SCT XCAL2 ..help

[rocket 5979]

I'm not.

Whether you realize it or not, you are. Take the example of James having sent you a new tune. It is obvious that if he put the work into modifying your tune for you that he would probably want you to use it, right? So by you asking people in here if you should go ahead and run it or not you are second guessing James. I have seen you do this a few times in this forum with regard to what James provided you as well as some of us other people too. Pick a person to listen to and do it. The more you second guess people in here the more you will end up spinning your tires in the mud and getting nowhere.

 

[storlied]

I did use it, still am. I just like knowing what's going on with my vehicle. He answered my
question about it. He changed the trim so it could run properly with my mixed fuel, until I can fill it Completely with 90.. and then I can go back to the original tune with no problems.

There's nothing wrong with knowing what Exactly gets changed, when you blindly listen to anyone and don't think about it.. you're going to run into problems in the future when people try to rip you off. [I am NOT saying James was trying to rip me off, not even close.. so don't even say it.] But you get my point, right?
Quiklube is a perfect example:
Someone needs their oil changed, and they bring up that everything else needs changed when it doesn't.. the person trusts the mechanic and throws cash at it, even though it didn't need the changes.
Or, they tell the other fluids need changed.. but being you know the vehicle and maintenance, you tell them no thanks.. you save time & money.. not to mention if anything goes wrong with messing with all the other stuff changing the fluids.. ect ect..
You can understand where I'm coming from, right?

 

[rocket 5979]

I did use it, still am. I just like knowing what's going on with my vehicle. He answered my
question about it. He changed the trim so it could run properly with my mixed fuel, until I can fill it Completely with 90.. and then I can go back to the original tune with no problems.

There's nothing wrong with knowing what Exactly gets changed, when you blindly listen to anyone and don't think about it.. you're going to run into problems in the future when people try to rip you off. [I am NOT saying James was trying to rip me off, not even close.. so don't even say it.] But you get my point, right?
Quiklube is a perfect example:
Someone needs their oil changed, and they bring up that everything else needs changed when it doesn't.. the person trusts the mechanic and throws cash at it, even though it didn't need the changes.
Or, they tell the other fluids need changed.. but being you know the vehicle and maintenance, you tell them no thanks.. you save time & money.. not to mention if anything goes wrong with messing with all the other stuff changing the fluids.. ect ect..
You can understand where I'm coming from, right?

There is a difference between wanting to know what was changed with something and asking if you should even run it.

Who said anything about blindly trusting people? I said that you need to stop second guessing people. As I said before, pick a person to listen to and stick with them. Stop asking one person a question then when they answer you it seems like you end up asking the same exact question of another person. That kind of crap gets annoying really quick.

I know where you are attempting to come from but your execution of that idea is all wrong. I am just saying that if you keep this second guessing stuff up you will soon be talking to yourself in here rather than actually having those of us who know this stuff take our time to educate you on these matters. Pick a person whom you believe best qualified to listen to in here and stick with them. Decisiveness is the key here.

 

[storlied]

Stop asking one person a question then when they answer you it seems like you end up asking the same exact question of another person. That kind of crap gets annoying really quick.

See, that's the thing though.. it's nice to get different opinions.. helps me determine what the best thing to do is. It's nice to have more than one person to get information from, that's what these forums are for.
If ya stick with just One person, they could get something wrong and then.. uh oh.. you just broke something. Different people are good at different things.

You don't HAVE to reply to my threads. I'm not trying to be annoying, I'm trying to gather as much information as possible. As earlier stated, I'm learning a lot of this stuff.. all the information you have all given me has helped me understand a lot. I appreciate it. It's just the way I get information and learn things, by getting different views on it.

And just to straighten something up, I did Not ask if I should use it or not.

James sent me a new tune, but didn't say what he changed.. he just said it'll stop the pinging.. what do ya think he changed?
Which tune should I use when I get my tank Completely full of 90?

I asked if anyone could figure what he changed, and which tune to use when my tank is full of 90. With his answer of what he changed, I now know I should use the original tune when my tank is full, but I should use this while I still have a mix in my tank.

 

[aldive]

Once again, you simply don't listen...

Leave the tuning to the pros and those who know what they are doing. Aren't you the kid who had to ask a bunch of questions on replacing an alternator? And now you want to be a tuner?

Slow down and do your homework and a word to the wise, listen to what rocket is saying to you. He is most knowledgeable and is going out ou of his way to help you avoid a catastrophe; head his advice and don't p*** him off.

 

[rocket 5979]

See, that's the thing though.. it's nice to get different opinions.. helps me determine what the best thing to do is. It's nice to have more than one person to get information from, that's what these forums are for.
If ya stick with just One person, they could get something wrong and then.. uh oh.. you just broke something. Different people are good at different things.

Or you end up with 15 different mismatched approaches on how to do things.

And just to straighten something up, I did Not ask if I should use it or not.

