hammer::sawzall:

You could try the 00m12 fix for $70 + postage. It would take a beginer about 5 hours to complete. But for someone who is fully tooled up and loves working on their truck, they could do it in under 2 hours.:thumbsup::usa:

Years ago before I had my Explorer there was someone on Ebay in Australia who specialised in the doing the timing chains on Explorers. They did the entire job for about $750. Maybe someone will do it again, they would have plenty of buisiness.

To finish, I will post a link to some helpful threads written by the master of the 4.0L SOHC V6 timing chains... 2000StreetRod...

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2349038
 






when i press the 4x4 high, it seems like it does not engage at all, but the 4x4 high lights up on the dash when push but nothing happens.. no noise or anything like that. I havent tried using 4x4 low as i dont quite know the procedure, but yeah.

That is normal operation. To put it simply, your truck is really in 4x4 anyway when you have "Auto 4x4" selected but the driveline is disconected between the transfer case and front driveshaft unless rear wheel slip is detected. So you can go around corners without the driveline binding up.

Selecting "4x4High" keeps the front drive shaft directly connected to the transfer case. You will notice the difference if you take sharp corners on the pavement because the driveline will bind up and the tires will scrub the ground. Doing that on the pavement is not recomended.

To put your truck in Low Range.
1~Firstly stop.
2~keep your foot on the brake.
3~select Neutral on the transmission shifter.
4~Select "4x4Low" on the dash. You will then hear the electric motor turn if you listen closely and have your window down. Then a clunk from the transfer case and the 4x4 low dash light will illuminate.
5~After the dash light illuminates you can shift back into Drive. Now your in low range and ready for some serious wheeling.:D

To shift back to high range do the opposite.
 






@exproblems..

Hey dude so when u moved to a different gas station, did u use higher octane for your explorer, or did u stick with the original octane you've used?


Do you think I should go back to the recommended fuel or stick with the high octane?

Thanks.

No, I never used a higher octane fuel at any gas station I went to other than the recommneded 87 octane. I just stopped buying gas from the Indian Reservation and that cured the valve pinging. I only bought it there because it was 50 cents a gallon cheaper there than off of the reservation stations and I drove 66 miles per day round trip to and from work. Luckily, with my job and the type of time off I could from it, I only had to work 2 or 3 days per week. Now the Indian reservations here only give you a 20 cent per gallon savings on fuel. I think you should stick with the recommmened octane for your vehicle if you can get 87 octane there or just buy gas from a different station/supplier and see if that helps with the pinging. BTW,
The valve pinging I had in the past wasn't with my current Ford Explorer, it happened on a couple of other vehicles I owned some years ago but it was due to the poor quality of gas I had put in it.
 






In regards to Octane, just use 91.....its what the manual calls for (and is the same as US 87...just different octane rating scales in play there).

Sedition, excellent info!!
 



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@sedition..
Hey thanks man. Wow, I am a bit overwhelmed at this stage since I have just bought the truck, little under 4 months. I bought it of over a good quality car yard which has been serviced and all that done to it before selling them.

What my old man wants to do is to try and remove the serpentine belt of like you said for about a minute to see if the rattle disappears, hopefully. Since this truck is half my father's aswell its all up to him what he wants to do with it and he's more mechanically minded than me.
And yes he is preety ticked off since I was the one to convice him to buy the truck to replace our old car in for a newer better one, but now the new truck is not looking well for us, and that we need to keep this vehicle for 3 years before we could trade it in for another car, since we bought an extended 3 year warranty (thank goodness), hopefully that will help us out if any major repairs comes.

Lol, now about my mechanic, the "FORD" guy is more of my main mechanic's assistant, and hes only been working for him for i think a year or so.
Our main mechanic has been servicing and looking over for our cars for almost 5 years now and has never let us down.
The only reason why I let the ford mechanic to have a listen and take it for a drive because I thought he'd probably know what the rattle is, but my main mechanic told me, or "us" that its the fan belt or the serpentine belt in this case. But they did both agreed to run it on higher octane which my dad and I did. But we only did it twice (full tank), and now I told my old man to go back to 91 as thats what the manual says anyway and thats the recommended fuel.

And also, we wouldn't have the time to do the chains ourselves since were mostly out and working and plus im worried it might void the warranty but i'm not truely sure about it.
If there is something wrong with the chain, the only option we really have is to get it fixed by a local mechanic, or our mechanic so we could claim the warranty. Would you recommend to take it to a FORD dealership and have them run a scan on the truck?
Becaue here in wellington, i dont think there are any repair shops that specialises in timing chains etc.. but i will keep a look out for one, if any.

I have a second video to upload soon :)

but the only thing i dont understand though, is that the rattle sort of gets a bit louder when i, for example.. hold all four power windows 'up' thus forcing them to go up but they are already closed, with my high beams and all that. but yeah its something like that.
anyway, ill keep you guys updated and thanks for all the help :)
 






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