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First the story.

Some azzhole CHP was driving 85mph+ (traffic was going ~78mph and this guy flew passed me) by himself, going in and out of the carpool lane, crossing the double yellow without his lights on. I know there is no "code" to drive like that without lights on, so I called the Westminster station and made a complaint. She said I was the 8th call on this guy in 2 minutes.

So, my question is...
Will this guy actually get written up, or will they not even do anything about it?

I really hope you don't say the latter of the two, because I'll drive to the Westminster station and tell them what car # it was, sit there and watch them do something about it.
 



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... because I'll drive to the Westminster station and tell them what car # it was, sit there and watch them do something about it.
Ouu, if you do that, tell me -- I'll come there, sit and enjoy event :D
 












Wow...

First the story.

Some azzhole CHP was driving 85mph+ (traffic was going ~78mph and this guy flew passed me) by himself, going in and out of the carpool lane, crossing the double yellow without his lights on. I know there is no "code" to drive like that without lights on, so I called the Westminster station and made a complaint. She said I was the 8th call on this guy in 2 minutes.

So, my question is...
Will this guy actually get written up, or will they not even do anything about it?

I really hope you don't say the latter of the two, because I'll drive to the Westminster station and tell them what car # it was, sit there and watch them do something about it.

My .02.... nothing will come of it because he will be able to justify it. Also, they do that regularly down here on the fwy, on the street too.

And do you think they'll let you see a disciplinary action if there was one?
 












Sound like this?

ncident: 0002 Type: Location: info as of: 12/28/2007 12:23:28 AM
ADDITIONAL DETAILS
7:33PM GOOD NIGHT, TMC LINES CLOSED, FOR INFO CALL 949-559-7888^
3:18PM TMC LINES ARE OPEN^
2:49PM TMC LINES TEMPORARILY CLOSED^
11:13AM SIGALERT CANCELLED, LOG 159, NB 405 AT MCFADDEN AVE^
11:02AM GOOD MORNING, MIO LUNDGREN ON DUTY, TMC LINES OPEN^
RESPONDING OFFICERS STATUS
12:00AM CHP Unit On Scene
 












BKennedy is busy tending to the horses :D
 






Not likely...

Uhhh...what?

I'm just asking if an officer will get written up or not.

Usually they'll get written up if they end up on the ground because of careless driving (outside of guidelines/recklessness). But if says he was en route, no write up. If he's just reckless, he'll end up in a body cast at some point. I'd let him go...
 






But if says he was en route, no write up.
If he was en route, shouldnt he have turned on the lights, or a siren (or two)?
 






This would put him about the place and time he was speeding this afternoon?

2:49PM TMC LINES TEMPORARILY CLOSED^
11:13AM SIGALERT CANCELLED, LOG 159, NB 405 AT MCFADDEN AVE^
11:02AM GOOD MORNING, MIO LUNDGREN ON DUTY, TMC LINES OPEN^
 






not always...

If he was en route, shouldnt he have turned on the lights, or a siren (or two)?

in this area it's common to see them doing 65+ in 40 zone... no lights no sirens.
 






I guess my question is (which probably isn't the same question as Froader's so in reality, I'm a terrorist hijacking this thread!), does speeding to get to the scene faster require a cop to turn on either the lights or the siren?
 






Technically, they are supposed to have lights and sirens if the situation calls for it... but that's not always the case. OC is not L.A, they do things differently here. They move around pretty easily w/o lights or sirens...
 






Have a look at what's going on around here... it's pretty hairy sometimes. These people are law enforcement... The department wouldn't likely deal with a write up for the above officer's actions... Not that they are corrupt, but it's just difficult to prove they were doing anything wrong...

had to ditch the links... got friends that don't wanna see that there :shifty_ey
 






It doesn't matter where it is (and I know it doesn't happen) but, if they don't have their lights on they are supposed to obey all traffic laws, lights, stop signs, etc...

This would put him about the place and time he was speeding this afternoon?

2:49PM TMC LINES TEMPORARILY CLOSED^
11:13AM SIGALERT CANCELLED, LOG 159, NB 405 AT MCFADDEN AVE^
11:02AM GOOD MORNING, MIO LUNDGREN ON DUTY, TMC LINES OPEN^

That's not even close. He got off the 405 N at Palo Verde, and it was closer to 12:45pm.

IZWack said:
I guess my question is, does speeding to get to the scene faster require a cop to turn on either the lights or the siren?
Yes.

Code 1 - Acknowledge this Call (non-emergency, obey traffic laws)
Code 2 - Proceed Immediately without lights/without Siren (non-emergency, obey traffic laws)
Code 3 - Proceed Immediately with lights and Siren (emergency)
 






You are correct, he's outside of the law... but you know they won't do much. I'd go too just to see this... it's 2:00. Good night!
 






Okay, lots of questions on this thread.

Yes, it is legal for a law enforcement vehicle to exceed the speed limit, make lane changes, etc., WITHOUT any emergency lights activated, if he is responding to a call and the OFFICER decides the emergency lights will only hinder his progress; Since most people just slam on the brakes in front of the patrol car or slow down without yielding the right of way. Some officers in cities get in the habit of not using the lights unless in slow traffic or clearing intersections just because people are so clueless they don't get out of the way when the lights are on and it takes longer to arrive wherever he is needed. It would be nice if he had his rear "excuse me" lights (rear blue/yellow warning lights) on just to let people know he was not just goofing off, but they are not required to be activated either. If an officer does not use his emergency lights while responding to a call, he does add significant liability to his department if he is involved in a collision.

