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Hopefully when the Ford Explorer is redesigned and comes with a rear wheel drive, there is more space to put a water pump in the correct place, and that they will do so like they do with the F-150. Allowing coolant to leak into the engine bay has to be the dumbest thing any engineer has allowed. I'm personally waiting for a MY2020 or MY2021 redesign, and if you had time to wait, I'd say wait until then to get the Explorer.
 



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For someone who keeps their vehicle 7-10yrs my only suggestion would be to purchase the Extended Warranty.

Regardless if it's foreign or domestic, the vehicles now have so many modules controlling vehicle functionality the cost of a module replacement almost equals the Extended Warranty cost. Just think about out of warranty repair parts and labor on any brand.

The Ford Premium Care for 7yrs is a great deal for the person who wants coverage through the life of their vehicle. I think that package is $1200-$1500 depending on where you purchase it. That's equal to just one major repair.

The Japenese products maybe do have fewer issues overall after 7-10 yrs but IMHO their styling is 5-7 yrs behind Domestic products.

I.E. Honda Pilot is a very well built vehicle but seriously who designed that thing?

Personal choice I guess
 






Sgt1411, I agree the Pilot is a great vehicle but they really screwed up the design....
 






Sgt1411, I agree the Pilot is a great vehicle but they really screwed up the design....
I read an article today comparing the Pilot to the mid line Explorer and although the Ex scored higher in tech and interior the Pilot won out overall. I believe it was 8.3 to 7.6.
 






Just to add/clarify, the NA 3.5 has been out since 2006 so we are on year 11 of them despite being in the Explorer for 6 years. They were in the Flex and 5th gen Taurus.

The only concern with the drive train is the water pump and the PTU. Overall, the motor is very reliable and Ford knows transmissions and have really good reliability with them.

I have had 2 Ford Transmission rebuilds. One was on an older 3rd gen Explorer at approx 170k miles which I would consider a decent life, and the other on my 2016 Ex Sport with 16k miles. I would probably say Ford has average transmission reliability, but it has gotten worse over the last 5-10 years.

I will say that Ford has backed up any issues I have had with my 2016 100% and repaired everything under warranty. I have been back twice so far (transmission, airbag) for warranty work and have to schedule a 3rd visit for the popping noise in the front end.
 






Sgt1411, I agree the Pilot is a great vehicle but they really screwed up the design....
Yes, I agree, I believe Honda realized the previos generation pilot was far too much truck for the average female or soccer mom and were probably loosing share.

So my personal opinion is that they went a full 180 and designed it to be far more appealing to the female segment and voila... the current version....I'm not a fan.
 






I read an article today comparing the Pilot to the mid line Explorer and although the Ex scored higher in tech and interior the Pilot won out overall. I believe it was 8.3 to 7.6.

Interesting, I just read "2017 GMC Acadia vs. 2017 Ford Explorer: Head to Head" and with the exception of cargo space the Acadia won all categories: pricing; performance; off road performance; interior comfort and space; interior technology; safety; and reliability. You can Google the title and you'll be able to find it.

Also, in the brand new Consumer Reports "Best & Worst New & Used Cars", the Ford Explorer was overall ranked 12th in a field of 16 Midsized SUV's. The top four recommended SUV's were the Toyota Highlander, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Santa Fe, and the Honda Pilot. The predicted reliability of the Explorer was less average, but not the worst category, with owner satisfaction being average.
 






Interesting, I just read "2017 GMC Acadia vs. 2017 Ford Explorer: Head to Head" and with the exception of cargo space the Acadia won all categories: pricing; performance; off road performance; interior comfort and space; interior technology; safety; and reliability. You can Google the title and you'll be able to find it.

Also, in the brand new Consumer Reports "Best & Worst New & Used Cars", the Ford Explorer was overall ranked 12th in a field of 16 Midsized SUV's. The top four recommended SUV's were the Toyota Highlander, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Santa Fe, and the Honda Pilot. The predicted reliability of the Explorer was less average, but not the worst category, with owner satisfaction being average.


While I agree some of those SUV's have a higher reliability I always find those tests so subjective. I have the opportunity to drive all four of those "top four recommended" SUV's at work on a regular basis.

I completely disagree with Consumer Reports on pretty much everything else, I think they are misleading.

For example: When you close the door on the Santa Fe it's much tinier than the Explorer, road noise is much louder. The interior materials and finish is a much lower grade than the Explorer. The vehicle is much less stable at speed and if you drive aggressively in any of those 4 they are nowhere near as stable as the Explorer. Seats are nowhere near as comfortable after sitting in them for 10 hrs.

And when you have to hit another vehicle hard with them they don't do as much damage......oops wait a second maybe that's not a fair test for everyone, cancel that comparison.

We have an all black Highlander and the interior looks like it's 100% black velour, kinda like the track suit George Costanza wore.

I always have to remind myself when reading Consumer Reports.......those are mostly the opinions of old guys that have already surpassed their ability to absorb new technology and adapt well to changes. They are set in their ways and won't change no matter what they drive.

I'm not interested in evaluating a vehicle based on how well a 300lb 60 yr old gets in and out of the driver's seat, how well the vehicle allows a wheelchair or walker to be loaded in the rear storage, or how easy it is to change my diaper in the back seat.

Personally, the styling of all four of those is enough to say no, even if they did outperform the Explorer, but again it's a personal choice.
 






While I agree some of those SUV's have a higher reliability I always find those tests so subjective.

I agree on any road test there is subjectivity involved, so it's best to test drive vehicles before choosing one. The categories I spoke about were more on the objective, reliability and owner satisfaction, and unfortunately or fortunately there is a strong relationship between these two topics. Generally speaking, vehicles with high reliability tend to have a higher rating of owner satisfaction.
 






