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You test the fitness of a cylinder with a compression test, with the motor installed. My guess is he doesn’t think he can fix it, and is gonna pull the motor and say it’s bad. Then he gets to sell you a good motor.
 



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Does it run at all on petrol?
 












You test the fitness of a cylinder with a compression test, with the motor installed. My guess is he doesn’t think he can fix it, and is gonna pull the motor and say it’s bad. Then he gets to sell you a good motor.
Maybe my tired girl brain didn't hear correctly. Would a compression test cost US$400? Maybe he meant if the compression test showed ?? it would need to be pulled out.
 






I guess this is why he says after the au $600 it may cost $3000...https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-EXPLORER-ENGINE-4-0-SOHC-UN-US-NEW-TIMING-CHAIN-KIT-FITTED/273025878898?hash=item3f919c4b72:g:MI0AAOSww85aXCiu

Mine's a UR
 






That’s a rebuild kit with the parts to refurbish the engine.
Maybe my tired girl brain didn't hear correctly. Would a compression test cost US$400? Maybe he meant if the compression test showed ?? it would need to be pulled out.
No, a compression test should be substantially cheaper.

If it runs fine on petrol the motor wouldn’t be suspect to me, it’d be something in the LPG delivery system. LPG could potentially make an existing problem slightly worse, but it wouldn’t create an entirely new problem with its runability, as far as the motor itself goes.

Long shot, is there a place that does LPG conversions local?
 






That’s a rebuild kit with the parts to refurbish the engine.

No, a compression test should be substantially cheaper.

If it runs fine on petrol the motor wouldn’t be suspect to me, it’d be something in the LPG delivery system. LPG could potentially make an existing problem slightly worse, but it wouldn’t create an entirely new problem with its runability, as far as the motor itself goes.

Long shot, is there a place that does LPG conversions local?
kinda, other side of Melbourne. thanks,I might give them a shot.

sunk costs??

lol, reminds me of driving around and around town getting 2nd and 3rd medical opinions for my deathly ill niece. deathly ill car I guess...same-same:D
 






Wait it runs fine on .petrol ?
 






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No, a compression test should be substantially cheaper.

If it runs fine on petrol the motor wouldn’t be suspect to me, it’d be something in the LPG delivery system. LPG could potentially make an existing problem slightly worse, but it wouldn’t create an entirely new problem with its runability, as far as the motor itself goes.

Long shot, is there a place that does LPG conversions local?

Ditto. Since the engine runs okay on gas, I would appreciate that now and work on getting it in top shape. Ignore the LPG now until you know everything is in great shape engine wise.

Because there is an unknown issue about the LPG running, I'd suspect tune up parts like the spark plugs and wires. Since the 1990's when the OEM began to push 100k mile service intervals with warrantee, owners stopped changing plugs and the plug wires often enough. Now there are millions of vehicles that have very old plug wires and plugs. Those are fragile parts that used to get changed every few years or 25-50k miles. I've bought two 98 Explorers in the last four years, both had the original plugs and plug wires. One did fine after I replaced them, but the last one ran worse inexplicably after doing the plugs(a worse miss). That turned out to be one coil pack, which can be ruined with huge plug gaps.

So, if you do not know how old the plugs and wires are, I would change those now for sure. They don't have to be high dollar parts, just good quality not cheap junk. Ideally you'd want Ford wires or similar $80 up type, but a top brand from a local part store will do fine for now.

I'd clean the IAC, that's a 15 minute job, or less for a mechanic. It would be good to have the computer scanned at the OBDII port, for any error codes. Some vehicles don't display a dash light to tell you there are some codes.

You want to know there isn't anything minor, or possible to do for the engine now, when you again ask for help with the LPG system running. Be sure all fluids and filters are full and fresh, and it runs well and starts well at all times. You don't want a mechanic to toss new possibilities like those at you. If those haven't been done, then they tell you it could need those, or the new engine crap.

The compression test, or a leak down test(which is better but slightly more involved), those identify the cylinder pressure possible. A worn out engine will have failures from those tests, which can point to bad valves, seats, or worn piston rings etc.

You do not want the engine to come out, it sounds like over there they are too quick to yank one and sell the customer something more. Part of what is a weakness of the SOHC engine is the quality of the timing chain parts, and the expertise of installation, plus parts quality.

