Moog Quality

[swshawaii]

RockAuto doesn't list front Akebono pads for calipers that have larger bores for phenolic pistons. I'm using Wagner Severe Duty SX833B semi-metallic pads that I have no complaints with. Find the stopping power MUCH better than the Wagner QC833B ceramics I had before with no noticeable increase in brake dust. I guess going back to ceramic isn't an upgrade in terms of stopping power. Don't see the Motorcraft's you recommend for my ST. Are those for regular Explorers?

If you remember koda2000 recently had an issue with regular Explorer pads for his ST.

Solved - Weird front brake pad issue on '01 Sport Trac

Hey Guys. I haven't been here for months, but I have a problem with strange front brake pad contact/wear on my '01 Sport Trac RWD. First some background... I decided that it was time to replace the front rotors on my Sport Trac. The old ones were very worn and had gotten very rusty while the...

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[CDW6212R]

RockAuto doesn't list front Akebono pads for calipers that have larger bores for phenolic pistons that I have. I'm currently using Wagner Severe Duty SX833B semi-metallic pads that I have no complaints with. I find the stopping power MUCH better than the Wagner QC833B ceramics I had before with no noticeable increase in brake dust. I guess going back to ceramic isn't an upgrade in terms of stopping power. Don't see the Motorcraft's you recommend for my ST. Those for regular Explorers?

If you remember koda2000 recently had an issue with regular Explorer pads for his ST.

Solved - Weird front brake pad issue on '01 Sport Trac

Hey Guys. I haven't been here for months, but I have a problem with strange front brake pad contact/wear on my '01 Sport Trac RWD. First some background... I decided that it was time to replace the front rotors on my Sport Trac. The old ones were very worn and had gotten very rusty while the...

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I'm sorry, I forgot you had a later model truck and front brakes. Koda did have a pad issue, the wrong pad(2nd gen pads) in his late/Sport(and ST) calipers. I was happy to discover the new upper level of SD pads Ford made, years ago. I didn't see the older stock pads as good enough, I'd been using EBC pads for many years before that.

Looking at the Sport Trac pads on RA, there's a few that might be worth trying, those you mentioned, and the two Power Stop pads like this one;

More Information for POWER STOP Z36833

I doubt you have any real braking troubles, but if wear or long life was an issue, if the 05 Sport Trac has the same spindles and rotors as the 01 Sport Trac etc, the 95-01 caliper is a direct swap. I didn't mind phenolic caliper pistons until I found them cracking in my old Crown Vic police model. Severe heat is bad for the phenolic pistons.

Your rotors are the larger 12" size, so they are a step above the early 2nd gen's, but the calipers are not an upgrade, they are just different.

 

[C420sailor]

I just pressed in new Moog lowers. They have a newer boot design (at least since I last installed a set). It’s like an internal boot. Interesting, and held grease well when I pumped it up.

The uppers are getting sent back to RockAuto

 

[swshawaii]

The uppers are getting sent back to RockAuto

Bought two uppers for only the boots. Parts bags were slightly different, but both have the same number. @C420sailor, were yours the same type bags?

 

[C420sailor]

Yes, mine were the ones on the right. Orange stripe on bag.

 

[Argentimage]

Buy your truck some OEM Motorcraft BRSD652 pads, the severe duty from Rock Auto, $42.99 plus shipping and taxes;

More Information for MOTORCRAFT BRSD652

I've been delivering mail with those for several years now.

A CNC machine will run anywhere in the world, doesn't matter where it is plugged in. If it is programmed correctly and the raw material is decent grade you will get a quality part. Environmentalism for profit has killed manufacturing in the US, the solution to saving the planet is outsource to less regulated countries. Anything you buy made in China is like a box of cracker jack, you wonder if the prize is a letter pleading for help.

I replaced front hubs with moog - lasted a week, howling junk. Went back to Timkin OE and good for nearly 100k miles since.

 

[J$hort]

Who was the retailer? Is it possible that the parts were previously owned or returned? This is no normal for MOOG parts and I completely disagree with MOOG parts being a crap shoot like many other gypsy brands. Not saying QC could have missed this, but it does not seem likely.

 

[Mbrooks420]

Who was the retailer? Is it possible that the parts were previously owned or returned? This is no normal for MOOG parts and I completely disagree with MOOG parts being a crap shoot like many other gypsy brands. Not saying QC could have missed this, but it does not seem likely.

Moog quality is crap compared to 15 years ago. It’s no better than the next random brand

Moog is made by the exact same manufacturers of the “gypsy” brands. They don’t make their stuff in house, it’s all outsourced to the cheapest parts vendor.

