Hey Explorers! Please help me

[Nocotimberline]

Hey everyone. Just picked up a Timberline and already found a problem. The parking brake automatically engaged when I switch fro D to P, and every time I try to drive I have to manually disengage it. None of my friend’s Explorer does this. Is this a problem from the factory or there is a setting controls this feature. Really hate it. Please help me. Thank you very much. The car is brand new, just noticed this when I got home.

It will disengage if you tap the accelerator.

 

[peterk9]

i think yall confusing mash with smash lol. mash in hillbilly means to press. you mash a button for example.

I always thought it went hand in hand with moonshine.

Peter

 

[Dale5403]

Those missing the point about us being concerned about disengaging a parking brake by tapping, mashing or manually are missing the MAIN reason of the absurdity of this, which is that Ford should be replacing all of the defective parts, PERIOD... not just selectively allowing Interceptors only to get it, because, well, they accelerate a lot more. It sounds like quite the compelling argument, but it is a step into unchartered waters when known defective parts are not replaced and they dicker with your software to save money. I do not speak for anyone but myself and personally I am refusing the software update and currently waiting for approval to get the part replaced in lieu of the band aid.

You are missing the point of my reply. It was to address the complaints about the parking brake being applied when in park. It had nothing to do with the missing bolt. That is a whole different thing . And I would be very concerned about that.

 

[blwnsmoke]

Those missing the point about us being concerned about disengaging a parking brake by tapping, mashing or manually are missing the MAIN reason of the absurdity of this, which is that Ford should be replacing all of the defective parts, PERIOD... not just selectively allowing Interceptors only to get it, because, well, they accelerate a lot more. It sounds like quite the compelling argument, but it is a step into unchartered waters when known defective parts are not replaced and they dicker with your software to save money. I do not speak for anyone but myself and personally I am refusing the software update and currently waiting for approval to get the part replaced in lieu of the band aid.

You don't understand the difference between the PIU and the retail Explorers. The PIU do not have an electronic parking brake. Their parking brake is a manually applied brake by cable/wire. The PIU is requiring a part redesign because it's a manual parking brake (not an electronic button like retail units).

This is why the PIUs have a longer delay in the recall parts being available and the retail units just having a software update. They are not "selectively allowing Interceptors only to get it".

 

[Maryj62]

Hey everyone. Just picked up a Timberline and already found a problem. The parking brake automatically engaged when I switch fro D to P, and every time I try to drive I have to manually disengage it. None of my friend’s Explorer does this. Is this a problem from the factory or there is a setting controls this feature. Really hate it. Please help me. Thank you very much. The car is brand new, just noticed this when I got home.

Yip that’s the new software update. I have the Explorer and my software was updated and I have to unlock the brake every single time and it’s darn annoying.

 

[nekkidhillbilly]

I always thought it went hand in hand with moonshine.

Peter

thats mash as well lol. sour mash. but you have the words like mash at button to turn something on like for ac.

 

[peterk9]

thats mash as well lol. sour mash. but you have the words like mash at button to turn something on like for ac.

I've never heard the term "mash" being used before to turn things on until I read your posts.

Peter

 

[JayKramer]

You don't understand the difference between the PIU and the retail Explorers. The PIU do not have an electronic parking brake. Their parking brake is a manually applied brake by cable/wire. The PIU is requiring a part redesign because it's a manual parking brake (not an electronic button like retail units).

This is why the PIUs have a longer delay in the recall parts being available and the retail units just having a software update. They are not "selectively allowing Interceptors only to get it".

You are mistaken PIU's DO have electronic parking brakes....Read the manual yourself

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/Catalog/owner_information/2021-Ford-Police-Interceptor-Utility-Gas-HEV-Owners-Manual-version-1_om_EN-US_08_2020.pdf

 

[J_C]

I've never heard the term "mash" being used before to turn things on until I read your posts.

Peter

I've heard it used this way a few times, but always felt it was imprecise, a poor word choice unless it meant to use more force than one normally would.

 

[fantomrf4]

how else do you accelerate without mashing a gas pedal with your foot?

In my experience, "mash" seems to reflect a different level of aggressiveness in different parts of the country. I recall in northern Florida, the people I knew would use it where I would have used "press." To me, "mash" would imply putting pedal to the metal if I had not lived in the deep South.

 

[joney]

Curiosity question: If I understand correctly, the 'fix' software update that puts the Ex in park, is to keep it from rolling away IF a bolt breaks due to stress (perhaps in those with 1 bolt instead of 2?) without addressing the lack of bolts that would usually be there. IF your bolt breaks, do any codes show? If you haven't had the software fix, any indicator of bolt failure other that your truck starts rolling in Park?

 

[Mr C 2022]

It will disengage if you tap the accelerator.