The original engine is very good except for the longevity of the timing chain guides and tensioners, which has been mentioned before. You want to have everything else in excellent shape, and then concentrate efforts on those timing chain parts. If the engine shows no symptoms of chain noises, that would be best case, and just changing the external tensioners is a great maintenance step, leaving possibly 100k more mileage until the next worry about those parts.
 






it was this:

Liqui-Moly MoS2 Friction Reducer Engine Treatment 300mL​

Details​

$21.99

That's the one right there!
I have no idea if the price is good or not because, simply I have no clue how much Australian dollars are compared to US dollars, but that is the right oil additive can. (But it's not a spray can it's just a bottle, so If that's what you have it should be the right thing.)

But if cylinder 5 misfiring is really the issue with your motor, then take care of that problem first, and just save the MoS2 bottle for afterwards or for another engine/or another car and put it into the motor-oil of that.
 






Maybe my tired girl brain didn't hear correctly. Would a compression test cost US$400? Maybe he meant if the compression test showed ?? it would need to be pulled out.

I can assure you it's not a tired girl brain that's the problem. If I understand it right, then what the mechanic suggested seems VERY fishy.

I'm not sure what you paid him for and what not, so if you have a detailed receipt showing the work he did it might help understand what work he did to diagnose the problem. If there's no receipt ask him to write up one along with a detailed cost estimate for the work required to fix the issue or at least the next step that he recommends doing to further diagnose it with detailed listing what work is 'required' and what it each costs.
And then based on that several people here should be able to tell you, if you might want to consider to sue the guy or not and if what he lists and suggests makes any technical sense or not.

To diagnose a misfiring cylinder you shouldn't need to pull the engine. To do a compression test you don't need to pull the engine and to visually inspect it with a borescope (a little camera) you don't need to pull the engine either. All you need to do is get the sparkplug out, which may be tricky to do (on my OHV engine it can be a PITA to get to some of the sparkplugs), but it certainly does NOT require pulling the engine out. Cylinder 5 should be a cylinder where the sparkplugs are easily accessible, I believe.

A (constantly) misfiring cylinder should commonly also throw a check engine light along with an error code. My stock 4.0 OHV motor would do just that. For cylinder 5 misfiring it should be code P0305 for example.

Your converted SOHC engine may have some extensive modifications done to the ECM along with completely different programming, or even an all different ECM all together.
I really have no idea what the modifications in the LPG conversion entail in terms of the motor management. But I would be VERY surprised if a (constantly - and not just a very rarely and sporadically) misfiring cylinder doesn't produce an error code and an illuminated check engine light.

Last but not least I have a question for clarification:
Does the engine run rough and have the misfiring cylinder 5 when it runs on gasoline, but it still runs? - Or does it run 'perfectly fine' on petrol (without misfires), and when switched to LPG then it doesn't run at all? Or then the cylinder 5 misfires?
 












What kind of oil did u use? The misfires are probably not related but if u drive it like that misfiring its going to lead to other problems...
 












Ditto. Since the engine runs okay on gas, I would appreciate that now and work on getting it in top shape. Ignore the LPG now until you know everything is in great shape engine wise.

Because there is an unknown issue about the LPG running, I'd suspect tune up parts like the spark plugs and wires. Since the 1990's when the OEM began to push 100k mile service intervals with warrantee, owners stopped changing plugs and the plug wires often enough. Now there are millions of vehicles that have very old plug wires and plugs. Those are fragile parts that used to get changed every few years or 25-50k miles. I've bought two 98 Explorers in the last four years, both had the original plugs and plug wires. One did fine after I replaced them, but the last one ran worse inexplicably after doing the plugs(a worse miss). That turned out to be one coil pack, which can be ruined with huge plug gaps.

So, if you do not know how old the plugs and wires are, I would change those now for sure. They don't have to be high dollar parts, just good quality not cheap junk. Ideally you'd want Ford wires or similar $80 up type, but a top brand from a local part store will do fine for now.

I'd clean the IAC, that's a 15 minute job, or less for a mechanic. It would be good to have the computer scanned at the OBDII port, for any error codes. Some vehicles don't display a dash light to tell you there are some codes.

You want to know there isn't anything minor, or possible to do for the engine now, when you again ask for help with the LPG system running. Be sure all fluids and filters are full and fresh, and it runs well and starts well at all times. You don't want a mechanic to toss new possibilities like those at you. If those haven't been done, then they tell you it could need those, or the new engine crap.

The compression test, or a leak down test(which is better but slightly more involved), those identify the cylinder pressure possible. A worn out engine will have failures from those tests, which can point to bad valves, seats, or worn piston rings etc.

