It's getting dull in here. So---

[Highroller]

My truck is coming!!!!

 

[Richie18]

Well since this topc is about random topics anyway i won't start a new one...

What would be the best way get/build a 302? Would need to be good for daily use too. Even more specifically one that could be turbocharged?

A new FRPP crate engine?

Building it up with each component?

 

[99SportX]

I would advise against a crate engine because the only parts you will use from it will be the block, heads, valve covers, and I am not even sure about the oil pan. Buying an explorer motor with all the accessories, wiring and intake will be a lot easier. You can then upgrade the heads and get the block worked on with a higher quality bottom end. The explorer parts will make it a lot easier to fit it into your trac. Depending on what power you are going to want, the stock block may not be up to it. I believe the max the stock block can take is 500hp, but I may not recall correctly.

The crate motors don't include an explorer timing cover or harmonic balancer, and since you have a trac, you will need a 5.0 donor vehicle anyway to get all of the wiring and accessory brackets/accessories.

I think it was you who replied in my V8 swap thread? I don't have a writeup done yet, but I will PM you a link to a incomplete one I have for now. The instructions will be very similar for your trac, but the rear driveshaft issue will have to be different. I haven't added pics to it yet.

 

[Xan]

you're kinda bad about getting pics up : are there more over on boosted than here?

 

[99SportX]

Yeah, I know. I don't think there are more on boosted. There are more on another site that I cannot link to from this one for whatever reason. It has something to do with an Explorer and an X though.

 

[99SportX]

umm......................., Don's post is gone, so this post can be deleted also I guess????

 

[Turdle]

Hold up guys-
Please don't get me into this-ok? Leave it like it is, please don't force me to do something I don't really want to do--( delete)
understand?


Let's just change the subject.

 

[Turdle]

My truck is coming!!!!

Ready to let the cat out of the bag yet Charles?

I know a secret--

 

[shadowless127]

Shift kit = $90 + 2 or 3 hours of time

what's the best shift kit for the X?

 

[Richie18]

When i would swap the V8 i would still use a donor car for all the other necessary items. The reason for the crate engine is that it is a brand new block and that after seeing how much it would cost CDW to rebuild his 302 to make about 350HP when the crate ones make somewhere between 340-390 the price is not that far off.

I see what you're saying though because i i think i still want the engine to be suited for a Turbo and in the end i would be better off with having it built specifically. Problem is i would need much direction and help on what parts to choose.

I would be at a loss on what components to choose, how to match the heads/cam/intake etc, also ensuring i don't lose compatibility in the swap.

Maybe a local engine builder will be able to answer these questions, but i hate not understanding or knowing why components have been chosen.

 

[CDW6212R]

You should spend a good amount of time reading from certain websites. Here you can learn all you need to about the swapping parts, anything outside of the longblock.

With the crate engines, much of what you think you are saving will be lost because you should not use anything outside of the longblock, plus the camshaft. The cost of those parts, plus having them and needing to sell them, it makes any non Explorer crate engine a waste of money and time.

Those high HP #'s you see with most crate engines will be at rpm's higher than you need, or should reach. My engine will make more power at any rpm than those, up to about 5000rpm. To use that kind of engine that is down on power until right when you need to shift, I call that a poor engine for the vehicle.

The main concern that a swap project should have should be the functioning of all of the parts which were not original. Meaning that if you have a V6 now, you should first worry about getting a V8(of any quality/size) to run, plus the trans, TC, air cleaner, MAF, exhaust etc. You should look at the internal engine parts as a separate project.

You can do a swap and achieve a total bare bones cost of well under $1000. If you do it right and get that done, then you will have a confidence to set a new budget and get the work done. By then you will be able to know what you could invest into a long block. Regards,

 

[CDW6212R]

If you frequent Mustang forums or conversations, be careful to avoid the stuff related to their disadvantages. The Mustang 302's basically all have EECIV PCM's or no computer at all(carb). Those cars have to spend more money on parts which are useless for us with OBDII PCM's.

They will toss around ideas about parts like an FMU, calibrated MAF, adjustable FPR, aftermarket injection system, other ignition boxes(MSD, boost retard), MAF adjusters, adjustable IAC, etc.

For OBDII vehicles none of those parts are necessary, and wasteful to spend money on. We only need a way to change the programming of our PCM's, and that means a flasher and a programmer. The SCT Excal's are great to easily get our PCM's to control anything we have. This programming is not cheap, but it's far far less than what all of those other parts cost.

You can learn from the Mustang guys what parts are important internally. You can learn what parts have certain limits like the stock block(450-500hp), and what rpm range they are best for.

 

[Richie18]

Nice thanks for the info.

Main reason i am talking about the engine is that swapping out a stock or slightly modified motor isn't going to get me that much more HP, broader torque curve yes, compared to my SC V6 right now.

Just like what 99sportX did, i would want to build the block up or build a new block that is compatible and use the other necessary parts from a donor to complete it.

Basically seems like i need to start by finding a donor car, talking to an engine shop and then going forward with the engine and transmission.

Once the tranny and engine are done, of course ensuring compatibility, i would do the swap.

 

[Highroller]

Dunna, dunna, dunna......

 

[Xan]

You can learn from the Mustang guys what parts are important internally. You can learn what parts have certain limits like the stock block(450-500hp), and what rpm range they are best for.

The stock IRS 8.8 Axels are blowing up aound 400HP :

 

[MustangAndy]

If you frequent Mustang forums or conversations.....the Mustang 302.........You can learn from the Mustang guys.......

My Mustang has a 232.
_________
And here I did something.............

Finished Herculining the deck Thursday night.

Toady I reinstalled the driver's side interior and rear seat and started the install of the stealth box I got from Xan.

-Andy
D.J.O.R. Netzhauptmann


EDIT: I JUST NOTICED IT'S ALSO MY 400TH POST HERE.

 

[rocket 5979]

The stock IRS 8.8 Axels are blowing up aound 400HP :

What you say here is a very broad comment. Whether the 8.8 brakes or not will depends on how you are launching the vehicle and also what spline the axles are. Be it 28 spline or 31 spline will make a big difference. There are quite a few 8.8's living past 600rwhp. The Explorer's have the better 31 spline axles and so they are quite a bit stronger than the 28 spline. Food for thought.

 

[yogi_pahl]

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