Oil analysis data repository

[aldive]

This threas will be a location to post your oil analysis data, both VOA and UOA data.

It will be much easier to locate the data in one thread.

If you have oil analysis data spread out within the site, please post a link to the location of the data here.

 

[aldive]

Smiley1 has data at http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132449&highlight=oil+analysis

 

[aldive]

I have VOA data on Amsoil Series 2000 oW30 at http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129359&highlight=oil+analysis

 

[aldive]

I have some extended use UOA data at http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68466&highlight=oil+analysis

 

[aldive]

The data presented below is from my '99 SOHC with Amsoil Bypass filtration. The oil used is Amsoil Series 2000 9W30 ( Dead Link Removed ). The mileage on the oil is 5120.

The analysis was by Blackstone Labs ( Dead Link Removed )

The first columnrepresents virgin oil, the second is this sample and the last represents an average of data collected for this type motor.

Aluminum 0 2 5
Chromium 0 1 1
Iron 2 8 16
Copper 0 5 6
Lead 0 2 4
Zinc 0 1 1
Molybdenum 0 4 43
Nickel 0 0 0
Manganese 0 0 1
Silver 0 0 0
Titanium 0 0 0
Potassium 0 0 2
Boron 64 31 47
Silicon 4 5 9
Sodium 0 1 18
Calcium 1722 2054 2039
Magnesium 598 751 202
Phosphorus 822 935 748
Zinc 958 1081 893
Barium 0 0 1

TBN 12.0 4.9

Blackstone's comments: The wear metals look much better in this sample compared to last time, and all wear is now reading at or below the universal averages for this type engine. The TBN was 4.9, showing plenty of active additive remaining (a TBN of 1.0 is low). The particle count's ISO cleanliness code was 19/18/15, clean for an engine oil. We found a trace of water (not antifreeze), which could be from condensation, especially if the sample was taken before the engine was up to operating temperature. Suggest running this oil another 4,000 miles and resample to monitor.

 

[aldive]

The particle count analysis data ( from the UOA posted above ):

>=2 microns - 6413
>=5 microns - 2376
>=10 microns - 657
>=15 microns - 254
>=25 microns - 60
>=50 microns - 5
>=100 microns - 0

 

[Rhett]

Good idea; I will post my latest analysis as soon as I get it from Blackstone; And as soon as I figure out how to post that data...never have figured out how you guys do that.

And Blackstone sent me 4 new plastic analysis containers, but they didn't send me my actual oil analysis! What gives? Last time, I think they sent it all to me at once.

 

[Rhett]

my 1/13/04 oil analysis

I will present two Blackstone Labs analyses: This post reports the January 13, 2004 analysis. I will keep it in about the same format as al's report.

The data presented below is from my '94 OHV. The oil used is Amsoil 10W30. The mileage on the oil was exactly 4000 miles.

The analysis was by Blackstone Labs ( Dead Link Removed )

The first column is my sample and the second column represents an average of data collected for this type motor.

Aluminum my truck: 4 average 94 OHV: 6
Chromium 1 2
Iron 12 22
Copper 6 7
Lead 6 9
Tin 0 1
Molybdenum 3 8
Nickel 0 1
Manganese 0 1
Silver 0 0
Titanium 0 0
Potassium 0 10
Boron 21 20
Silicon 9 10
Sodium 4 7
Calcium 2269 2281
Magnesium 707 751
Phosphorus 905 945
Zinc 1145 1146
Barium 0 0

TBN: 3.7 (I think it starts at 12 with virgin oil (??))

Viscosity @ 210degF My truck: 69.5 Typical Amsoil 10W-30: 58-66
Flashpoint in degF 410 >370
Fuel% <0.5 <1.0
Antifreeze% 0.0 0.0
Water% 0.0 <0.1
Insolubles% 0.5 <0.6

Blackstone's comments: The TBN for this oil was 3.7, so it's been significantly reduced in the 4,000 miles you have used the oil, but there is still active additive left. Universal averages show typical wear metals for an oil from this type of engine after about 4,140 miles run on the oil. Your oil was just short of that, and we found all wear at around average levels and in the correct balance to show normal mechanical parts inside. Air and oil filtration look okay. The viscosity was high for a 10W/30 oil. No gas or anti-freeze found. Try 5,000 miles for the next sample. Wear should remain normal.

 

[Rhett]

My next oil analysis was done after 8,000 miles on the oil. I decided to DOUBLE the mileage I put on the oil, to see how things went...I'll post those results tomorrow or the next day..

