Jack's SAS version 3.0

[BKennedy]

I like all the work you are doing, but have you ever thought about cleaning the engine compartment? They like being cleaned every once in a while, and much nicer to work on. A little Simple Green in a spray bottle goes a long way.

 

[Four0Sport]

I like all the work you are doing, but have you ever thought about cleaning the engine compartment? They like being cleaned every once in a while, and much nicer to work on. A little Simple Green in a spray bottle goes a long way.

Yes I am going to after the trial fit for everything. I purposely take pics of new parts against dirt and rust to rile up a coworker.

 

[yostyexplorer94]

Christmas money was well spent on new idler and tensioner, cleaned up the saddle and the harness bracket and per someone else's Saginaw journey spaced the alternator. Ryan, I thought you were using the non ac explorer belt? as you can see, it is still too long. and my front dress is early style. that belt is still a couple inches too long. hmm. we will have to do some trial and error. Everything looks pretty though.

The ole lady's 93 limited and my 94 share the same later style front dress. Here is exactly how I mocked it up. This motor was out of a 1998 ranger and the front dress is exactly the same as my 93/94. I used the 91/92 idler pulley by mistake when I built the bracket and it is slightly larger than the 94 pulley. I also used a brand new belt to determine the final placement of the saginaw pump. That was another mistake I made, because I didn't take account the belt stretching. That is the reason the alternator will need spaced to make up for that.

 

[Four0Sport]

I'm running 91/92 front dress apparently from the motor swap at 130k. Guess I'm belt hunting. I did space the alt up.

How was I using a 93/94 non ac belt on the older dress setup? I am running the larger idler but it is below the alt. My tensioner is where your idler i .

 

[yostyexplorer94]

How was I using a 93/94 non ac belt on the older dress setup? I am running the larger idler but it is below the alt. My tensioner is where your idler i .

Are you sure you got the right belt? According to autozone the belt non a/c is the same 91-94. That has me baffled that there is that much slack

I wonder if the factory ac / ps bracket is different between early and late dresses. That would make sense if that is the case. There are 2 different style brackets. Maybe the early one sat further away from the motor

 

[Four0Sport]

Are you sure you got the right belt? According to autozone the belt non a/c is the same 91-94. That has me baffled that there is that much slack

I wonder if the factory ac / ps bracket is different between early and late dresses. That would make sense if that is the case. There are 2 different style brackets. Maybe the early one sat further away from the motor

Mind boggling

 

[Four0Sport]

Lets move to the rear suspension for a bit... I want to keep the fuel tank in the stock location for a few reasons.
1) it protects the driveshaft
2) it acts as a skid
3) keeping the fuel system as stock as possible means I can source parts easier if there is an issue away from home

With that being said, the 10.25 in the stock position under the truck does not clear the fuel tank. The larger pinion flange as well as the structural webbing of the center housing both would come in contact with the fuel tank when the suspension compresses. To remedy this I needed to look for a way to move the axle back at least 4 inches. Anti-wrap perches give you roughly an inch, offset perches net roughly 3.. we are almost there.

Now I know what you're thinking, just run different leafs. Well, yeah I could do that. Some of you might say just flip the stock springs. Well, yeah I could do that too even though the 9th grade physics part of my brain and a tech at Deaver do not advise moving the center pin past the center of the spring. So, with that being said, we re-drilled a set of leafs with a new pin dead center of the leaf. That netted 2" of stretch. So basic math says we just stretched the rear 5 inches. Woo.

So lets talk wheelbase now. Stock 2dr Explorer is 102". My front is pushed 6" forward of stock and the rear will be 5" further back from stock. That is a total gain of 11" putting my wheelbase at 113 total inches. I can live with that.

 

[yostyexplorer94]

Ditch the stock tank now. More room to link it later I may be relocating mine.

 

[Kirby N.]

I agree with keeping the stock tank.

Have you tried to drill leaves? It’s pretty tough to drill spring steel.

a couple of suggestions- ruff stuff had some stretch perches. I was going to use them but ended up returning them. They have a unbolt eliminator. They are beef.

you can also shave a bunch off the skid. It overhangs and the mounts Are bulky. I cut a lot off mine and also redid the mounts with 3/8” flat stock.

Have you looked at moving the tank forward an inch or so? I moved my explorer tank back 1” to make room for my doubler. I cut the mounts and moved them back on the straps and welded and braced. Could you use a smaller tank and do that? It seems like there were two tank sizes in an explorer. Would there be a ranger tank that is smaller?

 

[Four0Sport]

Ditch the stock tank now. More room to link it later I may be relocating mine.

Don't tempt me with a good time! Listen, cost wise and time wise this gets me on the trails faster. Maybe one day down the road the rear will be linked but not now. I'll setup the rear shocks mounts to double as coilover mounts, that make you happy? btw.. June is looking to be a good time, we all hope youre coming.

I agree with keeping the stock tank.

Have you tried to drill leaves? It’s pretty tough to drill spring steel.

a couple of suggestions- ruff stuff had some stretch perches. I was going to use them but ended up returning them. They have a unbolt eliminator. They are beef.

you can also shave a bunch off the skid. It overhangs and the mounts Are bulky. I cut a lot off mine and also redid the mounts with 3/8” flat stock.

Have you looked at moving the tank forward an inch or so? I moved my explorer tank back 1” to make room for my doubler. I cut the mounts and moved them back on the straps and welded and braced. Could you use a smaller tank and do that? It seems like there were two tank sizes in an explorer. Would there be a ranger tank that is smaller?

the leaf packs are already drilled, no issues there.

