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I read somewhere, to put it in persective, they have to build cars until wednesday just to pay for employee healthcare. The rest of the week is all other expenses-payroll-profit
 






I know in the mid 90s the Taurus cost about $3500 to build, but Ford sold them for something like $12-18k.
 






Here's a reprint of the original article:
Ford slashes 4Q production.
The automaker will cut vehicle production by 21% in the last three months of the year. With gas prices at $3, the company will lower the number of pickups, and truck-based SUVs coming off the assembly line.

Ford Motor announced this morning it is slashing production by 21% in an effort to turn around its automotive business.

Ford, which lost more than $1.4 billion in the first half of the year, will cut fourth-quarter production by 168,000 vehicles. The majority of the cuts are coming in truck models – a move that Ford says reflects falling demand for light pickup trucks and truck-based sport utility vehicles in a time of high gas prices.

The company will also cut third-quarter production, already planned down, by an additional 20,000 units.

"We know this decision will have a dramatic impact on our employees, as well as our suppliers," CEO Bill Ford said in a statement. "This is, however, the right call for our customers, our dealers and our long-term future."

Ford plans to cut 6,000 salaried jobs next month, about 6% of the white-collar workforce, Bloomberg News reported today, citing a person with knowledge of the plan. Those cuts would be in addition to 30,000 job cuts planned by 2012.

The company said full details of additional turnaround actions will be announced in September. Ford, facing higher costs and a loss of market share, revised its second-quarter loss up to $254 million on Aug. 2.

Wall Street is unimpressed.
The stock market usually applauds radical cost cutting moves for money-losing companies, but shares of Ford fell more than 3% in morning trading.

It is probably the magnitude of the cuts, which are "very drastic," that is spooking investors, John Stoll, automotive reporter at Dow Jones Newswires, told CNBC's "Morning Call."

In addition, the company's reduced production of high-profit pickup trucks -- coming at a time when Ford is losing so much money -- is also a concern, Stoll said.
 






This sounds really bad. I heard that they are closing the Louisville plant where my Explorer was built. Strange, during the '90's Ford was booming, especially with trucks and SUV's. Maybe they lost their insight and gave away the sedan and minivan markets to Toyota, Honda and Nissan.

I fear that this may mean the end of our beloved Explorers.


Bob
 






Yep,

Louisville Assy Plant - Explorer shut down for 6 weeks
Kentucky Truck Plant - F250 & Super Duties shut down for 5 weeks

The thing I find very desturbing is the UAW. About 6 months ago they just changed from a 4day-10 hour week to 5day-8 hour week both 40 hours. The big catch is union pays ovetime for anything over 8 hrs, they "lost" 8 hrs overtime? I wish I could work 40 hours and get paid for 48.

From my experience, unions protect the lazy. We could be in the middle of a important step in a project and they would just drop everthing and take lunch.
 






They are closing the F-150 plant here in Norfolk as well. They(FordMoCo) told the workers they may close early. They were not suppose to close until 08 sometime but the UAW contract is up in 07 so you can do the math. I feel sorry for those guys. I remember when it was a cool thing to be working there. On the other hand, Toyota was looking to build here but don't know what happened with that.
 






It's strange. One of the local Ford dealers just finished building a HUGE indoor warehouse, and *appears* to be doing very well. Then again they always have plenty of Explorers and F-150's on the lot, so maybe they aren't getting any sold. I'm sure it is hugely market dependent and local sales don't show a good picture of how the company as a whole is doing.

I think it's just a bad time to buy ANY car if you don't absolutely have to. It's gonna be probably a good 5 years before we start to have any idea of where things are going, what fuels will be out there, etc. I'd hate to have a 5 year old car and then see a trend to alternate fuels really pick up. And I don't think anyone knows if that will be Ethanol, bio-diesel, or what. More likely a mix of a lot of things ... making decisions even more difficult.
 






I had the chance to pick up a Contour that ran on gas and CNG for 1300 bucks. Problem is, I don't know where to get CNG.
 






You might be able to refill it from your natural gas supply at home. I'm not sure what kind of fittings are required. Do you have an owner's manual, or repair manual that shows how to refill it? What year is it? Maybe you could post a picture of the fitting on your CNG tank? By the way, where is that tank located?
 






Wow! I'd probably have bought it and figured out the rest later!
 






BrooklynBay said:
You might be able to refill it from your natural gas supply at home. I'm not sure what kind of fittings are required. Do you have an owner's manual, or repair manual that shows how to refill it? What year is it? Maybe you could post a picture of the fitting on your CNG tank? By the way, where is that tank located?
Key word is had. I chickened out. I was afraid to get it and end up being more trouble than its worth. Probably a mistake but oh well.
 






These systems are pretty common in Europe. Some companies offer conversion kits. The most common kits are similar to a carburetor, but they do make systems that run on gasoline, or CPG with fuel injection.
 






BrooklynBay said:
You might be able to refill it from your natural gas supply at home. I'm not sure what kind of fittings are required. Do you have an owner's manual, or repair manual that shows how to refill it? What year is it? Maybe you could post a picture of the fitting on your CNG tank? By the way, where is that tank located?


Fittings are the least of the problem. You need to compress the natural gas to fill the tanks. Natural gas feeds to the home are very low pressure. When the gas company fixed a leaky feeder pipe to my house, they cut a section out of the pipe (outdoors) and just temporarily plugged the gas flow with a rag, while they snaked a plastic tubing liner into the pipe.



Bob
 






rizzjc said:
I think it's just a bad time to buy ANY car if you don't absolutely have to. It's gonna be probably a good 5 years before we start to have any idea of where things are going, what fuels will be out there, etc. I'd hate to have a 5 year old car and then see a trend to alternate fuels really pick up. And I don't think anyone knows if that will be Ethanol, bio-diesel, or what. More likely a mix of a lot of things ... making decisions even more difficult.

Good point. Since my Explorer is pretty old, I've been shopping for a second vehicle, but its hard to tell where the market is going. Even with Ford, there are a lot of changes coming in 2007/2008 like:

New Fairlane CUV, replacing the Windstar (when?)
New Edge (2007 MY)
New 3.5L V6 and 6-speed trans for the Freestyle (2008 MY).
New 5-speed trans for Escape (when?)
Explorer, who knows?
Bronco concept, probably never.

Bob
 






moose1 said:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CNBC/Dispatch/060818ford.aspx?GT1=8472


I dont understand why they dont lower the damn prices of there vehicles, I mean jees, it seems they rather loose money than sell auto's, how much could a ford explorer cost to make as apposed to the selling cost.

it's an interesting situation. If they're like most companies they borrow money to buy the materials to build the cars. If the interest rates go up between the booking and the building they lose money. McDonnell - Douglas got themselves into this arrangement in the eighties. They actually figured out a way to lose money everytime they built an airplane or took an order. Got to love those MBAs! :confused:
 






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