 

[exgmman]

Tried used oil analysis on my f-150:
2000 F-150, 4.6 litre engine.
Oil is Ultramar "extreme 100% synthetic" (yeah, I know, not PAO)
Kms on engine: 95987
kms on oil: 5001

Fe 7
Cr 0
Mo 8
Al 2
Cu 1
Pb 1
Sn 0
Si 13
Na 3
Zn 639
K 1
Ni 0
Ag 0

No numbers for TBN or oxydation were given.
This test cost me $16 plus tax, hard to say if it was worth it

 

[85Dave]

Al, what was the viscosity on your sample?

 

[aldive]

No numbers for TBN or oxydation were given.
This test cost me $16 plus tax, hard to say if it was worth it

If the numbers you reported is all you got from the lab, I would say to use another lab next time.

I personally feel that a TBN is essential from an analysis.

Thanks for reporting your data.

 

[aldive]

Al, what was the viscosity on your sample?

Viscosity @ 210degF: 62.5 Typical Amsoil 0W-30: 56-64
Flashpoint in degF 410 >395
Fuel% <0.5
Antifreeze% 0.0
Water% Tr ( due to sample taken cold )
Insolubles% 0.3

Sorry, I neglected to report this earlier.

 

[Rhett]

I still wonder why my viscosity was so high (my oil's viscosity tested at 69, normal range is 58-66) What affects the viscosity reading?

 

[85Dave]

Some of the older Amsoil formulations were known for thickening up over time. I don't know if they have addressed that problem with the newer formulations. Al's did just fine. The thickening doesn't affect protection to the engine, just costs a little in fuel mileage.

 

[Rhett]

I have never heard that before about Amsoil. But based on the data, one conclusion you could draw is that the oil did indeed thicken over time...

 

[Rhett]

In keeping with my promise, here is the second oil analysis I had done. This was done on April 26, 2005.

The data presented below is from my '94 OHV. The oil used is Amsoil 10W30. The mileage on the oil was exactly 8,054 miles. NOTE that this is TWICE the mileage I put on the last AMSOIL sample. I actually intended to only go 6,000 miles but things got away from me.

The analysis was by Blackstone Labs ( Dead Link Removed )

The first column is my sample and the second column represents an average of data collected for this type motor.
My oil @ 8000 mi average 94 OHV's oil
Aluminum 8 6
Chomium 2 2
Iron 31 22
Copper 8 7
Lead 12 9
Tin 2 1
Molybdenum 12 8
Nickel 1 1
Manganese 1 1
Silver 0 0
Titanium 0 0
Potassium 20 10
Boron 19 20
Sodium 10 7
Calcium 2292 2281
Magnesium 795 751
Phosphorus 985 945
Zinc 1147 1146
Barium 0 0

TBN was 2.1

Viscosity 79.1 58-66
Flashpoint 380 >370
%Fuel <0.5 <1.0
%Antifreeze ? 0
%Water <0.1 0.0
%Insolubles 0.6 <0.6

Blackstone Lab's Comments: We were surprised to find a little potassium and sodium in this sample. Unless you've been using Red Line or some kind of additive that contains these elements, we think you're getting a little coolant in the oil. This level is not normally enough to hurt anything, but lead, from your bearings, read higher this sample, too, so we think the coolant is doing some damage. The TBN read 2.1, showing active additive remaining, but we would not advise running more miles until you fix the problem. Suggest running 3000-4000 miles to monitor.


All right, further comments, anyone?? I'm all ears...

 

[hermitrl]

Man--I presently have 18000kms on my oil. I wonder what an analyses would show? the engine now has 251000ks on it.

 

[Lee S.]

Rhett:

Just curious if you ran the same filter the entire 8000 miles. Your #'s are higher in all categories vs your 4000 mile #'s. Aren't mid stream filter changes recommended with the newer extended life oils? Maybe the filter is at least partially to blame. Probably the only way to confirm this is to give them one more 8000 mile sample that had a filter change at 4000.

Why didn't they give you an antifreeze #...seems kind of odd since the summary indicates a possible coolant problem?

I still don't understand the viscosity #'s though. I'll continue to watch this thread with interest. BTW...thanks for posting and helping to educate me.


Lee

 

[85Dave]

The metal wear numbers look OK to me. Remember, this oil was in service for 8000 miles. So the wear numbers will be higher than the averages. Averages are usually based on a 4000-4500 mile interval. I agree that the Na and K might be a cause for concern. Na and K usually come from coolant. Has your coolant level dropped any? Just something to watch for. I disagree with Blackstone's comments the coolant is damaging the bearings. On a per 1000 mile basis, your wear was actually lower than the averages. Your interval was twice as along, but the wear wasn't twice as much.

This sample thickened well beyond a 30 weight. It is now a "thick" 40 weight. As I mentioned above, the higher viscosity doesn't seem to affect wear. It just costs some fuel economy. Typical for certain Amsoil formulations.