You do not want the engine to come out, it sounds like over there they are too quick to yank one and sell the customer something more. Part of what is a weakness of the SOHC engine is the quality of the timing chain parts, and the expertise of installation, plus parts quality.

The original engine is very good except for the longevity of the timing chain guides and tensioners, which has been mentioned before. You want to have everything else in excellent shape, and then concentrate efforts on those timing chain parts. If the engine shows no symptoms of chain noises, that would be best case, and just changing the external tensioners is a great maintenance step, leaving possibly 100k more mileage until the next worry about those parts.
wow that's amazingly helpful and detailed, thanks so much!!!
 






What kind of oil did u use? The misfires are probably not related but if u drive it like that misfiring its going to lead to other problems...
yeah I have a feeling the retired mechanic (but VERY drunk my neighbour told me, I think he wasn't concentrating) put in the wrong oil. As the engine still runs fine but it sounds dreadful now. And the recent mechanic mentioned the spark plugs...

Thanks as always guys, think I'll look at some of these other things before taking it to the LPG ppl two hours drive across town. I really need a manual (I bought one but they sent me the wrong product) and one of these scanners.

A crap time to be doing all this as we've been in lockdown for 4 months and it's now summer and 6-week school holiday time, mechanics are swamped. My husband, an anxious type, is freaking out about this -but stuff 'im, I have you actual experts to listen to!!
 






Okay... so on petrol it sounds “dreadful”?
 






I can assure you it's not a tired girl brain that's the problem. If I understand it right, then what the mechanic suggested seems VERY fishy.

I'm not sure what you paid him for and what not, so if you have a detailed receipt showing the work he did it might help understand what work he did to diagnose the problem. If there's no receipt ask him to write up one along with a detailed cost estimate for the work required to fix the issue or at least the next step that he recommends doing to further diagnose it with detailed listing what work is 'required' and what it each costs.
And then based on that several people here should be able to tell you, if you might want to consider to sue the guy or not and if what he lists and suggests makes any technical sense or not.

To diagnose a misfiring cylinder you shouldn't need to pull the engine. To do a compression test you don't need to pull the engine and to visually inspect it with a borescope (a little camera) you don't need to pull the engine either. All you need to do is get the sparkplug out, which may be tricky to do (on my OHV engine it can be a PITA to get to some of the sparkplugs), but it certainly does NOT require pulling the engine out. Cylinder 5 should be a cylinder where the sparkplugs are easily accessible, I believe.

A (constantly) misfiring cylinder should commonly also throw a check engine light along with an error code. My stock 4.0 OHV motor would do just that. For cylinder 5 misfiring it should be code P0305 for example.

Your converted SOHC engine may have some extensive modifications done to the ECM along with completely different programming, or even an all different ECM all together.
I really have no idea what the modifications in the LPG conversion entail in terms of the motor management. But I would be VERY surprised if a (constantly - and not just a very rarely and sporadically) misfiring cylinder doesn't produce an error code and an illuminated check engine light.

Last but not least I have a question for clarification:
Does the engine run rough and have the misfiring cylinder 5 when it runs on gasoline, but it still runs? - Or does it run 'perfectly fine' on petrol (without misfires), and when switched to LPG then it doesn't run at all? Or then the cylinder 5 misfires?
it runs totally fine then misfires when it switches
 






yeah I have a feeling the retired mechanic (but VERY drunk my neighbour told me, I think he wasn't concentrating) put in the wrong oil. As the engine still runs fine but it sounds dreadful now. And the recent mechanic mentioned the spark plugs...

Thanks as always guys, think I'll look at some of these other things before taking it to the LPG ppl two hours drive across town. I really need a manual (I bought one but they sent me the wrong product) and one of these scanners.

A crap time to be doing all this as we've been in lockdown for 4 months and it's now summer and 6-week school holiday time, mechanics are swamped. My husband, an anxious type, is freaking out about this -but stuff 'im, I have you actual experts to listen to!!

You can find all the necessary pdf manuals for your Explorer (even including full workshop manuals with detailed instructions on diagnosing and repairing things) online for surprisingly 'cheap' from all sorts of legal and illegal sources.
 



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Okay... so on petrol it sounds “dreadful”?
well it sounds fine to most people I ask and it starts and revs up fine, no problem driving around...sounds good-ish I guess. but it sounds worse after this guy changed the oil. even he said it sounded worse.

yes i know. I know I'm putting up with nonsense - what the hell's wrong with me.? To think my day job is a federal counter-terrorism investigator :) Abusive middle eastern thugs in jail don't faze me in the slightest...but these guys confuse me. All at sea I am:-(
 






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