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I just had a little actual test with current explorers 4WD. I have 4 plastic ramps to put under the wheels to drive on to raise the whole vehicle to get under the car to do something like oil change. So I put those ramps against all wheels and drive on, guess what, front ramps were dragged under the wheels and rears just slid on the ground with the vehicle like the park brake would be on. Then I thought, I'm in the front wheel mode (normal mode), that's why it doesn't drive on and drags rear wheels. I put it in the sand mode, read somewhere that it's the very aggressive AWD, and guess what again, same thing as in the normal mode, front claimed up and rears just dragged on the floor pushing the ramps away, just with more aggressive throttle. And I tried several times, tried even with backing up and getting a little bit of speed before the ramps - couldn't get up there. Now I thought, forget about any rougher offroad with this "4WD", can't even come up the ramps in my garage... Until I tried the mud mode, vehicle claimed up with all 4 wheels in first try with out any problems! Tried again later just to see of it was only one off, went up with all 4 no problem. So here is my experience with explorers 4WD ;)

I've found the mud/rut mode best for pulling a boat out of a landing. I attributed it to staying in the lower gears longer but it might be the better distribution of power to the rear.
 



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Intelligent 4WD & Terrain Management System

I have been Building & Pricing a 2016 Explorer Limited, I did not have the option to choose: (a) Intelligent 4WD or (b) Terrain Management System, I assumed it came with Intelligent 4WD with Terrain Management.

Reading the brochure, it seems Terrain Management is only available with the Eco-Boost option, is this true? Therefore, it appears if you order a Limited with the V6 non- Eco-Boost you will receive an Intelligent 4WD but without the Terrain Management Knob, is this true ??

Regards, Ken
 






I have been Building & Pricing a 2016 Explorer Limited, I did not have the option to choose: (a) Intelligent 4WD or (b) Terrain Management System, I assumed it came with Intelligent 4WD with Terrain Management.

Reading the brochure, it seems Terrain Management is only available with the Eco-Boost option, is this true? Therefore, it appears if you order a Limited with the V6 non- Eco-Boost you will receive an Intelligent 4WD but without the Terrain Management Knob, is this true ??

Regards, Ken

Terrain management is on all 4WD Explorers.
 






I have been Building & Pricing a 2016 Explorer Limited, I did not have the option to choose: (a) Intelligent 4WD or (b) Terrain Management System, I assumed it came with Intelligent 4WD with Terrain Management.

Reading the brochure, it seems Terrain Management is only available with the Eco-Boost option, is this true? Therefore, it appears if you order a Limited with the V6 non- Eco-Boost you will receive an Intelligent 4WD but without the Terrain Management Knob, is this true ??

Regards, Ken
Welcome to the Forum.:wavey:
All Explorers shown having 4WD, which is actually AWD, have what is referred to as Intelligent 4WD. There is no other. Having 4WD automatically includes the Terrain Management System (TMS). TMS is not a selectable option nor is Intelligent 4WD. Hope that helps Ken.

Peter
 






4WD Intelligent & Terrain Management

Thanks Peter,

I assumed this was the case but I was trying to find the proof in the Brochures.

Thanks again, ordering one this week !

Regards, Ken
 






Not trying to hijack this thread, but since we have gotten into the discussion about the Terrain Management System (TMS), how does the hill descent control work? I have tried it on a hill, and it holds the car from rolling down the hill very well, but is it engine braking, or is it wheel braking? The hill to our home becomes very icy in the winter, and my wife is afraid to descent the hill under certain conditions. I have to walk up the hill, and then drive her car to the bottom. She went off the road once, and that was enough to scare her. It is tree lined right up to the edge of the road, and if you go off, you can do a lot of damage quickly. I know to turn into the direction the car is sliding, but to most, that is counter intuitive.
 






Tms

There are many things that cannot be cured by technology !
 






Not trying to hijack this thread, but since we have gotten into the discussion about the Terrain Management System (TMS), how does the hill descent control work? I have tried it on a hill, and it holds the car from rolling down the hill very well, but is it engine braking, or is it wheel braking? The hill to our home becomes very icy in the winter, and my wife is afraid to descent the hill under certain conditions. I have to walk up the hill, and then drive her car to the bottom. She went off the road once, and that was enough to scare her. It is tree lined right up to the edge of the road, and if you go off, you can do a lot of damage quickly. I know to turn into the direction the car is sliding, but to most, that is counter intuitive.
It uses the brakes. I have seen videos of it in use and you can see times where the wheels are locked while the vehicle descends. The video linked here pretty much says what is in the Owner's Manual and also states it will not work on icy conditions.
http://owner.ford.com/how-tos/vehicle-features/load-and-terrain/hill-descent-control.html

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...D35EB82A580EC576D09CD35EB82A580EC5&FORM=VIRE5

Peter
 






true 4x4

The new explorer just like the new jeep patriots are called 4x4 but are not. there is no transfer case to go from hi range to low range. If you are looking to do true offroading this is not the vehicle for you. If you are going to the ski resort this should get you there. No skid plates means damage. this has variable traction control awd if you know you are going into snow you can preset it for that mud also. If you want to tiptoe over rocks going to that old ghost town this isn't the vehicle for it.
 