Sure looked like it to me. Who do you think would have been the best person to seek advice on your tune would be? James! The reason for this is because he is your tuner and was the one who made your tune. While there are others on here who know how to tune James would be the person for you to ask these tune-specific questions of being that James is the one who is your tuner/dealer. Chances are that I know what items James has changed in your tune for your truck but neither I nor anyone else who knows tuning in here can speak for him. If you have a question about YOUR tune talk to James and no one else.

I am done trying to talk sense into you. It has become apparent that you are too thickheaded and young to understand that I am actually trying to help you out here. Good luck trying to get any advice for long from those of us who actually know what the hell we are talking about.

 

[rocket 5979]

head his advice and don't p*** him off.

Too late. Not pi**ed off but am annoyed. This kid just doesn't want to listen to good reasoning when he hears it. This kid can go his own road alone as far as I am concerned. Best of luck to him.

 

[storlied]

You know, I've gotten 5 comments from people from Ranger-Forum saying you two are being ridiculous, and that my questions and the information provided helped them. One person went as far as to saying this board seems "hostile and unfriendly".

You two need to stop this BS, you even did this crap to Xan.. and all he was trying to do was help. Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't make them wrong.

I like to think this forum is informative, and the community is friendly and quite helpful.. you two ruin this experience.
Yea, I ask some stupid questions sometime, but don't act like you never have.. because you were unsure of something.
No one is perfect.
I've been quite mature and calm through all of your BS trying to shut me down.. to be blunt.. calling me "stupid"
And you sit there and call me a thickheaded kid.
It's bad when other people get the idea this community is unfriendly and hostile because of both of your BS.

 

[jah81592]

Come on guys. Get back on track. I sent Daniel a tune for 90 octane, he failed to mention that he had 87 octane in the tank when I sent him the tune. If I would've known that then I wouldve told him immediately to remove timing. Furthermore on the second tune I adjusted a few parameters in different timing tables to accomodate the lower octane fuel. Actually 15 different parameters were adjusted, so do you really want me to go through them? Delete the tune after you fill up with 90octane as it is only temporary.

Daniel, I can understand what these guys are saying, your pinging problem never should have been brought up in any forum. It should've been directed toward me (which it was) to find a resolution in a timely manner. Debating the problem won't fix what is wrong in the tune since no one other than me has seen the tunefile. The advise was to get with me. If I sent you a tune then trust me, it is going to take care of your problem or be a solution to your problem. Hence the reasoning for me not enabling the end user adjustments as it was only a temporary measure till you could get a full tank of high octane and run the tunefile you purchased. If it isn't let me know and I will send another file. Please note I am not coming down on you but slow down and have patience. I always do my customers right and I don't want that to stop with you. My goal is to have satisfied customers and a positive reputation. I strive for repeat business, I thank you for yours!

Please take note of what Aldive and Rocket say. They are very knowledgeable. But I might add you may have some information we need as well. I am willing to never stop learning. Keep up the mods and I am glad you are a part of this community. You are going in a good direction. Don't stop modding! You are in the fun stages of your buildup. Keep up the good work.-j

 

[storlied]

I would like to thank you for all your help, I'm very satisfied with all the purchases I've made from you. I'll definitely be coming back for a MAF possibly after I do some research.. [Do you have any information you would like to share about the MAF you sell?] You should get some new products in, more of a selection. =)
Currently, everything is perfect. I'm running the "Fix" tune until I drain my tank down completely. How much of an increase should I see when I go back to my original 90 tune?

Once again, thank you.

 

[jah81592]

You are welcome Daniel. Gains between the two will be minor. I would love to tell you that it would be major but that wouldn't be the truth. There should be a small increase in the "butt dyno" feel but it won't be the sensation you got when you initially purchased the first tune. As far as a MAF, I offer a C&L meter which is 73MM. It will support plenty of hp and torque. If interested email me for pricing and/or a purchase link. As far as needing a Lighting maf or a SCT BA-series meter? It would be definate overkill with minimal gains. Later-j

 

[storlied]

would a bigger maf help my performance much with my current mods? would i have to order a whole new tune?

 

[XLRVIII]

Another thought ....

Since you appear to have an interest in tuning, maybe you should pick up a copy of SCT's book, The Basics of Tuning

If he cant afford nor will spend 50.00 on a "tune file", do you really think he'll fork over 75.00 for a "book"?

sorry for the old post bump but this question begged to be asked.

 

[XLRVIII]

would a bigger maf help my performance much with my current mods? would i have to order a whole new tune?

I offer a C&L meter which is 73MM. It will support plenty of hp and torque.

notice he said will "support" plently of HP and TQ.
he didn't say it would "MAKE" plenty of HP and TQ

maf sensors do not "make" HP or performance.

Larger than stock meters unless NEEDED are a waste of time, money and effort.

 

[CDW6212R]

...Larger than stock meters unless NEEDED are a waste of time, money and effort.

