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the most inporatant part

nitrogen doesnt oxidize so it won t eat at your rims like compressed air will alimuniun pit steel rusts and chrome plating will peel :thumbsup:
 






Another benefit of using N2 in tires is increased gas mileage ( a subject near and dear to my heart ).

N2 decreased tire heat and therefore rolling resistance.

Filling my tires with N2 is on my list of mileage boosters to try.
 






pipesmash said:
nitrogen doesnt oxidize so it won t eat at your rims like compressed air will alimuniun pit steel rusts and chrome plating will peel :thumbsup:

with the air around us composed of about 21% Oxygen (per volume) and without the use of an Oxygen reactant or a vacuum, there's a good chance that there will always be Oxygen present inside the tire...
 






IZwack said:
with the air around us composed of about 21% Oxygen (per volume) and without the use of an Oxygen reactant or a vacuum, there's a good chance that there will always be Oxygen present inside the tire...

How so if the tires are purged of air ( with N2 ) and the tire pressure ( psig ) is grater than ambient?
 






aldive said:
How so if the tires are purged

How do they purge the tire of ambient air? Do they put the tire inside a vacuum chamber and then fill? Setting the wheel in the tire and filling the tire with N2 in ambient air will guarantee that there will still be Oxygen (and other gasses other than N2) inside the tire.

I dont know cauz I've never done N2 filled tires but removing all gasses from inside a tire is an interesting idea (that i've obviously have never seen) - with the atmopshere pressing, on average (at sea-level), just a tid bit over 14 and a half pounds per square inch, would an average (non agressive - no thick sidewalls) tire collapse in on itself at that pressure? or maybe the bead would probably pop inwards beforehand because i think the bead-tire lip (without locks) is designed to only support pressure from within the tire.
 






I use a 78% concentration of N2, works great, to die for:)
 






aldive said:
Another benefit of using N2 in tires is increased gas mileage ( a subject near and dear to my heart ).

N2 decreased tire heat and therefore rolling resistance.

Filling my tires with N2 is on my list of mileage boosters to try.


You'll only get increased gas miliage if you routinely let your tires get under-inflated. If you are meticulous about vehicle maintence, and always keep an eye on your tire pressure, N2 won't change anything, as the cross section of tire hitting the road will be the same.
 






I heard that Costco and some other places are just putting the green caps on the stems and telling the customers have nitro in their tires. I believe, so this is only my opinion, Nitrogen is only good for use in extreme heats (i.e.: drag strip, nascar, etc.) and not daily interstate driving. Just my opinion and a few of drag strip guys opinions.

-Drew
 






we used to use N2 all the time in pressure testing HVAC lines. Lets say you pressurized two identical pipes, one with air the other NC both to 100psi at 65 deg F. in the ambient air temp. Then it climbs to 100 deg. F later in the day. The one with air will expand more and thus give a higher pressure reading then the one with the N2. So this would give you a more stable tire press. reading up and down the scale
 






ExplorerDMB said:
I heard that Costco and some other places are just putting the green caps on the stems and telling the customers have nitro in their tires. I believe, so this is only my opinion, Nitrogen is only good for use in extreme heats (i.e.: drag strip, nascar, etc.) and not daily interstate driving. Just my opinion and a few of drag strip guys opinions.

-Drew
I have been out of drag racing for many years, but yes when your dealing with such low press. like 8 to 10 pounds, a 1/2 to 1 pound diff could be the determing factor if you put your wailer back on the trailer. We used to always put a reflective cover on the tire facing the sun. Before they had bead locks we used to sheetmetal screw the rim to the tire. I just don't see how it could make such a difference on a daily driver. Just check your air pressure

The cover was pit use only
 






rookieshooter said:
we used to use N2 all the time in pressure testing HVAC lines. Lets say you pressurized two identical pipes, one with air the other NC both to 100psi at 65 deg F. in the ambient air temp. Then it climbs to 100 deg. F later in the day. The one with air will expand more and thus give a higher pressure reading then the one with the N2. So this would give you a more stable tire press. reading up and down the scale
Rookie what you say is 100% true, have you tried running 78% nitrogen in your tires, it really works :D
 






No, but now that I have a part time job delivering medical supplies with my 97XLT and putting a lot of miles on it and how you believe in it. I am going to give it a try. I even still have a tank of it in the basement.
 






rookieshooter said:
Lets say you pressurized two identical pipes, one with air the other NC both to 100psi at 65 deg F. in the ambient air temp. Then it climbs to 100 deg. F later in the day. The one with air will expand more and thus give a higher pressure reading then the one with the N2. So this would give you a more stable tire press. reading up and down the scale

Agreed!

May I ask: wouldnt a higher pressure tire equate to lower rolling resistance? I mean a solid rubber tire will outroll an air-tire any day due to less deformation as the rubber is pushed against the road under the weight of the car.

if an air tire increases in PSI as the temps increases, wouldnt it roll better at high temps/speeds than a more stable N2 filled tire? Of course there would probably be less rubber in contact with the road which would lead to uneven tire wear (and probably a decrease in traction off the line and when going around turns)

Maybe what we should really be doing is putting solid rubber tires on our cars ;)
 






IZwack said:
Agreed!