Yes, sometimes the new guys (and some old guys) get carried away and need a spankin'. If he got eight complaint calls in a few minutes, I can assure you, he got spanked, unless he had a very good reason, which doesn't sound like it to me.

Officers are very busy in that part of the state, and are constantly running from one call to the next. Sometimes, just like anyone else, they get pissed off and drive like idiots. The CHP has the same staffing levels for officer as they did in 1978, and the population in California has more than tripled. Also staff jobs for officers take nearly 1/4 of them off the road, where they belong, and into offices, with new inside jobs being created every day. Especially after 911 (there is a whole new division of the CHP dedicated to anti-terrorism). If you do the math, its amazing you even see CHP cars on the highway. They are usually parked writing one of the many reports they have to handle each day.

And, if you use the 911 system to call in a complaint, you are committing a misdemeanor, and only further jamming up the already overloaded system. So, if you chose to complain about an officer, please call the local station house or the dispatch non-emergency numbers. Heck, you can even complain on line at the CHP's website (I don't really like this form of complaint because it goes to internal affairs first, then down to the division headquarters, then to the area office, which makes it hard for anything fair to happen regarding the officer). Usually, all an officer needs (they are a fairly smart, capable bunch on the whole), is to get called into the Sergeants office and told to "close the door". This is a precurser to a serious A$% chewing which usually starts with "What the F%^& do you think you were doing out there today??!!!" Every department does have its problem children, just like in any large corporation, and the supervisor's already know who they are and are not suprised when the phone starts ringing. They usually get whats called "progressive discipline", which could start at a written censure and work all the way up to dismissal.


"The department wouldn't likely deal with a write up for the above officer's actions..."

WRONG!
If a complaint gets formally filed with the CHP, it gets worked......and the outcome (sustained / unfounded / no finding) gets mailed in a letter to the complainent. There are piles of complaint forms, and some supervisors just dying to whip them out. The actual disciplinary action taken is confidential under the Peace Officers Bill of Rights, California Law protecting the privicy rights of a officer. Besides, its just none of anybody's business how much spanking occurred, just that he or she was in the wrong and that action was taken to correct the behavior.
 









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No need to yell...

Okay, lots of questions on this thread.

Yes, it is legal for a law enforcement vehicle to exceed the speed limit, make lane changes, etc., WITHOUT any emergency lights activated, if he is responding to a call and the OFFICER decides the emergency lights will only hinder his progress; Since most people just slam on the brakes in front of the patrol car or slow down without yielding the right of way. Some officers in cities get in the habit of not using the lights unless in slow traffic or clearing intersections just because people are so clueless they don't get out of the way when the lights are on and it takes longer to arrive wherever he is needed. It would be nice if he had his rear "excuse me" lights (rear blue/yellow warning lights) on just to let people know he was not just goofing off, but they are not required to be activated either. If an officer does not use his emergency lights while responding to a call, he does add significant liability to his department if he is involved in a collision.

Yes, sometimes the new guys (and some old guys) get carried away and need a spankin'. If he got eight complaint calls in a few minutes, I can assure you, he got spanked, unless he had a very good reason, which doesn't sound like it to me.

Officers are very busy in that part of the state, and are constantly running from one call to the next. Sometimes, just like anyone else, they get pissed off and drive like idiots. The CHP has the same staffing levels for officer as they did in 1978, and the population in California has more than tripled. Also staff jobs for officers take nearly 1/4 of them off the road, where they belong, and into offices, with new inside jobs being created every day. Especially after 911 (there is a whole new division of the CHP dedicated to anti-terrorism). If you do the math, its amazing you even see CHP cars on the highway. They are usually parked writing one of the many reports they have to handle each day.

And, if you use the 911 system to call in a complaint, you are committing a misdemeanor, and only further jamming up the already overloaded system. So, if you chose to complain about an officer, please call the local station house or the dispatch non-emergency numbers. Heck, you can even complain on line at the CHP's website (I don't really like this form of complaint because it goes to internal affairs first, then down to the division headquarters, then to the area office, which makes it hard for anything fair to happen regarding the officer). Usually, all an officer needs (they are a fairly smart, capable bunch on the whole), is to get called into the Sergeants office and told to "close the door". This is a precurser to a serious A$% chewing which usually starts with "What the F%^& do you think you were doing out there today??!!!" Every department does have its problem children, just like in any large corporation, and the supervisor's already know who they are and are not suprised when the phone starts ringing. They usually get whats called "progressive discipline", which could start at a written censure and work all the way up to dismissal.


"The department wouldn't likely deal with a write up for the above officer's actions..."

WRONG!
If a complaint gets formally filed with the CHP, it gets worked......and the outcome (sustained / unfounded / no finding) gets mailed in a letter to the complainent. There are piles of complaint forms, and some supervisors just dying to whip them out. The actual disciplinary action taken is confidential under the Peace Officers Bill of Rights, California Law protecting the privicy rights of a officer. Besides, its just none of anybody's business how much spanking occurred, just that he or she was in the wrong and that action was taken to correct the behavior.

What I was trying to say at 2:00am was that there would likely be no write up because his actions would be justified somehow. If he were written up, of course there would be action taken.

And please don't yell at a guy for something this simple... life is heavy enough. My only concern is that if officers are responding, but get complaints, there will be an enormous waste of time and resources focusing on something that likely was an officer responding... if he had been discharging his weapon in to the air, or riding on one wheel, okay, but I just don't see the need to call an officer to the carpet for doing what appears to be something wrong - if this one is outside of the law, do what you have to, but it'll never end.
 






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