Nitrous Oxide Systems

[XtraExplorer]

I have a '97 XLT V6 SOHC stock engine, with 102,000 miles and was wondering if it was wise to install a nitrous system, does anybody knoes anything about it and could suggest some products. Thanks

 

[Slick]

just from what i've heard, NOS is bad for your engine, and it prolly would be really bad for an engine with 102,000 miles on it. But its your choice.

Slick

 

[jimbo74]

just for clarification, it isnt nitrous that is bad for your engine. however, it is a pressurized gas that effectively forces more air into your cylinders...kinda like a supercharger....it will cause a decrease in engine longevity because it will cause more wear and tear by burning at higher force fed temperatures and forcing the engine to work harder....at this same time it will provide you with instant power but a lot of shortened engine life.....also, NOS is a company that sells several nitrous systems(Nitrous Oxide Systems). i know it is commonly used as just i have "nos" in my car.......kinda like how everyone calls locking pliers or waterpump pliers --vise-grips or channellocks........

 

[QuadCam]

I love the juice!!!

My V8 explorer loves the juice. I put a shift kit in the tranny, and a 120 shot of n20 on the motor. with the AWD, it launches like a raped ape. troll and blk mk8 can attest to the massive torque influx of the nitorus.

as far as nitrous not being safe on your engine. that is really a load. make sure you have a good fuel system, proper timing, and an experienced professional adjust the nitrous system. the rest is up to you. if something feels strange or you hear a ping, take your foot off the gas!!!

 

[jimbo74]

Re: I love the juice til my engine blows

do some researh YOU ARE WRONG!

Originally posted by QuadCam

as far as nitrous not being safe on your engine. that is really a load.

 

[QuadCam]

if you read the rest of my post, i state that it is necessary to have a proper set-up. Are you trying to say that nitrous use is more dangerous than other forms of un-naturally aspirating your engine? I would like to hear your argument other than "do some research."

of course ,there are greater stresses on your engine's internal parts due to the increased torque all the way across the rpm band; also, nitrous causes increased combustion temperatures during use, but you need to remember that average street car will only be using the nitrous for less than 1% of your driving time. if you were using nitrous every time you put your foot to the floor, you would need a refill ever 10 miles.

i love turbo and supercharging, but dollar for dollar, nitrous always wins out.

Andrew

 

[jimbo74]

ok you are right....i am saying that any form of force fed induction will hurt the engine to some extent......but i agree...it is ok in your case and in most if properly tuned...heck, to some extent my flow 40 and k&n probably will kill the engine sooner than a stock engine.

 

[rockymntnhi]

I've used NOS Before , loved it.... Nos will cuase minimal loss of engine live ! if used correctly and responibily !!! The safest systems are the EFI (DRY) kit's they allow the NOS and fuel to fully atomize before the mixture enters the intake manifold , and shut down if they sense a drop in fuel pressure... Never use a shot to big for the motor to handle on ford V6 I would say nomore than a 75 shot , thats about 62 H.P's to the ground , if that's not enough for you than look into a custom turboset-up (about $ 3000+) You could go 100+ shot but for how long???? I would recommend a EFI kit to anybody if they don't push the limit of the motor... Also consider this, Nos kit, adjustable fuel riser, air/fuel guage ,nos pressure guage ,misc. will cost $775 aprox. + pro-intall if needed avg. $150 = $925 and then an avg. of $35 to re-fill the bottle depending on the shot , that should be good for12 QM runs. So if you re-fill the bottle once a week =$1820 a year ,My point (sorry to ramble on) Invest all that $$$$ and buy a SUPERCHARGER...

 

[QuadCam]

I had never been a nitrous proponent until I put the kit in my explorer, but it was just too easy and too cheap to pass up. $600 (installed) and a 120 hp boost

unfortunately, nitrous has had a bad rap from the beginning. It was somewhat of an enigma back in the early 80s, and alot of engines were hurt in the experimentation days. still today, nitrous gets a bad rap when people abuse it. too often, I see people changing jets and upping the "shot" without any regards to upping their fuel system capabilities.

the car runs super lean and melts a piston or 2 or 3.