May I ask: wouldnt a higher pressure tire equate to lower rolling resistance? I mean a solid rubber tire will outroll an air-tire any day due to less deformation as the rubber is pushed against the road under the weight of the car.

if an air tire increases in PSI as the temps increases, wouldnt it roll better at high temps than a more stable N2 filled tire? Of course there would probably be less rubber in contact with the road which would lead to uneven tire wear (and probably a decrease in traction off the line and when going around turns)

Maybe what we should really be doing is putting solid rubber tires on our cars ;)
Thats interesting you said that. In my old racing days that is exactly what we did to the front tires...over inflate for less rolling resistance and also to set the tires at such an angle to run of the edge. But what I'm getting out of this is that the steady pressure will give longer tire life.
 






rookieshooter said:
But what I'm getting out of this is that the steady pressure will give longer tire life.

Ah yes good point!
 






Take today for example, I started my 7 hour run most of it driving. This morning I had 32# press. Tommorrow I most likly will have again 32#, But giving this N2 some thought, I can see where it could help in the long run. With that said lets take today in real time. 32# in morn before run 65 deg, later this day it got to 95 driving thru the town of Winchester Va. so now the press in the tire is no dought higer due to the expansion of air in the tire and that not counting the heat build up due to driving at 70mph. So now the tire is riding more on its center then haveing a good foor print. If you really want to get technical the tire facing the sun will pick up radiant heat and will even expand more then the shaded side. You can see where I'm going with this, so when I check air press tommorow morning befor the run it will say 32# cold. But in reality the pressures were up and down. I can now see that over the long haul with N2 you could expect better tire life, how that equates to Mpg I dont know
 






rookieshooter said:
I can now see that over the long haul with N2 you could expect better tire life, how that equates to Mpg I dont know

Adhesion effect i think part of the focus... when tires get warmer, the tire material begins to soften up a bit which increases rolling reistance and traction - i guess why race tires have to be 'warmed up'. So I guess if your able to keep ur tires cool, it would have less rolling resistance.

Here's a great response from Eng-Tips.com about this topic:

The question about nitrogen in tires has come up in other lists on the web as well. Let me clarrify a few points.

1. Air is 78% nitrogen, N2, and 21% oxygen, O2. So even if you put air in the tire, it's already 78% nitrogen. Many of the so called nitrogen generators don't produce much more than 90% nitrogen.

2. At relatively low pressures (ie tire pressures) N2, O2 and water vapor will all behave as ideal gases, and follow PV=nRT. Pressure will increase or decrease to the same extent as the temperature increases or decreases regardless of which gas is in the tire. (Even at 300 psi, which is about 20 atm, there is little deviation from ideality.) Therefore the comments about N2 not changing in pressure as the temperature changes are without merit.

3. The rate of effusion (or diffusion) of a gas through a porous membrane depends on the molar mass and to some degree on the molecular diameter. N2 and O2 are almost the same size and N2 is lighter than O2 (28 g/mol vs 32 g/mol) so if either gas were to effuse out of the tire, nitrogen would do it more quickly. Luckily, tires are designed not to be porous membranes.

4. N2 and O2 both have essentially the same specific heat capacity, about 1.0 J/gK, and thermal conductivity, about 0.00026 W/cmK. Water vapor has a specific heat capacity of about 2 J/gK. But remember, water vapor will constitute less than 1% of the air in the tire. So the idea that N2 has different heat handling properties is also without merit.

5. The ozone, O3, in the atmosphere, which is a ground level pollutant, will do a great deal more damage to your tires than the O2 inside the tire. For instance, don't leave a condom out in the air in Los Angeles for a few days. It will develop lots of tiny holes and weaken.

spdracer22 says that dry air is preferably to air with a lot of water vapor. As a tire heats up, the very small amount of H2O present will be in the vapor state which may contribute to the overall pressure very slightly.

Several have suggested that N2 in a high pressure tank is more portable and requires no electricity. That would make sense, particularly for aircraft tires.

I find no reason to believe that N2 is going to produce a "better ride" or "better handling".

The bottom line is that for general passenger car tires or truck tires there is nothing to be gained (other than portability) by using nitrogen rather than air. The biggest gain will be $$$ by the companies that sell nitrogen handling equipment and the tire merchants that appeal to ignorant customers. And who is the biggest loser? Yep, the consumer.

here's the link:
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=120996&page=1
 






I guess that 78% throws a monkey wrench in everthing. When we did the testing on pipes it was 100% N2 and it really did hold steadier pressures then air. I would love to see someone for a year run one front tire on N2 that being sold to drivers and the other front tire just plain old air.

Just thought of something, I'm not selling the N2 thing but when they say 78% N2 that means if I'm thinking right, This means the 78% Is 100% N2 so its not the same as all air in the tire. Its only 22% air. which 78% is N2 Now I'm totally confused. :confused:
 



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rookieshooter said:
I guess that 78% throws a monkey wrench in everthing. When we did the testing on pipes it was 100% N2 and it really did hold steadier pressures then air. I would love to see someone for a year run one front tire on N2 that being sold to drivers and the other front tire just plain old air.

Just thought of something, I'm not selling the N2 thing but when they say 78% N2 that means if I'm thinking right, This means the 78% Is 100% N2 so its not the same as all air in the tire. Its only 22% air. which 78% is N2 Now I'm totally confused. :confused:
Rookie, was just pullin some chains, the air you breath, the air you normally use to fill your tires, is 78% nitrogen, just common everyday air
 






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