Kiliona
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- 1992 Ford Explorer XLT
1992 Ford Explorer, XLT manual tranny, 4 L 3.73 gears stock etc etc
New to posting, but I've Lurked here for a while, I've searched everywhere and I just can't figure this out.
This problem only occurs when it is hot outside, and generally if not always after the engine is still warm (recently ran) and I drive it. The car is running what seems to be very rich (GF drove behind me and told me it smelled like gas and there was charcoal smoke out the exhause) so rich that it'll bog down and die sometimes. Sometimes right after i start it, sometimes after i've been driving it and let it drop down to an idle. When it's running really bad (too bad to move the car) and i try and get the rev's up it'll make a noise akin to a fan rubbing a shroud or something. Once again no check engine light! which is one of the weirdest things to me because that rules out most sensors and such.
I've realized lately when i need to get it home i can pull over (generally the car will die and make the "pull over" choice for me), pull the fuel pump fuse, roll the car over (it'll still start once or twice with the fuel fuse out ) roll it over some more, then put the fuse back in start it and don't let the revs drop bellow 2000. Sometimes even when the revs are high it'll still die and i'll have to do this again. My logic is that the cylinders are flooded with fuel and this cleans it up a bit, not sure if that's true.
This car is new to me as of a month ago, and this problem didn't occur until two weeks after i did the valve cover gaskets (had to pull intake manifold, vacuum hose tree, 4 or 5 various sensors, alternator, power steering pump, couple other things) Then i went on to do a tune-up (parts replaced stated below). I don't think the work i've done is related but it's possible i screwed something up and i caused the problem. But the problem started after it got hot outside, and it wasn't hot till after i did all that work. like two weeks later.
Link to video of EOKO test, pulling codes.
http://s1365.photobucket.com/user/jazzmo_94/media/IMG_18741_zps2008240a.mp4.html?filters[user]=136822375&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0
Next i did a tune-up, all this was before it warmed up and before the problem occured. I replaced plugs, wires, air filter,
Now that the problem occurred (ironically while i was droving down the canyon with a trailor to save a friend who got a flat on his motorcycle, my car broke down) i tried replacing things i thought might fix the problem. Started with fuel filter, that helped so i could use my fuse trick mentioned earlier to get the car home if i needed to. Then i did the fuel pump relay, didn't make a difference. Today i replaced the Fuel Pressure Regulator, that once again helped, but definitely didn't fix it.
Using this i found-out the fuel pump was replaced in 2011, 2 years ago, plus i can hear the fuel pump turn for a few seconds when i turn the key to on, PLUS I still believe it's running rich and don't believe a fuel pump would do that.
The problem initially felt like a vapor lock, i know that's very unlikely in a fuel injected engine, but it felt like it.
Sorry for this being so long. Thanks for the time anyone spends on helping me! Any help is appreciated, and i can give more info if needed.
Running very rough when hot especially on hot start, Replaced fuel filter FPR and fuel relay, did tune-up, not fixed.
Any advice on which sensors to look at and how to test them, or anything else would be very useful!
New to posting, but I've Lurked here for a while, I've searched everywhere and I just can't figure this out.
What's Wrong
This problem only occurs when it is hot outside, and generally if not always after the engine is still warm (recently ran) and I drive it. The car is running what seems to be very rich (GF drove behind me and told me it smelled like gas and there was charcoal smoke out the exhause) so rich that it'll bog down and die sometimes. Sometimes right after i start it, sometimes after i've been driving it and let it drop down to an idle. When it's running really bad (too bad to move the car) and i try and get the rev's up it'll make a noise akin to a fan rubbing a shroud or something. Once again no check engine light! which is one of the weirdest things to me because that rules out most sensors and such.
I've realized lately when i need to get it home i can pull over (generally the car will die and make the "pull over" choice for me), pull the fuel pump fuse, roll the car over (it'll still start once or twice with the fuel fuse out ) roll it over some more, then put the fuse back in start it and don't let the revs drop bellow 2000. Sometimes even when the revs are high it'll still die and i'll have to do this again. My logic is that the cylinders are flooded with fuel and this cleans it up a bit, not sure if that's true.
This car is new to me as of a month ago, and this problem didn't occur until two weeks after i did the valve cover gaskets (had to pull intake manifold, vacuum hose tree, 4 or 5 various sensors, alternator, power steering pump, couple other things) Then i went on to do a tune-up (parts replaced stated below). I don't think the work i've done is related but it's possible i screwed something up and i caused the problem. But the problem started after it got hot outside, and it wasn't hot till after i did all that work. like two weeks later.
Link to video of EOKO test, pulling codes.
http://s1365.photobucket.com/user/jazzmo_94/media/IMG_18741_zps2008240a.mp4.html?filters[user]=136822375&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0
What i've replaced/tried
First things first, i replaced the valve cover gaskets (had an oil leak) which involved pulling out all the stuff i mentioned above. I also replaced the intake manifold gasket while i was at it. I SHOULD have done the fuel rail gaskets while i was at it but didn't.Next i did a tune-up, all this was before it warmed up and before the problem occured. I replaced plugs, wires, air filter,
Now that the problem occurred (ironically while i was droving down the canyon with a trailor to save a friend who got a flat on his motorcycle, my car broke down) i tried replacing things i thought might fix the problem. Started with fuel filter, that helped so i could use my fuse trick mentioned earlier to get the car home if i needed to. Then i did the fuel pump relay, didn't make a difference. Today i replaced the Fuel Pressure Regulator, that once again helped, but definitely didn't fix it.
Misc.
The owner before me was very ****, he ordered the car brand new in 1991 (or 2) and kept mini notebooks and receipts of everything he has ever done to the car. Including gas mileage at every fillup. Using this i found-out the fuel pump was replaced in 2011, 2 years ago, plus i can hear the fuel pump turn for a few seconds when i turn the key to on, PLUS I still believe it's running rich and don't believe a fuel pump would do that.
The problem initially felt like a vapor lock, i know that's very unlikely in a fuel injected engine, but it felt like it.
Sorry for this being so long. Thanks for the time anyone spends on helping me! Any help is appreciated, and i can give more info if needed.
Reader's Digest
Help, 92 explorer XLT running (probably) super rich when hot, Running very rough when hot especially on hot start, Replaced fuel filter FPR and fuel relay, did tune-up, not fixed.
Any advice on which sensors to look at and how to test them, or anything else would be very useful!