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check engine light - Throttle Position Sensor

Waterboy

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1994 XLT
I was driving home tonight and getting on the throttle heavy. The check engine light came on, after I slowed down, it turned off. After I parked it, I plugged in my code tester. It reported code 124 - "Throttle Position Sensor voltage higher than expected". Should I replace the sensor or wait until the check engine light turns on again?
 



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There not exspensive if your just looking for something to do..I would clear the codes and wait to see if it happened again..
 






I replaced my TPS and my mileage went up from 15.5 to 17- 17.5 for the last 5 tanks and I just got 19.3 on a recent trip driving 70 on cruise. I have better throttle response and one surprise is that my pinging is gone. I can now run regular 87-octane gas without pinging. I had tried cleaning the MAF, replaced O2 sensors, ran gallons of fuel injector cleaner and was planning to re-torque the upper manifold. The exhaust now has a grey color instead of a black soot color. I suspect it ran rich at low throttle opening and ran lean when running at highway speed. The faulty sensor must have confused the computer mixture setting.
 






that sure sounds like the problem I'm having with my truck..... where did you get your scanner??? mine is a 94 also.
 






TPS

Dre, I purchased the scanner at Autozone for about $35 and it is invaluable. When I replace parts on any of my cars, I always check to see if a parts store carries the part that I suspect is causing the problem. If the parts store says, "that's a dealer part only", I continue troubleshooting the problem. Although any part on a car can break, parts stores generally only carry parts with a high failure rate. An example is most any parts store can sell you an O2 sensor or fan belt, but ask for an EGR valve and they might be able to order it or might recommend going to Ford. My point is that auto parts stores are very reluctant to carry parts in their inventory that might sell. When I asked the Autozone sales clerk how many Throttle Positions sensors they sell, he said about 6 per month for my year model and he had 3 in stock. Evidently the TPS is a rheostat that changes the voltage going to the computer. The computer uses the MAF to determine the actual flow of air and the position of the throttle to adjust the mixture of the gas. If the voltage reading from the TPS is out of range, the check engine light may illuminate briefly. You would then need the code tester to verify. My Explorer has 128,000 miles and I started having a slight ping at around 90. I believe the TPS was starting to give inaccurate voltage readings when the throttle was open more than the normal cruse settings. The rheostat starts to wear out in the area were the throttle is normally set after about 70,000 miles. My TPS created a lean condition were I should have had a rich mixture.

Sorry to ramble on. The TPS is $39 at Ford and $26 at Autozone. I'm sure Pep Boys carries it also.

Good luck.
 






that's more info that I could ever imagine. I have to find out if PepBoys carry the scanners......

Thanks a bunch!
 






Ok, I also have a 94 xlt.. I have owned it for 1000 miles now.. (buying it with 41000) The check engine light seems to come on at the same places on the interstate for me every time I drive it.. Once it warms up, when I top a hill and start down the other side, the check engine light comes on. Once down the hill and starting up the next it goes off.. Starting down that one then it comes on again.. etc.. I usually use cruise control and go between 65-70.. I used a multi meter and attempted to check the hard and memory codes and only came up with a 124 memory code.. (the tps higher voltage) So does this sound right to everyone that I need to replace it? Thats my guess but I figure I should get a second opinion before wasting anymore than I have too.. Also while I'm posting, what kind of oil should I put in? I read some of the prior posts on the subject and came up with 5w30 of any brand and syn or dino with regular changes (3-5k). From what I read probably mobil 1 syn? One last thing, I changed the thermostat in it the other day.. I noticed an oil leak under the thermostat.. possibly the intake gasket? I haven't noticed any change on the dipstick yet but I don't want a small leak either (let alone a big one).. Is this a common place for a leak? Is it going to be a serious problem? Thanks for any help.. and sorry about the length of this.. :)
 






That scanner thing...

I haven't seen one of those here in the UK, but seeing as how it's just a serial connection, does anyone know the protocol for reading the codes using a Laptop PC??

Chris
 






I don't have any idea how you would use a pc to connect to it, although with the right software, etc its probably possible. I found this link under "explorer resources" (I think).

http://dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html

It tells how to use just a test light or multi meter to check the codes. I saw a scanner in JC whitney catalog for $200 that reads more things but I don't know if it would be worth it... Has anyone seen these? Are they worth it or just stick with the test light?
 






ChrisHeapy

one of us could always buy you one and send it. I was at Auto Zone and saw a nice one for like 150. This is the same one they used to run the code for free on my 98. Let me know i would be willing to help ya out.
 






Nice one for $150

I personally like the AutoXray. (probably the $150 unit) I have one of the light units and know how to use the check engine light to check the codes but I always manage to miscount the flashes. If you got the $$$ the autoxray is great, it reads in numbers and then defines the the trouble code the same way the shop manual will. It also has a feature that lets you monitor what's going on while the engine is running. I haven't used that feature in a while but I know it will let you look at RPM, vehicle speed, MAS output, TPS voltage, fuel injector pulse width and a zillion other things, very helpful if you really want to know what is going on with the sensors and the engine management. Just my $.02 worth.

Tim
 






Originally posted by COMMOCOZY
one of us could always buy you one and send it. I was at Auto Zone and saw a nice one for like 150. This is the same one they used to run the code for free on my 98. Let me know i would be willing to help ya out.

That's a good idea!

However, what I would like to try first is making an interface for a laptop and then a simple program should be able to do the same job. - shouldn't need much more than a few optoisolators to get the data into the PC via the parallel port, if it needs to output signals to the Explorer's computer then that's merely a few more components to get the voltage correct. I have a list of readout codes but have no idea what input codes are used when running a scan (other than one to briefly increase engine speed).

Chris
 






Someone has already done this. It is called the Autotap. I think it runs about $100-$150. Probably worth the cost rather than redesigning the wheel. Check it out at www.obdii.com
 






Where is the TPS located?
 






On top of the throttle body. (Not trying to sound like a smart ass) basically follow the air intake tube from the air cleaner box around to the engine, the thing it is attached to is the throttle body. On the drivers side of the throttle body about a 45 degree angle is a little black box with a two wire plug on it, that is the TPS.
 






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