The new explorer just like the new jeep patriots are called 4x4 but are not. there is no transfer case to go from hi range to low range. If you are looking to do true offroading this is not the vehicle for you. If you are going to the ski resort this should get you there. No skid plates means damage. this has variable traction control awd if you know you are going into snow you can preset it for that mud also. If you want to tiptoe over rocks going to that old ghost town this isn't the vehicle for it.
Actually the new Explorer is referred to incorrectly as 4WD instead of AWD. No literature I've read has called it a 4X4.

Peter
 






The ads online still refer to the Explorer as 4x4 and some even have 4x4 emblems on the rear hatch. Jeep does the same thing .
 






The ads online still refer to the Explorer as 4x4 and some even have 4x4 emblems on the rear hatch. Jeep does the same thing .
Have yet to see the 4X4 on the hatch. All those that come from the factory and I've seen including my previous one have a 4WD emblem. If you see one with a 4X4 emblem it was likely put on by the owner or they are a pre 2011 model.

Peter
 

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still says 4WD not like the true AWD it is
 






Is Your 4WD Vehicle Really 4WD?
December 4, 2008 • 20 Comment • Auto Industry, Eric Peters, Tips

By Eric Peters, Automotive Columnist

It says “4WD” on the tailgate — and there it is again on the list of standard or optionally available equipment. But is it really four-wheel-drive? Or just all-wheel-drive pretending to be something more than it really is?

Increasingly, it’s the latter — most notably when it comes to the ever-growing ranks of so-called “crossover” vehicles and compact SUVs. Examples of this category of vehicle include models like the Ford Escape, Volvo XC90 and Honda Element.

These popular vehicles combine the appearance and stance (including ride height) of an SUV but handle and drive more like cars — because they are typically built around passenger vehicle platforms. They usually come with front-wheel-drive standard and some sort of all-wheel-drive system available as an extra-cost option.

But AWD is not the same thing as 4WD — and it’s arguably false advertising to lead people to believe otherwise.

Each system works differently and offers different levels of capability.

4WD used to be synonymous with a drive system in which the engine’s power is (or can be) transmitted to all four wheels through a two-speed transfer case and drive axles. The transfer case’s main function is to provide a gear reduction feature and the ability to shift the vehicle into 4WD Low range. 4WD Low range is designed for severe conditions such as pulling through heavy, unplowed snow or mud, or slowly climbing up (or inching down) a backwoods hunting trail.

An AWD system also transmits engine power to all four wheels — and will also give the vehicle a better grip on the road in inclement weather than a front-wheel-drive (or rear-wheel-drive only) vehicle. But an AWD-equipped vehicle lacks the two-speed transfer case that is the defining feature of a heavy-duty 4WD system. This means there is no 4WD Low range for deep snow/mud and uneven terrain.

And that means you should probably keep the vehicle on paved roads — no matter how much it may look like a burly SUV on the outside.

Another key difference between 4WD and the AWD systems used in many of today’s “crossovers” is that the AWD systems are heavily biased toward the front wheels.

Under normal driving, usually upwards of 90 pecent of the engine’s power goes to the ground through the front wheels — so most of the time, you are driving, in effect, a front-wheel-drive vehicle. When the front wheels begin to slip, some engine power then flows to the rear wheels via a device known as a viscous coupling. But the “default setting” in the typical AWD system is front-wheel-drive — just like the front-drive passenger cars they’re descended from.

In contrast, a 4WD system is typically based on a RWD layout and usually transmits almost 100 percent of the engine’s power to the rear wheels (the “default mode”) until and unless the setting is changed from 2WD High to 4WD High (or 4WD Low). When 4WD (High or Low) is engaged, the power split between front and rear wheels is also closer to 50-50, as opposed to the (typically) front-dominant AWD system, which usually sends most of the engine’s power to the front wheels.

These functional and design differences betray the different origins of vehicles equipped with 4WD — which are almost always descended from pick-up trucks built on rear-wheel-drive platforms — vs. the trucky looking but lighter-duty crossovers — which are almost always descended from light-duty, front-wheel-drive passenger cars.

Yet despite the clear differences in design and capability between 4WD and AWD, several automakers brazenly conflate the two as a way of bulking-up the perceived capability of their light-duty, car-based “crossovers” to make them appear less like the passenger vehicles they’re typically descended from.

But don’t be fooled.

And don’t expect a car-based crossover vehicle with a car-based AWD system to be able to do things a true 4WD-equipped vehicle would be able to do.

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So guys my Sport has non locking axles so it just has 2 wheel drive in 4 Wheel drive correct?
 












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still says 4WD not like the true AWD it is

That's what I mentioned in my post 66.
This 4WD vs AWD and its definitions have been discussed on this forum several times. I have merged one of the other threads with this one.
There are additional threads as well that can be found using the Forum's 'Search' function.

Peter
 



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So guys my Sport has non locking axles so it just has 2 wheel drive in 4 Wheel drive correct?
It is front wheel biased meaning that the majority of time you are in FWD. Power is distributed to the rear wheels on an 'as needed' basis. If you step on it from a dead stop you can see power being provided to the rears if you bring up the diagram in the left hand display, assuming the 2016 models still have that.

Peter
 






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