 

[funwithbono]

Wondering if anyone else has had similar issues recently.

Been using Moog suspension parts for a very long time. Ordered replacement upper ball joints for my Moog arms. On arrival, both boots were torn to shreds in the packaging. I mean one was in 5-7 pieces, and the other one was about torn in half. Thank god I checked the parts before I pulled the old joints. Weird to have TWO identically bad units. Bad batch maybe?

The rubber boot was MUCH thinner than the Moog joint I have in the truck. Maybe they’re pinching pennies and making the boots paper thin?

Thoughts?

View attachment 331016Very sad. Same issues with everything moog. I’m done with them! Couldn’t even get a warranty reply for 6 month old front stabil links for my ‘16 sport. thrashed after just 6 months! MOOG is gone!

 

[traveler]

NAPA carries Akebono parts

 

[swshawaii]

Who was the retailer? Is it possible that the parts were previously owned or returned?

^ My exact thoughts. Reason I asked in post #4 if the parts bags were sealed and never got an answer. VERY common for unscrupulous weasels to open and switch parts then return them to sellers that don't inspect returned product. Sometimes they are even resealed by heat shrinking. Happened to me with a Motorcraft door lock actuator and a TPS from Amazon. Luckily their return policy is usually fair and they ate the return shipping after my RA's were approved.

Were both Moog's clear plastic parts bags sealed? Bottom boot in pic looks like broken dust boot remnants I removed from a Moog UCA that was only installed for 2-3 years. We all know Moog doesn't offer boots separately, and they usually fail long before the ball joints themselves. Happened to me with a Moog TRE purchased from Amazon and their lenient, but careless return policies. Appeared the previous buyer cleaned their old, broken TRE boot thoroughly and returned it in an opened package after pulling the switcheroo.

 

[Xylene]

Wondering if anyone else has had similar issues recently.

Been using Moog suspension parts for a very long time. Ordered replacement upper ball joints for my Moog arms. On arrival, both boots were torn to shreds in the packaging. I mean one was in 5-7 pieces, and the other one was about torn in half. Thank god I checked the parts before I pulled the old joints. Weird to have TWO identically bad units. Bad batch maybe?

The rubber boot was MUCH thinner than the Moog joint I have in the truck. Maybe they’re pinching pennies and making the boots paper thin?

Thoughts?

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I didn't have that problem out of the package but I did replace my ball joints and sway bars. All of the boots on them have failed already with under 15K miles on them.

 

[swshawaii]

^ Yer singing to the EF choir. LOL

 

[donalds]

I used mevotech boots have been mint so far

 

[C420sailor]

Sorry, yes the bags were sealed.

The damaged boots were immaculate. Very clean. I highly doubt they were previously installed but who knows.

As for the post about the Moog hubs, I made that mistake once. I get 100k+ out of Timkens. Accidentally bought a Moog hub a few years back and it barely lasted half as long. Actually caused me lots of headaches because I had a growl and thought ‘no way it could be the bearing this soon.’

 

[NigonKouk]

Wondering if anyone else has had similar issues recently.

Been using Moog suspension parts for a very long time. Ordered replacement upper ball joints for my Moog arms. On arrival, both boots were torn to shreds in the packaging. I mean one was in 5-7 pieces, and the other one was about torn in half. Thank god I checked the parts before I pulled the old joints. Weird to have TWO identically bad units. Bad batch maybe?

The rubber boot was MUCH thinner than the Moog joint I have in the truck. Maybe they’re pinching pennies and making the boots paper thin?

Thoughts?

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I think it probably got by the person who was watching the assembly line, conveyor belt process, and everything is becoming lesser quality now days except TV's.

 

[Mbrooks420]

I think it probably got by the person who was watching the assembly line, conveyor belt process, and everything is becoming lesser quality now days except TV's.

That’s not really how manufacturing works. Quality is driven by sampling random portions of the lots of parts. Most often QC pulls a case, or some portion of the lot and tests 100% of the parts in that lot. They typical have a percentage of deviation that’s allowed, and anything over the threshold initiates a hold on the product.

 

[swshawaii]

+3. Credibility and honesty are the REAL issues when it comes to internet reviews.

Learned that long ago after a Yelp! fiasco I had to deal with for my business. Not surprising my competitors were involved.

 

[Josh P]

I think it is good that people talk about quality issues. Sometimes reading online reviews can be difficult cause you don't know if someone has a bone to pick or a legit issue.

 

[CDW6212R]

Ditto, reviews are hard to make conclusions from, you have to read a bunch of them to learn anything.