 

[Jornum1]

Quad,
I have been very interested in putting a NOS dry kit in my SOHC. I do drive pretty hard, but I am not worried about abuse of the nitrous. I love my truck too much to put it in any danger of over use. The speed shop by me said they would put a NOS brand dry kit in with the 75Hp shot for about the same as yours was. I cant have my chip in then can I? The reason is because of the change in the fuel mixture that the chip does right? they only real reason I like the chip is because of the shifting changes. Could I get superchips to customize it so it takes out whatever would effect the use of NOS? My truck is beginning to look really fast, I want it to be able to back it up also. What do you think? anybody elses opinions are welcome. Also what is overuse of the nitrous. More then once or twice a week?

 

[QuadCam]

I am not using a chip with my setup. I put in a shift kit from baumann engineering for the tranny.

the 5.0 in my explorer was designed to run on 87 gas.

now that I have nitrous, i fill up on 93 octane. my nitrous kit is currently jetted at around 120 hp, and I have no pinging running on 93. the only down side is that when I am not using the nitrous, the 93 octane isn't exactly optimum for my engine.

I'm dure that a 75 hp shot will be fine on your sohc 4.0. remember that if you go over a 75 shot, you will need to add a high volume inline fuel pump.

Andrew

 

[blk mk8]

Nos is a good thing. i will leave it at that.

 

[DOGMAN]

NOS is the best bang for the buck going for max HP. Today's systems do work well, but anytime you're coaxing significant increases in power from the stock rotating assembly, the possibility of premature wear or failure is increased.

The major downside to NOS, in my opinion, is that it only works with WOT (wide open throttle). But hey, whatever floats your boat. If you want to scream around with the go pedal glued to the floor quite often, NOS is the ticket. But proper application and installation is a must - see a pro.

 

[blk mk8]

just make sure the guys installing it are not stupid. the guy who intalled quadcams is a nos expert. if you want to kept the chip you should send it out and get the flip chip so you can have one with stock timing and fuel with speed governer and rev moved up, then on the other one for no nos have the standered chip programed. the chip is made so that when you flip it it can arm the nos. if you need more info email me.

 

[Jornum1]

Blk MK8 your email isnt listed in your profile. I would like to email you to ask some more questions about the flip chip. Sounds like just what I am looking for.
Please either post your email, or send me it at Jornum1@aol.com
Thanks for your help

 

[Jornum1]

well I emailed superchips, and surpisingly got a response in a few hours. Not bad. But anway, they said I had to get a brand a new flip chip, that my existing one wouldnt be compatable. So the new one is 425 bucks. So I wil have to wait a month or so for the nitrous. Anyone want to buy a chip for a 99 sport, code CDE4? Let me know.

 

[FMExplorer]

Quad Cam,
You guys do some cool stuff to your toys man!

What happend to Blk MkVIII? I noticed it's dead??

I have a quick question for you. I am hoping to do a supercharger in a few months on my explorer and building a new 4.0 later in the year. Am I wasting my time bolting the sc up to my current 4.0? Longevity isn't an issue because I want a new motor anyhow. I'm gonna have to make a trip out your way to see what you guys are doing. Do you work on high performance mods for a living?

Jon

 

[blk mk8]

my email is danrotolante@hotmail.com . try and sell your chip or if not i can see what kind of trade in value i can give you on it if you buy it through me. the flip chip is going to be the best way to go. i might be able to get a difrent brand cheaper then the superchips and just as good. if you are going to use a supercharger on your 4.0 it will run pretty good but i would get the vortech and leave it with the stock pulley and then build up the second motor with a ported head, bigger cam, and low compression piston and turn up to the boost on the blower. the 4.0 are pretty strong motors i am putting on vortech supercharger next week on a 4.0 ranger am going to do a before and after with the blower.

 

[FMExplorer]

Thanks for the input Blk Mrk VIII,

That is kind of along the lines I was thinking. What is the difference between the bbk and the vortech superchargers? Are they similiar in cost, or is there a huge performance difference between the two? Thanks...

Jon

 

[blk mk8]

there is some price difrence. you can get the vortech kit a little cheaper then the bbk you could get it a lot cheaper if you shop around. all so the bbk will not be able to genarate as much boost as the vortech. if you are building the motor you would want the vortech because you can repullie it for a lot of boost. the only advantage is the bbk give a little more boost out of the hole there for the bbk power curve will gain the same percantage across the hole power curve. the vortech curve will keep increasing in power until it hits redline. i would go vortech but there are some people here that would argue that point but what ever. i seen the a lot of real world cars with both types of blower that is where i get my experiance from.