 

[joney]

In my experience, "mash" seems to reflect a different level of aggressiveness in different parts of the country. I recall in northern Florida, the people I knew would use it where I would have used "press." To me, "mash" would imply putting pedal to the metal if I had not lived in the deep South.

Yeah, around here if you 'mash' a pedal, you're really hitting it hard! Not just pressing it.

 

[joney]

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Good to know, Would sit funny while parked if it didn't roll. Very obvious when driving. Hope everyone gets the complete fix soon!

 

[blwnsmoke]

That's funny because the NHTSA has the docs from Ford that says otherwise (manual brake). And that matches up with why they get parts and we get software.

I will have to try to find it again. It was internal docs to the NHTSA that outlined the investigation, steps taken, and why the police version wouldn't be available till 3rd quarter because it required a part design due to the manual brake.

You are mistaken PIU's DO have electronic parking brakes....Read the manual yourself

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/Catalog/owner_information/2021-Ford-Police-Interceptor-Utility-Gas-HEV-Owners-Manual-version-1_om_EN-US_08_2020.pdf

 

[JayKramer]

That's funny because the NHTSA has the docs from Ford that says otherwise (manual brake). And that matches up with why they get parts and we get software.

I will have to try to find it again. It was internal docs to the NHTSA that outlined the investigation, steps taken, and why the police version wouldn't be available till 3rd quarter because it required a part design due to the manual brak

PIU does have electronic parking brake..I dont how else to convince you....maybe this?....​

Electronic Parking Brake Control Switch. PARK Brake Switch. SWITCH ASSEMBLY.​

Part Number: GR2Z2B623BA
Supersession(s): GR2Z-2B623-BA
ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS. Electronic Parking Brake Control Switch. SWITCHES & SOCKETS.


Fits Police Interceptor (2020 - 2022)

 

[Spacey]

The software change might prevent the car from rolling away at a stop but does nothing to prevent the differential from dropping on the road while the vehicle is being driven which seems an even worse accident risk and will certainly leave people stranded and cause significant damage to the vehicle. Maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't appear that Ford is planning to do anything to actually fix broken bolt problem. I don't see how that could be acceptable. For all it's first year issues, at least my 2020ST has the two bolt setup

 

[blwnsmoke]

PIU does have electronic parking brake..I dont how else to convince you....maybe this?....​

Electronic Parking Brake Control Switch. PARK Brake Switch. SWITCH ASSEMBLY.​

View attachment 431418View attachment 431419View attachment 431420
Part Number: GR2Z2B623BA
Supersession(s): GR2Z-2B623-BA
ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS. Electronic Parking Brake Control Switch. SWITCHES & SOCKETS.


Fits Police Interceptor (2020 - 2022)

I'm not arguing with you. All I'm stating is I based my comment off the documents that I saw from the NHTSA that outlined everything. I will have to search for it when I get home and see if I can find the docs I read before I originally posted. Don't know why they would state such a thing.

 

[blwnsmoke]

PIU does have electronic parking brake..I dont how else to convince you....maybe this?....​

Electronic Parking Brake Control Switch. PARK Brake Switch. SWITCH ASSEMBLY.​

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Part Number: GR2Z2B623BA
Supersession(s): GR2Z-2B623-BA
ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS. Electronic Parking Brake Control Switch. SWITCHES & SOCKETS.


Fits Police Interceptor (2020 - 2022)

Here is where I was reading it.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2022/RMISC-22V255-2699.pdf

"In March 2022, Engineering worked with Ford Dealerships to confirm the effects on vehicle operation. Two dealerships confirmed damage on the rear driveshaft that resulted in the loss of park. Engineering confirmed Police units are built with a park by cable and would require a hardware change to avoid the loss of park condition, unlike retail units which are built with electronic park brake software and require a software update to avoid a loss of park condition."

So no clue why it says this. Is there such thing as a parking brake switch that controls a Park by cable system?? No clue. Just going by what the manufacturer states to the NHTSA.

 

[JayKramer]

Here is where I was reading it.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2022/RMISC-22V255-2699.pdf

"In March 2022, Engineering worked with Ford Dealerships to confirm the effects on vehicle operation. Two dealerships confirmed damage on the rear driveshaft that resulted in the loss of park. Engineering confirmed Police units are built with a park by cable and would require a hardware change to avoid the loss of park condition, unlike retail units which are built with electronic park brake software and require a software update to avoid a loss of park condition."

So no clue why it says this. Is there such thing as a parking brake switch that controls a Park by cable system?? No clue. Just going by what the manufacturer states to the NHTSA.

Wow, indeed its a bit of contradiction....oh well, thanks for that link..it is really odd, well anyway, I wont do the software upgrade, if it breaks its under warranty anyway, I trade in before warranty expires, I just need to be wary of the car being firmly in gear when in Park...have great day