I do have the ubolt eliminator perches, great minds think alike. that's where I'm getting 3 of the 5 inches of stretch.

the skid is bulky.. it will be getting trimmed up a little. but as far as a smaller tank I am already running the smaller 15 gal tank that came on my 2dr. There really isn't much room to move it forward but fingers crossed im moving the rear axle back enough to clear as far as the ranger tank.. again.. wanting to keep as stock as possible. if i ultimately do have to ditch my oe tank i'll just do a fuel cell.

 

[yostyexplorer94]

Don't tempt me with a good time! Listen, cost wise and time wise this gets me on the trails faster. Maybe one day down the road the rear will be linked but not now. I'll setup the rear shocks mounts to double as coilover mounts, that make you happy?

Progress in this thread always makes me happy.

btw.. June is looking to be a good time, we all hope youre coming.

At least it is not overlapping my daughter's birthday this year. I am planning on going.

 

[DUDER 1]

Updates?

 

[Four0Sport]

Updates?

yes, actually.

with the help of some good friends, the bid dumb ford made its return to the trails on my 40th birthday this past march.

my bff Ryan Yost was able to come down and partake in exploits at The Good Evening Ranch outside of Summersville, WV

quick rundown for those who are just joining this build,
1993 Explorer sport
4.0, a4ld, 2spd atlas 4.3:1
78/79 D60 front, full truss, full hydro, full chromo, drive flanges, 5.38s, lockrite
93 10.25, 5.38s,, lock rite
raceline 17x9 beadlocks, currently wrapped in 42" pitbull rockers
front 14" travel fox 2.0 coilovers, triangulated 4 link
rear factory explorer leafs, spring over, bc they work

 

[410Fortune]

Can’t believe the a4ld is still in the mix!

Good show

 

[yostyexplorer94]

 

[DUDER 1]

yes, actually.

with the help of some good friends, the bid dumb ford made its return to the trails on my 40th birthday this past march.

my bff Ryan Yost was able to come down and partake in exploits at The Good Evening Ranch outside of Summersville, WV

quick rundown for those who are just joining this build,
1993 Explorer sport
4.0, a4ld, 2spd atlas 4.3:1
78/79 D60 front, full truss, full hydro, full chromo, drive flanges, 5.38s, lockrite
93 10.25, 5.38s,, lock rite
raceline 17x9 beadlocks, currently wrapped in 42" pitbull rockers
front 14" travel fox 2.0 coilovers, triangulated 4 link
rear factory explorer leafs, spring over, bc they work

I love the reply

yes, actually.

with the help of some good friends, the bid dumb ford made its return to the trails on my 40th birthday this past march.

my bff Ryan Yost was able to come down and partake in exploits at The Good Evening Ranch outside of Summersville, WV

quick rundown for those who are just joining this build,
1993 Explorer sport
4.0, a4ld, 2spd atlas 4.3:1
78/79 D60 front, full truss, full hydro, full chromo, drive flanges, 5.38s, lockrite
93 10.25, 5.38s,, lock rite
raceline 17x9 beadlocks, currently wrapped in 42" pitbull rockers
front 14" travel fox 2.0 coilovers, triangulated 4 link
rear factory explorer leafs, spring over, bc they work

This thing is a beast. Thank you for the update. Could you post some pics of the stance. Very cool build.

 

[Four0Sport]

updates since i have last posted..

truck is now sporting 40" milestar patagonia mt02 black labels and have been very pleased with how they work in southeast terrain

I have these grand dilusions that I will take the truck on adventure style trips like in the past, so in prep of that I did my best to weatherproof the interior by adding lexan rear qtr windows, building rear wheel wells, and putting a rear hatch glass back in

The rear is setup to hold a full size spare, fluids, spare parts, tools, and I picked up a cheap fridge for food and drinks for camping.

Next I am going to work on rotopax mounts. The fuel gauge does not work and the truck shut off a few times on extreme angles this past weekend and I am hoping it was just low on fuel.

 

[BKennedy]

Very cool

 

[Four0Sport]

I may be doing the most idiotic thing I have done in a while. Here in a few weeks I will be trailering the Explorer to the start of this year's Adventure Wheelers East week long UA style trip. I have been doing a trip like this everything just about since Ultimate Adventure 2015 and this year marks the 10 yr anniversary of that trip so I figured I would take the Explorer.

Have I been putting tons of miles on it to make sure its reliable like I do with the LJ? Nope. Have I been going through everything making sure it is in top shape. No. It starts, goes in 4wd, stops, and drives like an amish buggy had a baby with a forklift. We should be good.

I still have a long cardboard list of things to check handing up in my garage. I might get to half of those. Mainly I need to looks for and possibly fix an exhaust leak and I would like to be able to use overdrive. Currently I have a 3 to 4 shift solenoid ground circuit code. I'll lay under it and grab wires this weekend. This year we are mainly going to be on backroads and maybe 45mph.. i can do that in 3rd.

If you do not follow my IG page and you would like to see updates on our trip my username is Jackfromjackoffroad

Ryan Yost is bringing his Explorer this year also.. it should be an epic week.

 

[Four0Sport]

wellllll i was under the truck today trying to figure out the OD and TCC issues.. read up on lots of threads from this forum and had a good idea of a few things to check. I did not have 12 v at the solenoid connector on trans. so i traced back and concluded that when i 'removed excess wiring from the abs system' i must have cut the 12 v supply. I found key on 12 v and ran that to the the pin in the connector near the fender rail. bingo, we got 12 v at the solenoid connector. I test drove.. no OD or TC lock up. now, for trailering to a park or drive to get ice cream im fine in 3rd. buttttt running 3k rpms at 50 mph in 3rd on road days of a week long trip will get old fast, and the fuel $$$

my next step is going to be running switched grounds to each of the pins on the connector at the trans. I am hoping that will enable to me lock up the converter and shift to OD while running pavement.

fingers crossed.. that will prbly be a later this week things.