Interesting, I just read "2017 GMC Acadia vs. 2017 Ford Explorer: Head to Head" and with the exception of cargo space the Acadia won all categories: pricing; performance; off road performance; interior comfort and space; interior technology; safety; and reliability. You can Google the title and you'll be able to find it.

Also, in the brand new Consumer Reports "Best & Worst New & Used Cars", the Ford Explorer was overall ranked 12th in a field of 16 Midsized SUV's. The top four recommended SUV's were the Toyota Highlander, Kia Sorento, Hyundai Santa Fe, and the Honda Pilot. The predicted reliability of the Explorer was less average, but not the worst category, with owner satisfaction being average.


The comparison between the 17 Acadia and the 17 Explorer might be a better test.

I got to do a daily comparison between my 2014 Explorer Sport and my wife's 13 Acadia Denali for 3 years.

Admittedly the Acadia was better in some areas, but it's much heavier, at least feels heavier when you drive it, it's nowhere as nimble in traffic. Its AWD system is good but not as sophisticated as the Explorer, when you would go lock to lock in the Acadia the AWD system would start that lurching like the AWD was working against itself.

Multimedia system not as advanced as the Explorer's and even with the issues MFT had the Acadia's system had an issue where the audio system would make a loud "POP" on start up and we could never get it resolved at the dealer.

The mileage was worse than the Explorers.

The Acadia is quieter, better sound deadening, and interior fit and finish was better. Ingress/egress for 2nd and 3rd row passengers is better in the Acadia.

It also had several TSB and issues across the product line that were resolved through the dealer.

The 2017 Acadia has really improved over the previous model so it may even be higher quality but the top of the line Acadia Denali was more than the top of the line Explorer when I leased them.
 






If you read the review of the Acadia vs the Explorer it is pretty obvious that I doubt the person who did the review took out either car. They erroneously said that the Explorer is only available with a 6 speaker stereo system and they listed only the features of the very base model, while comparing it to an Acadia loaded with more features. Obviously, even if you step up to the XLT model, you are getting way more features to compare against. Didn't the reviewer at least try to look at other features in the Ford? Obvious bias here.

Secondly, the section in that review on off-road performance doesn't even make sense. It says in the first paragraph something to the effect of the explorer is less maneuverable. However, in the second paragraph they note that the explorer is better equipped to handle off road terrain because of the management system, but yet the Acadia won.

My money is on that this person who wrote this just read a couple other reviews and then looked at some stats and wrote this garbage. I'm sure this article has more garbage in it too, but these things stood out. No one should pay attention to these things. The proof is in the driving.
 






"Though neither Acadia engine is particularly muscular, they both get the job done. Ford’s base engine, a 3.5-liter V6, tends to struggle on steep climbs and at highway speeds.":eek:

Hmmm? What kind of 'steep climb' is she talking about? I haven't had the occasion to have a problem with a steep climb myself other than having to push on the gas a bit more. It also 'struggles' at highway speeds? Really? I guess I got one of the good ones because I've never had a thought about my Ex's 'struggles' at highway speed. Probably because it doesn't. To me, that was a 'planted' suggestion. My experience with the 'struggling' Ford V6 is I haven't had any experience in the engine struggling to do it job. As a matter of fact, I think it's amazing a little 213 cu. in. V6 engine can handle an almost 5000 lb. vehicle with not too much effort. Even before I put a tune on it. With the tune, it just makes it better. But, I never thought to myself, "Gee, I wish this thing had more power". This coming from a person who previously owned a '13 Mustang GT/CS. That little engine is more than adequate to power the Ex, IMO.

"The Ford Explorer feels bulkier than the GMC Acadia and doesn’t handle rough terrain as well..."o_O

I always find the opinions of many of these people who write the articles hilarious. When I read something like this, I'm thinking it's geared toward city folk whose idea of 'off roading' is a dirt road. Look at the picture they have with the Acadia on a 'dirt road' approaching a...mud puddle. Now, that's off roading! :thumbsup:....:rolleyes: Look, I'm not going to kid myself into thinking these SUV types can go off roading to any degree other than a dirt road or something that may have a rock or two to deal with. It make no sense to me that my Ex could handle 'rough terrain' like my 4x4 Ranger could. Anybody looking to buy this type of vehicle because of it's 'off roading prowess' is kidding themselves.

"While the Acadia's base four-cylinder engine is adequate for daily driving, upgrading to the top of the line V6 engine is recommended. The upgraded engine is quieter and more refined. Each engine comes mated to a six-speed automatic transmission."

Since GM and Ford developed the tranny in the Ex and both manufactures use this tranny in different models, I wonder if they both use the same tranny?

Anyway, as for myself, I've never used an article wrote about a vehicle to influence my decision to buy a particular vehicle. In my view, these articles are each wrote by one person so, if you are going to use an article to any degree of your purchasing decision, you could read 10 different articles and still only have 10 different opinions. My decision is based pretty much on my own testing and that to me, is the bottom line. Since I've had my Ex, it has been quite sufficient in anything I throw at it. As for the Acadia, I'm sure it would also be quite sufficient. I also stay away from perceptions about one manufacturer over another. They all have their sorted problems and the 'perceptions' are usually driven by discrimination of one manufacturer over another . I haven't run into any problems with the new vehicles I've bought over the years. My Ex was 'born' on a Monday. I don't remember about what manufacture days to stay away from when purchasing but, I think Monday is one but, I also think that that concept is an old wives tail type of thing anyway. Anyway, keeping it real is how I approach things like this and so far, it's served me well. YMMV, of course. :thumbsup:
 






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