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Manual sequential control of 4R44E / 5R55E

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Hi all, I’m thinking about a manual controlled sequential shifter for the 4R44E or possibly the 5R55E can anyone tell me the electronic solenoid on/off sequences for gear changes in these transmissions. I have ordered a set of manuals off ebay but these will take a while to arrive and it may not even be in them.
For example which solenoids are “on” and which are “off” for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (5th) gears. A high/low table would be useful, or a link to one.


Also a few other questions….

1, if these transmissions are controlled manually with a sequential switcher can the overdrive be safely engaged in the low gears to create intermediate ratios, just assuming I wanted to try them out would it be safe to engage overdrive in 1st or 2nd gear.


2, is it ok to use raw 12 volts switched via ground, or do these solenoids require some current limiting measures like a line resistor to emulate how the ECU controls them. The reason I ask this is that someone suggested that the ECU might pulse the ground switching to limit the constant current through the active solenoids after they have engaged.


3, ok getting optimistic now, assuming for example 3rd gear required just number 3 solenoid “on” and the change to 4th gear requires numbers 3+4 “on”, should I time in a few milliseconds “off” interval for number 3 or just keep it switched “on” and bring in number 4. It would be easier to have an off period for 3 and then bring in 3+4 but maybe it would need to stay on for a smooth change.


Any help or guidance with any part above is appreciated, I may end up just buying a propriety shift controller, but where’s the fun in that, also I want to fully understand the electronic control process if things go wrong with it.



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Welcome to this forum! There are stand alone controllers for the 4R70W, and the 5R55S to operate in a vehicle without a computer, but I don't know if anybody makes a controller to manually shift this transmission. The EPC, and TCC solenoids are modulated, and are not on/off solenoids like their predecessors. They use inductive signature to tell the computer if they are doing what they were commanded to do.
 






Thanks for the welcome and the info on modulation. That’s the first time anyone has been able to confirm that.

Hopefully when the 4R44E manual arrives it will have some explanation on that. I’ve gone off the 5R55E idea since wading through the Project Frankentranny thread, which is a sticky in this transmission section. It seems like the 5R is really just a 5 speed by using the overdrive to create an extra gear just as I was planning to do. (Amazing project thread by the way)

Right so long as I am in control of the gearbox via a paddle shifter it does not matter that the engine management is not getting any feed back as it will have a megasquirt fuel injection controller on it anyway. I think I will have to get a hold of some spare solenoids and stick 12 volts on them to see if they can take constant voltage without any modulation. I’ll still need the control sequence if anyone has a manual with it explained, or a pdf file link.


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I’m trying to get a handle on how the transmission controller senses the need to operate the EPC solenoid, it can monitor the current required to operate it and any electrical faults but I don’t see an electronic oil pressure sensor anywhere.

So how does this device work, does it pull in during gear changes to give a boost and smooth the changes, or what? Seems like the valve body already has pressure release mechanisms built in.

Below is am extract of the transmission control and sensor descriptions but it basically just states it controls line pressure, but how does it sense it. Can it be as basic as how much current is required to pull it in, or hold it on against the pressure?

As always any help appreciated, I’m on a steep learning curve here.


ELECTRONIC PRESSURE CONTROL (EPC) Solenoid
The hydraulic pressure required by the actuators, clutches and brake bands is provided by a transmission fluid pump mounted on the input shaft. The line pressure in the system is controlled by the PCM using a duty-cycled variable-force solenoid, the EPC.
The EPC has a feedback circuit in the PCM that controls the EPC current. If this current indicates a short to ground then engine torque may be reduced to prevent damage to the transmission.

P1747 Pressure Control Solenoid Short Circuit
Remaining faults include a faulty solenoid itself (P1745 and/or P1748), or a faulty connection to the solenoid, P1746.
In all these cases owner action is limited to seeking an autobox specialist, provided that the other checks mentioned at the beginning have already been carried out.




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One analogy is like a power window or sliding door feedback control circuit if it detects a stall condition. The control current draw will change with physical resistance. This will get detected by a control module, and cause it to stop moving or reverse. Apply this logic to the EPC circuitry. The computer commands the EPC to maintain a specific amount of pressure, and various things will either cause this pressure to bleed off causing the EPC to work harder or a blockage condition will occur which will cause it to detect pressure without any relief. These things will change its PWM curve, and send a signal back to the controller accordingly. Check these links for more information:
http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175065
http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174202
 






Thanks Brooklyn, I’m beginning to feel like your apprentice.

That lot will keep me busy reading tonight, this EPC solenoid will be a bigger problem than the shift commands.

I also noticed a nice logic table for solenoids in a link in the second thread, it’s a bit fuzzy but I think it’s from a manual that I have on order anyway. I would have found it “eventually” as I am averaging one rebuild diary per night now, jeez it’s like being back in high school.

Thanks and keep them coming if you think of any other specific old threads to point out.


Cheers


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Manual transmission controls

Hi,

Manual controlling of transmission see http://www.arenscontrols.com

Would like to tap into either the PCM or direct to the solenoids responsible for trans. temp and pressure, electrically.
ORG/BLK to PCM could be TFT sensor for temperature sending.
WH/YEL= pressure control- A, LB/PK= pressure control- B, WH= pressure control- C.
On the 5R55W there is rumored to be a pressure test port on the driver's side behind the shift linkage for a hose/gauge.
 






All FORD transmissions have test ports as you describe. Newer ones (including the W) have numerous ones for various circuits. You could put a pressure transducer in one if you wanted... but the modulation is a computer idea that I do not think you could easily replicate for the EPC and TCC solenoids.
 






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