Not exactly. Any and all restrictions cost horsepower, they restrict airflow. Anything which restricts airflow, in, out, or through the engine, they all cost power. It is true that a slightly larger MAF may do virtually nothing.

The key is the tuning, if you do no tuning after a change, then dozens of things changed will achieve nothing. The trick is to identify a significant restriction, improve that, and then retune the PCM for the change. Most people do not reprogram the PCM to take advantage of the improvement.

Yes it can get expensive, that's why it is very important to plan your upgrades. Make all changes possible before reprogramming the PCM. The PCM can work with all little things, but not many big things. Changing the exhaust generally will not require new tuning, but it would help a lot. Changing the MAF generally will require new tuning.

 

[XLRVIII]

I kinda agree in a sense, but my natural argumentative nature forces me to say.

Unless you datalog your stock maf and can verify that you have exceeded it's range, there is zero benefit in putting a larger maf on the vehicle.

now if you can "peg" a stock meter, then by all means step to a larger meter.

but I still wouldn't put a "C&L" meter on even a lawn mower.

For most applications you can find a ford OEM meter that will fit the bill nicey.
LMAF for example.

C&L meter that requires you using the OEM ford sensor is a band-aid.

It lies to the PCM which causes the car to run in different/wrong load cells AND it decreases the low end resolution of the maf transfer function to acheive a higher limit that if isn't needed, only hurts economy and driveablility.

that is my personal experience with C&L backed up via datalogs
the stock meter would be at 4.3-4.5 volts at WOT at 6K
the C&L meter would only be at 3.7-4.0 volts at WOT at 6K

I had to pull the stock sensor out of the stock housing to install it in the C&L so that eliminates any issue with a bad/wrong/inconsistant maf sensor.

you have to ask yourself.. do you REALLY wanna LIE to your PCM?

 

[CDW6212R]

That's two different subjects, a MAF restriction, and recalibrated MAF's. I agree completely about any MAF which sends "calibrated" signals for the purpose of tricking the PCM.

The Lightning MAF is a great 90mm inexpensive MAF, a very good choice for almost any basic upgrades.

The goal should still be airflow, never mind all other factors(sound, the lope, the popular mod etc). Concentrate entirely on airflow, if you want more power, figure out what the biggest restriction is, and get rid of it. Bigger parts do make more power, even if the old part was "adequate." Example, a 2.25" single exhaust pipe is used for all Explorers. Any replacement of any part of the exhaust will make more power, if the PCM is tuned for it. It is possible to go too big for the existing PCM tune. But correct the tune, and the truck will go faster.

Mustang guys swear by a 2.5" dual exhaust, for any smallblock you can name. They basically see the 2.5" duals as a magic size, nothing can be better. They are wrong, 3" duals will make more power, but only if they re tune the PCM, or carburetor if that's what they have.

 

[XLRVIII]

Any replacement of any part of the exhaust will make more power, if the PCM is tuned for it. It is possible to go too big for the existing PCM tune. But correct the tune, and the truck will go faster.

Mustang guys swear by a 2.5" dual exhaust, for any smallblock you can name. They basically see the 2.5" duals as a magic size, nothing can be better. They are wrong, 3" duals will make more power, but only if they re tune the PCM, or carburetor if that's what they have.

you talk about tuning alot, do you do any?
forgive my ignorance, but I dont see MUCH in the PCM that worrys about wether it has 2.25 exhaust or 2.5 inch exhaust.

The only "tuning" changes require for exhaust would be some changes to the transport delay for the 02 sensors if you install headers, no ground breaking power to be had there, that is just making sure the PCM knows "how far away" the 02 sensors are.

can you expound on this "tuning" changes for exhaust that you speak of?

if 2.5 is better than 2.25..and 3.0 is better than 2.5
Tell me what changes I need to make to put a 6 inch pipe on my car, that's GOT to be BETTER right? {from what you post above it would seem so)

now you mention the mustang guys swearing by..blah blah..
That is the typical "monkey see, monkey do" modification process that will get you in trouble.

I went from 2.25 to 2.5 exhaust on my car.. bout the only thing it changed was the car got louder for the most part, I probably picked at .1-.15 on my timeslips.

 

[XLRVIII]

CDW6212R- I wasn't being a smartass with my tuning question.
If your some really smart tuner guy I dont know about, dont get offended.

 

[storlied]

Hey jackass, I had already purchased the tune.. I was looking for some insight into a couple things that were on my mind at the time with the tune. I can't believe you brought a year old thread just to call me a cheapskate, I am not the richest guy here. My mods have to come very slowly, much like others on this site and I can't afford every single resource available. The economy sucks right now, and it's taking it's toll on everyone and everything.

And now look at you, you're sitting here arguing with more people. CDW6212R knows what he's talking about, you keep picking at a different subject than what's being discussed. Quit trying to start ****.